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ZombiePelican 03/12/18 4:10:56 PM #1:	There's literally zero skill involved as a computer decides if you win or lose before you ever draw a card --- https://i.imgur.com/SiKIsHD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/V62ygzP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M0MRS6S.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Lc56ify.jpg <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:897666887] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>There's literally zero skill involved as a computer decides if you win or lose before you ever draw a card</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 03/12/18 4:11:28 PM #2:	this is literally untrue <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:897666913] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>this is literally untrue</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 03/12/18 4:14:03 PM #3:	Fam_Fam posted... this is literally untrue How so? It's a fact. Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards, a digital one has an algorithm decide if you win or lose before a card is ever drawn based on how it distributes your cards --- https://i.imgur.com/SiKIsHD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/V62ygzP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M0MRS6S.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Lc56ify.jpg <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:897667059] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>this is literally untrue</quote> How so? It's a fact. Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards, a digital one has an algorithm decide if you win or lose before a card is ever drawn based on how it distributes your cards</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 03/12/18 4:16:23 PM #4:	ZombiePelican posted... Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards So....you cheat when you play cards. --- http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif http://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:897667197] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote> Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards</quote> So....you cheat when you play cards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 03/12/18 4:17:08 PM #5:	Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards, LMAO <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:897667250] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><quote>Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards, </quote> LMAO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 03/12/18 4:17:41 PM #6:	ZP topic --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:897667286] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>ZP topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 03/12/18 4:17:59 PM #7:	pegusus123456 posted... ZombiePelican posted... Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards So....you cheat when you play cards. No, but how you shuffle your deck can make a major difference between good draws and shitty ones --- https://i.imgur.com/SiKIsHD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/V62ygzP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M0MRS6S.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Lc56ify.jpg <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:897667306] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote> Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards</quote> So....you cheat when you play cards.</quote> No, but how you shuffle your deck can make a major difference between good draws and shitty ones</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 03/12/18 4:19:15 PM #8:	Yeah if you use totally legit strategies like card pairing, not cheating at all... --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:897667393] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>Yeah if you use totally legit strategies like card pairing, not cheating at all...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 03/12/18 4:20:02 PM #9:	Rika_Furude posted... Yeah if you use totally legit strategies like card pairing, not cheating at all... What? --- https://i.imgur.com/SiKIsHD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/V62ygzP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M0MRS6S.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Lc56ify.jpg <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:897667443] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah if you use totally legit strategies like card pairing, not cheating at all...</quote> What?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 03/12/18 4:20:15 PM #10:	I know this is a troll topic, but I should note that even if you and your opponent both knew each other's hands and the order of the decks (let's just assume no shuffles within the game), it wouldn't be clear in most cases who "should" win. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:897667455] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>I know this is a troll topic, but I should note that even if you and your opponent both knew each other's hands and the order of the decks (let's just assume no shuffles within the game), it wouldn't be clear in most cases who "should" win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cleo_II 03/12/18 4:21:25 PM #11:	I kinda got annoyed at Hearthstone for being too RNG focused so I havent been playing it as often as I used to. <cite>Cleo_II posted [p:897667522] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>I kinda got annoyed at Hearthstone for being too RNG focused so I havent been playing it as often as I used to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 03/12/18 4:21:36 PM #12:	ZP flopic --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:897667534] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>ZP flopic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 03/12/18 4:23:57 PM #13:	Anteaterking posted... I know this is a troll topic, ITP: He dared insult my glorified RNG coin flip game MOOOOOOODDDDDDSSSS!!!!!! Anteaterking posted... , it wouldn't be clear in most cases who "should" win. How isn't not clear that these card games are glorified coin flip? Again, before a single card is drawn by either of you, an algorithm decides if you're going to win or lose. --- https://i.imgur.com/SiKIsHD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/V62ygzP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M0MRS6S.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Lc56ify.jpg <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:897667697] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>I know this is a troll topic,</quote> ITP: He dared insult my glorified RNG coin flip game MOOOOOOODDDDDDSSSS!!!!!! <cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>, it wouldn't be clear in most cases who "should" win.</quote> How isn't not clear that these card games are glorified coin flip? Again, before a single card is drawn by either of you, an algorithm decides if you're going to win or lose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
