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KingCrabCake
03/10/18 6:51:24 PM
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Tmaster148
03/10/18 6:51:46 PM
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You didn't even attack the argument I was making and now you think i'm running away? Could you be anymore of a joke?
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ToonLinkWithGun
03/10/18 6:52:24 PM
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byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
A lot of ignorance in the topic.

Yeah especially this post:
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Yet we put guns in the hands of 18 year olds in our military...

Since then are facts ignorant?

Since 18 year olds receive rigorous training provided by the government.

Training doesn't determine whether or not you'll snap and start killing people.
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Funbazooka
03/10/18 6:54:17 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
https://www.semissourian.com/story/1554240.html

@Tmaster148
@DezDroppedFreak (you admitted you were a gimmick but just in case)
@JustMonika

Yes a gun is the best self defense tool on the market


I like how you think my argument is that guns are not a good defense tool. Maybe get reading comprehension first.


Where did i say you said? Practice what you preach..

I'm pointing out its the best defense tool...so that's why it should be legally available to all adults


I'm not a teacher who is going to try to teach you to read. Figure that out on your own.


Exactly. Tuck and run

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ToonLinkWithGun
03/10/18 6:54:18 PM
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byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
A lot of ignorance in the topic.

Yeah especially this post:
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Yet we put guns in the hands of 18 year olds in our military...

Since then are facts ignorant?

Since 18 year olds receive rigorous training provided by the government.

Training doesn't determine whether or not you'll snap and start killing people.

It determines that they know how to use a gun and aren't as likely to accidentally shoot themselves or other people.

We're talking about kids intentionally killing others. If you want to talk about accidental shootings that's a whole different issue.
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KingCrabCake
03/10/18 6:57:03 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
You didn't even attack the argument I was making and now you think i'm running away? Could you be anymore of a joke?


Can you stop crying dude. Seriously get a hold of yourself.

All I'm saying is that guns are the best self defense tool on the market.

Step your reading game up


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Tmaster148
03/10/18 6:58:41 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
You didn't even attack the argument I was making and now you think i'm running away? Could you be anymore of a joke?


Can you stop crying dude. Seriously get a hold of yourself.

All I'm saying is that guns are the best self defense tool on the market.

Step your reading game up



Yes. Which was not the point I was making in this topic. Considering you @'d me meant you thought somehow posting that was going to shut down my argument.

I mean you could go back up and read what was posted and actually figure out what my point was, but I know you won't do that.
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ToonLinkWithGun
03/10/18 7:00:45 PM
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byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...

We're talking about kids intentionally killing others. If you want to talk about accidental shootings that's a whole different issue.

No we're talking about raising the age limit to purchase guns. And which you ignorantly compared an 18 year old trained person in the military to an 18 year old civilian.

So then what is the correlation between training and murder?
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DezDroppedFreak
03/10/18 7:01:15 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
https://www.semissourian.com/story/1554240.html

Tmaster148
DezDroppedFreak (you admitted you were a gimmick but just in case)
JustMonika

Yes a gun is the best self defense tool on the market

Gotta be fake news - it's an asinine scenario!


Literally where did I say a gun CAN'T be used in self defense

Also when did I say I was a gimmick? If you're talking about those topics where I posted sensationalist titles and an Always Sunny clip then yeah that was a joke. I'm not a gimmick
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KingCrabCake
03/10/18 7:01:24 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun
03/10/18 7:05:15 PM
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byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...

We're talking about kids intentionally killing others. If you want to talk about accidental shootings that's a whole different issue.

No we're talking about raising the age limit to purchase guns. And which you ignorantly compared an 18 year old trained person in the military to an 18 year old civilian.

So then what is the correlation between training and murder?

How is that relevant to what I'm saying right now? You said you didn't think it was right that people can serve in the military at 18 but not purchase a gun. I said they receive training so that's obviously different. Now you're moving the goalposts

I didn't say they couldn't. You all are saying 18 year ADULTS (not children) shouldn't be allowed to buy a firearm but at the same time it's okay to send a 17 year old to the military to be trained how to use a gun. So I ask you, is lack of training making 18-20 year olds intentionally murder people?
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Offworlder1
03/10/18 7:07:26 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
http://people.com/human-interest/teen-shoots-intruder-with-moms-handgun/


Mom should have trained him to use the gun, he did use it effectively but proper training would have helped him do even better.

