Current Events > Stormy Daniels offers to return the $130k hush money

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/stormy-daniels-payment-return/index.html

I believe several people were saying she should do this yesterday

There you go
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White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said last week that "arbitration was won in the President's favor" regarding the case. The statement is an admission that the nondisclosure agreement exists and that it directly involves Trump. It was the first time the White House had admitted the President was involved in any way with Clifford.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLO

The exchange would allow Clifford to speak publicly about her allegations of an affair with Trump, and according to the letter "use and publish any text messages, photos and/or videos relating to the President that she may have in her possession, all without fear of retribution and/or legal liability for damages." By sending the money to Trump, it would involve the President -- who has never acknowledged the agreement or the affair -- in the case.

OMG what if she has picture of him in his tighty whities, or maybe an audio recording in which hes calling her Ivanka during intercourse.
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lol
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I can't believe it, it's actually going to happen.
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Welp, wonder how cheeto lips will back this one up.
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party of "family values" lmao

CiIantro posted...

party of "family values" lmao

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it's habbeding
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What a time to be alive.
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Why the hell did it take 12 hours for this topic to get attention >_>
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Would that void the agreement?

YoungMan posted...

Would that void the agreement?

Yes.

She's also challenging it in court, but that's a different ball game too because it's anonymous/used pseudonyms too. So either Trump admits the person is him and he cheated on his wife multiple times with a porn star, or he denies it and she and her lawyer argue that this makes the agreement invalid (because it's anonymous and if he denies it's him then it must be someone else) and she can talk.
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Lol
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imagine paying 130k to bang stormy daniels.

thank God Instagram exists. it's way easier to find pretty girls now
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I don't think that is how it works. You can't renege on deals once you see a chance art more money. I don't really care either way though. Consensual sex with a porn star isn't the worst thing a president has done. Hell, he probably isn't the first to do it.
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Basically
If he declines the money it means that he is trying to keep the money with her to keep her silenced, and also verifies that she isn't doing this for money

And if he accepts then whatever she has will be made public but it would still confirm he ever gave her money

What's more, if he never signed the NDA then by declining it, it's likely she will still be able to speak and release whatever she may have

This is the greatest sort of gambit, she has nothing to lose but in either event she gains everything while Trump cannot make a good move. Other people with lawyers on retainer may be able to make better moves. But there's no good moves available that trump would actually be able to commit to and pull off.

What's more, depending on what he's said on record and the like? It may add to the Mueller charges he will eventually be hammered with. Because it'll take several distinct charges to take him down.
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GuyCarlPeterson posted...

I don't think that is how it works. You can't renege on deals once you see a chance art more money. I don't really care either way though. Consensual sex with a porn star isn't the worst thing a president has done. Hell, he probably isn't the first to do it.

If trump violated the terms or never signed the agreement then it was never valid. So this is a way to speed up getting it voided outright, rather than the legal battle that will likely favor her side and get her out of the contract as trump's own lawyer fucked up.
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@whitelytning
what's ur opinion on this?
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gunplagirl posted...

so verifies that she isn't doing this for money

What? If she is allowed to go on shows, do interviews, bill herself as the porn star who banged a president and write a book then she stands to make much more money than she got from the NDA.
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I'm curious as to how she has $130k in cash this many years later. Did she see a lot of revenue lately due to increased fame? I wouldn't think many people in her industry would budget well enough to hold on to cash like this.

Edit: Oh, yeah: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/10/politics/stormy-daniels-interview/index.html
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GuyCarlPeterson posted...

gunplagirl posted...

so verifies that she isn't doing this for money

What? If she is allowed to go on shows, do interviews, bill herself as the porn star who banged a president and write a book then she stands to make much more money than she got from the NDA.

The NDA is considered to be money that she's received. By accepting it, she could be considered to have only done so for the money.
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foreveraIone posted...

imagine paying 130k to bang stormy daniels.

thank God Instagram exists. it's way easier to find pretty girls now

Imagine paying 130k to bang anyone.
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gunplagirl posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

gunplagirl posted...

so verifies that she isn't doing this for money

What? If she is allowed to go on shows, do interviews, bill herself as the porn star who banged a president and write a book then she stands to make much more money than she got from the NDA.

The NDA is considered to be money that she's received. By accepting it, she could be considered to have only done so for the money.

Yeah but returning it doesn't mean much when she will make much more money being able to milk the story.
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Does it matter if she's doing it for the money?

She literally has the guy by the balls and not in a good way.
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GuyCarlPeterson posted...

gunplagirl posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

gunplagirl posted...

so verifies that she isn't doing this for money

What? If she is allowed to go on shows, do interviews, bill herself as the porn star who banged a president and write a book then she stands to make much more money than she got from the NDA.

The NDA is considered to be money that she's received. By accepting it, she could be considered to have only done so for the money.

Yeah but returning it doesn't mean much when she will make much more money being able to milk the story.

Au contraire, she would have TV interviews regardless. But do you think Trump would turn down the chance at easy money? If he has nothing to hide then he should accept the deal.

But if he did have a NDA then he must have been hiding something.

And if he declines it and the money, it signifies he was hiding something and doesn't want her to talk.

In any circumstance, she isn't doing this for money but for the right to speak.

Any money that she may make in the process? She isn't going to give up $130k if she was only wanting to speak for money. Especially since the time it would take for any such book to make her as much money is far enough off in the future that it would not be worth it, given how fast the proceedings will go should he decline.
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Swampthing1138 posted...

foreveraIone posted...

imagine paying 130k to bang stormy daniels.

thank God Instagram exists. it's way easier to find pretty girls now

Imagine paying 130k to bang anyone.

tbf I think it was 130k to be sex buddies and not a one time thing. if I were as rich as Trump I would certainly be paying certain girls that much
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I'm curious as to how she has $130k in cash this many years later. Did she see a lot of revenue lately due to increased fame? I wouldn't think many people in her industry would budget well enough to hold on to cash like this.

