Current Events > Uber self driving car has now killed a pedestrian

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https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Self-Driving-Uber-Vehicle-Fatally-Strikes-Woman-Arizona-477288573.html

Arizona must be glad to have taken this rush job away from SF and by removing all that red tape!

it wouldnt have happened if the pedestrian had a self-driving car too

The vehicle had an operator behind the wheel but was in autonomous mode, according to a news release from Tempe police, meaning it was self-driving at the time.

Sounds like the operator wasn't paying attention. Uber's self-driving cars are still in data-gathering mode. They're not supposed to be operated without the operator paying close attention to what is happening. With hands on the steering wheel in order to take back manual control at any second.

It begins...

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May she rest in peace
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The woman who police said was fatally struck overnight stepped onto Mills Street near the Phoenix Zoo outside of the crosswalk when she was hit,
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s0nicfan posted...

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This movie is so fucking boring.
It's a damn shame too, it had potential to be a so bad it's good
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put a gun on a table and it won't kill anyone

put a car on the road and it will kill someone

really makes you think
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Rubber was one of those movies that was so stupid and pointless, that it made me feel bad after watching it.
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silentwing26x posted...

The vehicle had an operator behind the wheel but was in autonomous mode, according to a news release from Tempe police, meaning it was self-driving at the time.

Sounds like the operator wasn't paying attention. Uber's self-driving cars are still in data-gathering mode. They're not supposed to be operated without the operator paying close attention to what is happening. With hands on the steering wheel in order to take back manual control at any second.

So sounds like the driver messed up then to me if so.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

The woman who police said was fatally struck overnight stepped onto Mills Street near the Phoenix Zoo outside of the crosswalk when she was hit,

People jaywalk all the time and everywhere, the vehicle should be able to react to unexpected pedestrians. Also there was a driver in the car so it's 100% on the driver for not paying attention.
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We need more autonomous car control!
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MorbidFaithless posted...

The woman who police said was fatally struck overnight stepped onto Mills Street near the Phoenix Zoo outside of the crosswalk when she was hit,

Pro tip: youll still get in big trouble hitting a pedestrian outside a crosswalk sweetie

Also other reports she was on a bike so gotta wait and see what the scenario is

So now self driving cars have tasted human blood, just a matter of time now

I hate when people jaywalk when there is a crosswalk just a few feet away from them.

If you don't know how to cross the street without getting hit by a car that isn't speeding..? That's on you lol
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MC_BatCommander posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

The woman who police said was fatally struck overnight stepped onto Mills Street near the Phoenix Zoo outside of the crosswalk when she was hit,

People jaywalk all the time and everywhere, the vehicle should be able to react to unexpected pedestrians. Also there was a driver in the car so it's 100% on the driver for not paying attention.

Also need to consider countries who don't have stupid jaywalking laws and where pedestrians have right of way on the road. Self driving cars absolutely need to be fully aware of people at all times.
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rodu_jr posted...

So now self driving cars have tasted human blood, just a matter of time now

AI has a taste for human blood. Only a matter of time before our nukes are "launched toward the targets of Russia to eliminate its enemies over here".

Its going to be interesting how these types of accidents resolve, human error vs ai error. Whos at fault and is the penalty the same.
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rodu_jr posted...

So now self driving cars have tasted human blood, just a matter of time now

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silentwing26x posted...

The vehicle had an operator behind the wheel but was in autonomous mode, according to a news release from Tempe police, meaning it was self-driving at the time.

Sounds like the operator wasn't paying attention. Uber's self-driving cars are still in data-gathering mode. They're not supposed to be operated without the operator paying close attention to what is happening. With hands on the steering wheel in order to take back manual control at any second.

Forget that she was jaywalking, this is the real issue. That driver is going away for manslaughter.
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I suspect the pedestian stepped out in front of the car while not paying attention.
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s0nicfan posted...

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I think theres also a movie where cars are possessed or gained consciousness and start murdering people. IIRC theres a scene where a lot of people are trapped in a gas station or diner and up the street are cars and cargo trucks lined up and just waiting for someone to come out.
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iPhone_7 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

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I think theres also a movie where cars are possessed or gained consciousness and start murdering people. IIRC theres a scene where a lot of people are trapped in a gas station or diner and up the street are cars and cargo trucks lined up and just waiting for someone to come out.

Maximum Overdrive.

iPhone_7 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

It begins...

I think theres also a movie where cars are possessed or gained consciousness and start murdering people. IIRC theres a scene where a lot of people are trapped in a gas station or diner and up the street are cars and cargo trucks lined up and just waiting for someone to come out.

That was Maximum Overdrive with Emilio Estevez.
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There's also Christine, but that car was possessed.

Now Maximum Overdrive was so bad, it's enjoyable.
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Kitt posted...

Now Maximum Overdrive was so bad, it's enjoyable.

It's an 80s classic.

CruelBuffalo posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

The woman who police said was fatally struck overnight stepped onto Mills Street near the Phoenix Zoo outside of the crosswalk when she was hit,

Pro tip: youll still get in big trouble hitting a pedestrian outside a crosswalk sweetie

Also other reports she was on a bike so gotta wait and see what the scenario is

also if she was on a bike then she likely legally shouldn't be allowed to use the crosswalk, which is for pedestrians
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MorbidFaithless posted...

If you don't know how to cross the street without getting hit by a car that isn't speeding..? That's on you lol

Yeah, obviously its up to the driver to be aware of their surroundings (or the AI) and expect the unexpected, BUT if the car didn't blow a stop then it is kind of on you for not paying attention or just expecting it to slow or stop for you.
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... so a lady stepped in front of the car?
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Kitt posted...

Rubber was one of those movies that was so stupid and pointless, that it made me feel bad after watching it.