harley2280 03/12/18 4:36:26 PM #14:	ZombiePelican posted... how well you shuffle your cards Bruh. You're that guy the tries to cheat when you shuffle aren't you? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>harley2280 posted [p:897668435] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>how well you shuffle your cards</quote> Bruh. You're that guy the tries to cheat when you shuffle aren't you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 03/12/18 4:37:17 PM #15:	harley2280 posted... ZombiePelican posted... how well you shuffle your cards Bruh. You're that guy the tries to cheat when you shuffle aren't you? Why does everyone assume this? ZombiePelican posted... No, but how you shuffle your deck can make a major difference between good draws and shitty ones --- https://i.imgur.com/SiKIsHD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/V62ygzP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M0MRS6S.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Lc56ify.jpg <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:897668490] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>harley2280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>how well you shuffle your cards</quote> Bruh. You're that guy the tries to cheat when you shuffle aren't you?</quote> Why does everyone assume this? <cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>No, but how you shuffle your deck can make a major difference between good draws and shitty ones</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 03/12/18 4:38:38 PM #16:	Online card games are cheaper and don't take up physical space. Though really there shouldn't be a difference between how often you get good hands if you make your deck well. Unless you are a shitty shuffler. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:897668560] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>Online card games are cheaper and don't take up physical space. Though really there shouldn't be a difference between how often you get good hands if you make your deck well. Unless you are a shitty shuffler.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 03/12/18 4:39:18 PM #17:	ZombiePelican posted... pegusus123456 posted... ZombiePelican posted... Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards So....you cheat when you play cards. No, but how you shuffle your deck can make a major difference between good draws and shitty ones So....you cheat when you play cards. --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:897668604] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote> Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards</quote> So....you cheat when you play cards.</quote> No, but how you shuffle your deck can make a major difference between good draws and shitty ones</quote> So....you cheat when you play cards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 03/12/18 4:39:23 PM #18:	ZombiePelican posted... Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards lmao --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:897668609] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote>Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards</quote> lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fusespliff 03/12/18 4:43:38 PM #19:	ZombiePelican posted... Anteaterking posted... , it wouldn't be clear in most cases who "should" win. How isn't not clear that these card games are glorified coin flip? Again, before a single card is drawn by either of you, an algorithm decides if you're going to win or lose. Anteaterking posted... I should note that even if you and your opponent both knew each other's hands and the order of the decks (let's just assume no shuffles within the game), it wouldn't be clear in most cases who "should" win. --- ... <cite>fusespliff posted [p:897668886] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>, it wouldn't be clear in most cases who "should" win.</quote> How isn't not clear that these card games are glorified coin flip? Again, before a single card is drawn by either of you, an algorithm decides if you're going to win or lose.</quote> <cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>I should note that even if you and your opponent both knew each other's hands and the order of the decks (let's just assume no shuffles within the game), it wouldn't be clear in most cases who "should" win.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenLurker 03/12/18 4:44:23 PM #20:	Fam_Fam posted... this is literally untrue Actually very true. Tried my hand at the dungeon expansion and lost on the final fight (8th fight) cause of RNG every single time. Tell me how is one suppose to fight much less win when I keep getting King Toliwogg as the final fight and he gets the stupid "rod of disintegration" every other turn? For those who do not know what it is it is a 3 cost enemy side only board wipe that also silences so no death activated skills. And of course I am the enemy side. --- [Insert tired meme here] <cite>HiddenLurker posted [p:897668932] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>this is literally untrue</quote> Actually very true. Tried my hand at the dungeon expansion and lost on the final fight (8th fight) cause of RNG every single time. Tell me how is one suppose to fight much less win when I keep getting King Toliwogg as the final fight and he gets the stupid "rod of disintegration" every other turn? For those who do not know what it is it is a 3 cost enemy side only board wipe that also silences so no death activated skills. And of course I am the enemy side.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davyheinz 03/12/18 4:46:33 PM #21:	Oh, TC. Youre such a joker. --- Currently playing: Breath of the Wild, Xenoblade Chronicles, Super Mario Galaxy, The Saboteur <cite>davyheinz posted [p:897669082] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>Oh, TC. Youre such a joker.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 03/12/18 4:55:28 PM #22:	HiddenLurker posted... Fam_Fam posted... this is literally untrue Actually very true. Tried my hand at the dungeon expansion and lost on the final fight (8th fight) cause of RNG every single time. Tell me how is one suppose to fight much less win when I keep getting King Toliwogg as the final fight and he gets the stupid "rod of disintegration" every other turn? For those who do not know what it is it is a 3 cost enemy side only board wipe that also silences so no death activated skills. And of course I am the enemy side. Rod of disintegration is like his weakest spell? Maybe you just arent that good. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:897669635] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote> this is literally untrue</quote> Actually very true. Tried my hand at the dungeon expansion and lost on the final fight (8th fight) cause of RNG every single time. Tell me how is one suppose to fight much less win when I keep getting King Toliwogg as the final fight and he gets the stupid "rod of disintegration" every other turn? For those who do not know what it is it is a 3 cost enemy side only board wipe that also silences so no death activated skills. And of course I am the enemy side.</quote> Rod of disintegration is like his weakest spell? Maybe you just arent that good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GATTJT 03/12/18 6:17:12 PM #23:	I'll never understand the appeal of welching on an account bet like TC did. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/gamerfanfan/wishlist <cite>GATTJT posted [p:897674821] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>I'll never understand the appeal of welching on an account bet like TC did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenLurker 03/12/18 8:47:40 PM #24:	Rika_Furude posted... HiddenLurker posted... Fam_Fam posted... this is literally untrue Actually very true. Tried my hand at the dungeon expansion and lost on the final fight (8th fight) cause of RNG every single time. Tell me how is one suppose to fight much less win when I keep getting King Toliwogg as the final fight and he gets the stupid "rod of disintegration" every other turn? For those who do not know what it is it is a 3 cost enemy side only board wipe that also silences so no death activated skills. And of course I am the enemy side. Rod of disintegration is like his weakest spell? Maybe you just arent that good. What crawled up your ass and died? --- [Insert tired meme here] <cite>HiddenLurker posted [p:897684476] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote> this is literally untrue</quote> Actually very true. Tried my hand at the dungeon expansion and lost on the final fight (8th fight) cause of RNG every single time. Tell me how is one suppose to fight much less win when I keep getting King Toliwogg as the final fight and he gets the stupid "rod of disintegration" every other turn? For those who do not know what it is it is a 3 cost enemy side only board wipe that also silences so no death activated skills. And of course I am the enemy side.</quote> Rod of disintegration is like his weakest spell? Maybe you just arent that good.</quote> What crawled up your ass and died?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PhazonReborn 03/12/18 8:48:16 PM #25:	I agree TC. I don't get it. --- The Phazon you know and trust since 2004 Steam ID: AncientToaster / PSN ID: LiteralToaster <cite>PhazonReborn posted [p:897684503] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>I agree TC. I don't get it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGreatGenocet 03/12/18 8:49:06 PM #26:	Hearthstone sucks but not for the reasons TC listed. It sucks because you have to spend a lot of money to be remotely competitive. --- Alt of Genocet_10-325 Conservatism is a plague on society. <cite>TheGreatGenocet posted [p:897684560] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>Hearthstone sucks but not for the reasons TC listed. It sucks because you have to spend a lot of money to be remotely competitive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XXHornDogXX 03/12/18 8:51:48 PM #27:	There's skill to shuffling cards? Sounds a lot like stacking aka cheating to me... <cite>XXHornDogXX posted [p:897684735] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>There's skill to shuffling cards? Sounds a lot like stacking aka cheating to me...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
harley2280 03/12/18 11:04:21 PM #28:	XXHornDogXX posted... There's skill to shuffling cards? Sounds a lot like stacking aka cheating to me... That's exactly what it is. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>harley2280 posted [p:897693340] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>XXHornDogXX posted...</cite> <quote>There's skill to shuffling cards? Sounds a lot like stacking aka cheating to me...</quote> That's exactly what it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 03/12/18 11:10:05 PM #29:	ZombiePelican posted... pegusus123456 posted... ZombiePelican posted... Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards So....you cheat when you play cards. No, but how you shuffle your deck can make a major difference between good draws and shitty ones the harder you press the button the longer the RNG goes so you can influence the shuffle checkmate --- Playing: Shadow of the Colossus (PS4), Owlboy (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:897693681] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pegusus123456 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZombiePelican posted...</cite> <quote> Unlike with a physical card game that relies on skill and how well you shuffle your cards</quote> So....you cheat when you play cards.</quote> No, but how you shuffle your deck can make a major difference between good draws and shitty ones</quote> the harder you press the button the longer the RNG goes so you can influence the shuffle checkmate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The-Vault-of-CE 03/12/18 11:19:11 PM #30:	saved --- We will never forget. <cite>The-Vault-of-CE posted [p:897694242] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>saved</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 03/13/18 7:18:28 AM #31:	HiddenLurker posted... Rika_Furude posted... HiddenLurker posted... Fam_Fam posted... this is literally untrue Actually very true. Tried my hand at the dungeon expansion and lost on the final fight (8th fight) cause of RNG every single time. Tell me how is one suppose to fight much less win when I keep getting King Toliwogg as the final fight and he gets the stupid "rod of disintegration" every other turn? For those who do not know what it is it is a 3 cost enemy side only board wipe that also silences so no death activated skills. And of course I am the enemy side. Rod of disintegration is like his weakest spell? Maybe you just arent that good. What crawled up your ass and died? why are you treating me like such an ass? what did i ever do to you? why do you act this way to everyone? --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:897707665] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HiddenLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote> this is literally untrue</quote> Actually very true. Tried my hand at the dungeon expansion and lost on the final fight (8th fight) cause of RNG every single time. Tell me how is one suppose to fight much less win when I keep getting King Toliwogg as the final fight and he gets the stupid "rod of disintegration" every other turn? For those who do not know what it is it is a 3 cost enemy side only board wipe that also silences so no death activated skills. And of course I am the enemy side.</quote> Rod of disintegration is like his weakest spell? Maybe you just arent that good.</quote> What crawled up your ass and died?</quote> why are you treating me like such an ass? what did i ever do to you? why do you act this way to everyone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 03/13/18 7:31:01 AM #32:	the assumption here is that games play out the same way based on the cards you draw, which is untrue good players can make reads that change their plays in ways that increase their chance to win. its a LOT of RNG, but there are decisions to be made that can usually change the outcome source: someone who played lots of hearthstone and lost a lot in matches I should have won, but wasn't good enough to make the right decisions <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:897707913] in I'll never... [t:76408517]...</cite> <quote>the assumption here is that games play out the same way based on the cards you draw, which is untrue good players can make reads that change their plays in ways that increase their chance to win. its a LOT of RNG, but there are decisions to be made that can usually change the outcome source: someone who played lots of hearthstone and lost a lot in matches I should have won, but wasn't good enough to make the right decisions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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