Edit: Oh, yeah: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/10/politics/stormy-daniels-interview/index.html

Because the payment was only in October 2016, and allegedly made by his lawyer, using his lawyer's own money, on behalf of his campaign. That's why there's arguments it violated election law.
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foreveraIone posted...

Swampthing1138 posted...

foreveraIone posted...

imagine paying 130k to bang stormy daniels.

thank God Instagram exists. it's way easier to find pretty girls now

Imagine paying 130k to bang anyone.

tbf I think it was 130k to be sex buddies and not a one time thing. if I were as rich as Trump I would certainly be paying certain girls that much

The $130k was for her silence, almost 10 years after things ended. If he paid her for the sex that was a completely different payment.
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Also, there's plenty of porn stars and starlets with houses that cost hundreds of thousands. Just depends on their ability to profit and run their own websites and whatnot.
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What's funny is if he'd never paid her in the first place he could have just denied it like he does everything else
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Bio1590 posted...

YoungMan posted...

Would that void the agreement?

Yes.

She's also challenging it in court, but that's a different ball game too because it's anonymous/used pseudonyms too. So either Trump admits the person is him and he cheated on his wife multiple times with a porn star, or he denies it and she and her lawyer argue that this makes the agreement invalid (because it's anonymous and if he denies it's him then it must be someone else) and she can talk.

Trump legit was check-mated by a goddamn pornstar.
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gunplagirl posted...

Also, there's plenty of porn stars and starlets with houses that cost hundreds of thousands.

That's why they end up broke

But I forgot the payment was in 2016 and not 10 years ago
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Shes gonna get sued into oblivion
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Doubt she has the money
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Also, there's plenty of porn stars and starlets with houses that cost hundreds of thousands.

That's why they end up broke

But I forgot the payment was in 2016 and not 10 years ago

That's not why they end up broke.

Most porn stars are broke regardless but it supplements their income until they either can get things working and can stop working in the industry, they simply cannot handle the burdens the industry entails or else they become successful enough it can be their primary source of income.
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Irony posted...

Doubt she has the money

With how much her lawyer (look at his credentials and cases) is going to cost? Money is no issue.
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gunplagirl posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

gunplagirl posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

gunplagirl posted...

so verifies that she isn't doing this for money

What? If she is allowed to go on shows, do interviews, bill herself as the porn star who banged a president and write a book then she stands to make much more money than she got from the NDA.

The NDA is considered to be money that she's received. By accepting it, she could be considered to have only done so for the money.

Yeah but returning it doesn't mean much when she will make much more money being able to milk the story.

Au contraire, she would have TV interviews regardless. But do you think Trump would turn down the chance at easy money? If he has nothing to hide then he should accept the deal.

But if he did have a NDA then he must have been hiding something.

And if he declines it and the money, it signifies he was hiding something and doesn't want her to talk.

In any circumstance, she isn't doing this for money but for the right to speak.

Any money that she may make in the process? She isn't going to give up $130k if she was only wanting to speak for money. Especially since the time it would take for any such book to make her as much money is far enough off in the future that it would not be worth it, given how fast the proceedings will go should he decline.

Oh i thought you meant Stormy doesn't care about the money. Like she had a noble cause or something. Wait nvm.
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KingCrabCake posted...

Shes gonna get sued into oblivion

For what? That would require Trump to admit that this entire thing is true first.
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Trump/Lawyer broke election finance laws and also broke the agreement or it wasnt even valid to begin with.

However, since we learned about the nondisclosure agreement in January, Trump and Cohen have been sinking in legal quicksand.

1. Lawyer set up a limited liability company to make the payment. Used pseudonyms for both parties but put his real name on the documents and used his Trump Organization email to set up a wire transfer.

2. A government watchdog group filed complaints alleging that the payment constituted a campaign-finance violation. In response, Cohen announced the $130,000 came out of his own pocket, though that doesnt mean it wasnt illegal.

3. Stormy Daniels then sued Trump, alleging that the entire nondisclosure agreement is invalid because Trump never signed it or because Cohen violated the terms by discussing it publicly.

4. Stormy also accused Cohen of using intimidation and coercive tactics to force her to sign a false statement denying the affair.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/trump-values-michael-cohens-loyalty-more-than-his-lawyering.html

Of course the Trumpanzees are ignoring this. Fake Noos!
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I dunno about you guys but I really don't wanna see Little Donny
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Vyrulisse posted...

I dunno about you guys but I really don't wanna see Little Donny

Fake News.

Everyone wants to see BIG Donny.
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foreveraIone posted...

@whitelytning
what's ur opinion on this?

From a pure legal POV the two parties entered into a contract (ignoring the arguement about Trump signing it or not) where she would keep quiet and receive $ for doing so. The K also allegedly included a penalty if she breaches which she would be subject to.

Her saying I'll pay you the money back is just an offer for a new K or modification of the old contract and nothing else until accepted. Without an option to do that in the original K it has no impact on anything.

I haven't paid attention to this story beyond googling Daniel's and watching one of her vids so I don't know much. I don't doubt that it happened though.

I find the timing of this story to be interesting. She is suing him to void the K so why even make this offer now? She also knows he won't accept so it's kind of a BS offer anyway.

I'm also surprised someone hasn't offered to just pay whatever penalty is associated with her disclosing what happened and keeping rights to the interview.

I think we will find out her side of the story in one way or another eventually though.
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