Was that the one about the tire that killed people and then it broke the fourth wall? If so, yeah, that was a dumb movie. Decent effects though.
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A real self driving car would detect a pedestrian and slow down. Hell, many vehicles are equip with pedestrian detection now and it automatically slows down when something is in front of them.

Uber's self driving cars are trash and they're in very early stages. Without Waymo's technology, they're stuck with off the shelf LIDAR and poor AI when it comes to object recognition. The guy should never take his eyes off of the road.
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DragonGirlYuki posted...

I suspect the pedestian stepped out in front of the car while not paying attention.

My brother has done that a number of times. Luckily for him, the worst that ever happened was a broken leg.
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If I didn't slow down for pedestrians doing stupid stuff, I'd probably kill someone almost everytime I go out for a drive.
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Ammonitida posted...

Kitt posted...

Now Maximum Overdrive was so bad, it's enjoyable.

It's an 80s classic.

THANK YOU beAmmonitida posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

It begins...

I think theres also a movie where cars are possessed or gained consciousness and start murdering people. IIRC theres a scene where a lot of people are trapped in a gas station or diner and up the street are cars and cargo trucks lined up and just waiting for someone to come out.

Maximum Overdrive.

THANK YOU I had been wondering what the movie was called. remember watching it on tv as a kid

Balrog0 posted...

also if she was on a bike then she likely legally shouldn't be allowed to use the crosswalk, which is for pedestrians

Um....I don't think that's true at all, lol
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eston posted...

Balrog0 posted...

also if she was on a bike then she likely legally shouldn't be allowed to use the crosswalk, which is for pedestrians

Um....I don't think that's true at all, lol

Bikes are still required to cross at intersections, regardless.

Maximum Overdrive is awesome.
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eston posted...

Balrog0 posted...

also if she was on a bike then she likely legally shouldn't be allowed to use the crosswalk, which is for pedestrians

Um....I don't think that's true at all, lol

If you are riding a bike, you are a vehicle and you have to act like a vehicle. Bikers cannot be both or it will confuse drivers and cause accidents.

I almost hit a kid once because the idiot turned right and then bike onto the pedestrian crosswalk. I thought he was turning right so I made my left turn. He should have gone straight across the intersection so there was no confusion. The only time a biker is allowed on the pedestrian crosswalk is if he gets off his bike and push it across the crosswalk.
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eston posted...

Balrog0 posted...

also if she was on a bike then she likely legally shouldn't be allowed to use the crosswalk, which is for pedestrians

Um....I don't think that's true at all, lol

I'm sure the law varies by state and locality, but most places treat bicycles as vehicles legally speaking. I'm sure you see lots of people riding on the sidewalk, just like you see lots of people crossing the street without being at the appropriate time or place, but that is typically illegal regardless of how enforced it is

Questionmarktarius posted...

Bikes are still required to cross at intersections, regardless.

yeah and it says she crossed outside the crosswalk... like, maybe at the intersection itself
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I almost hit a kid once because the idiot turned right and then bike onto the pedestrian crosswalk. I thought he was turning right so I made my left turn. He should have gone straight across the intersection so there was no confusion. The only time a biker is allowed on the pedestrian crosswalk is if he gets off his bike and push it across the crosswalk.

I mean, how many kids actually learn/know these rules/laws?
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Funkydog posted...

I mean, how many kids actually learn/know these rules/laws?

most adults don't know the rules for bicycles, either, as I suspect will shortly be evidenced by this topic
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Balrog0 posted...

yeah and it says she crossed outside the crosswalk... like, maybe at the intersection itself

Okay... that's getting a bit too specific, then.

Funkydog posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I almost hit a kid once because the idiot turned right and then bike onto the pedestrian crosswalk. I thought he was turning right so I made my left turn. He should have gone straight across the intersection so there was no confusion. The only time a biker is allowed on the pedestrian crosswalk is if he gets off his bike and push it across the crosswalk.

I mean, how many kids actually learn/know these rules/laws?

The parents were with him, so the parents should teach him before allowing him to bike alongside with cars.

Bikers need to be more educated but sadly many of them are oblivious to the rules of the road. That's a big problem for drivers if they want to share the road with cars.
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I actually checked and even in places where they allow you to legally ride your bike on the sidewalk they still sometimes make it illegal to use the crosswalk on a bike at certain intersections for exactly these kind of safety reasons I assume:

a. Whenever any person is riding a bicycle upon a sidewalk, such person shall yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian and shall give audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian.

b. It shall be unlawful for any person to ride a bicycle in any pedestrian crosswalk at a signal controlled intersection, adjacent to any school, or one which is under the control of the school crossing guard. At all other intersections the bicyclist shall exercise due caution before entering onto the roadway."
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

eston posted...

Balrog0 posted...

also if she was on a bike then she likely legally shouldn't be allowed to use the crosswalk, which is for pedestrians

Um....I don't think that's true at all, lol

If you are riding a bike, you are a vehicle and you have to act like a vehicle. Bikers cannot be both or it will confuse drivers and cause accidents.

I almost hit a kid once because the idiot turned right and then bike onto the pedestrian crosswalk. I thought he was turning right so I made my left turn. He should have gone straight across the intersection so there was no confusion. The only time a biker is allowed on the pedestrian crosswalk is if he gets off his bike and push it across the crosswalk.

A quick Google search tells me that it is different depending on city or even state, but here in Florida bicycles are indeed allowed to use the crosswalk
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

The parents were with him, so the parents should teach him before allowing him to bike alongside with cars.

Bikers need to be more educated but sadly many of them are oblivious to the rules of the road. That's a big problem for drivers if they want to share the road with cars.

I agree they should, but sadly many just don't.
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