Glad that kid was ok though, shame he had to deal with that shit.
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Bio1590
03/10/18 7:09:10 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
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Guns aren't basic rights either lol

This like wtf at calling gun ownership a basic human right

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_and_political_rights

First-generation rights

First-generation rights, often called "purple" rights, deal essentially with liberty and participation in political life. They are fundamentally civil and political in nature, as well as strongly individualistic: They serve negatively to protect the individual from excesses of the state. First-generation rights include, among other things, freedom of speech, the right to a fair trial, (in some countries) the right to keep and bear arms, freedom of religion and voting rights. They were pioneered in the United States by the Bill of Rights and in France by the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen in the 18th century, although some of these rights and the right to due process date back to the Magna Carta of 1215 and the Rights of Englishmen, which were expressed in the English Bill of Rights in 1689.

They were enshrined at the global level and given status in international law first by Articles 3 to 21 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights and later in the 1966 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. In Europe, they were enshrined in the European Convention on Human Rights in 1953.

The civil rights movement was a struggle struggle for social justice that took place mainly during the 1950s and 1960s for blacks to gain equal rights under the law in the United States. Edit two: In 1868, the 14th amendment to the constitution gave blacks equal protection under the law. In the 1960s, Americans who knew only the potential of "equal protection of the laws" expected the president, the Congress, and the courts to fulfill the promise of the 14th Amendment.

The right to keep and bear arms is not enshrined in the UDHR.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/10/18 7:14:01 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...

We're talking about kids intentionally killing others. If you want to talk about accidental shootings that's a whole different issue.

No we're talking about raising the age limit to purchase guns. And which you ignorantly compared an 18 year old trained person in the military to an 18 year old civilian.

So then what is the correlation between training and murder?


I'm more interested in the correlation between training and all gun-related fatalities, as well as how age correlates to the latter. I am actually legit curious about this and have not looked up statistics.
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ToonLinkWithGun
03/10/18 7:25:34 PM
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byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...

We're talking about kids intentionally killing others. If you want to talk about accidental shootings that's a whole different issue.

No we're talking about raising the age limit to purchase guns. And which you ignorantly compared an 18 year old trained person in the military to an 18 year old civilian.

So then what is the correlation between training and murder?

How is that relevant to what I'm saying right now? You said you didn't think it was right that people can serve in the military at 18 but not purchase a gun. I said they receive training so that's obviously different. Now you're moving the goalposts

I didn't say they couldn't. You all are saying 18 year ADULTS (not children) shouldn't be allowed to buy a firearm but at the same time it's okay to send a 17 year old to the military to be trained how to use a gun. So I ask you, is lack of training making 18-20 year olds intentionally murder people?

How is that question relevant? Where in the headline that you responded to does it talk about murder? People in the military receive training. Raising the age of being able to purchase a gun gives more time to receive training and makes someone less likely to injure themselves or others

Except you don't have to receive training at any point until you turn 21. So the issue, according to your own words, is not age. It's training. So why throw a fit about age if you believe training solves the issue?
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ToonLinkWithGun
03/10/18 7:31:21 PM
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byron posted...
People mature as they age. Do you disagree with that? Which makes them less likely to fool around and do dumb shit.

By this logic we shouldn't have 17 to 18 year old in the military.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/10/18 7:36:19 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
People mature as they age. Do you disagree with that? Which makes them less likely to fool around and do dumb shit.

By this logic we shouldn't have 17 to 18 year old in the military.


Do we need to? I honestly have no opinion on that matter at all. I just don't really know the arguments for why it should be necessary for anyone that young to be able to enlist.
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Dark_Spiret
03/10/18 7:38:02 PM
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fuck it. make it 25. booze, voting, military service, guns, all of it. people are too goddamn stupid for anything.
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ViralMoose
03/10/18 7:38:12 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Do we need to? I honestly have no opinion on that matter at all. I just don't really know the arguments for why it should be necessary for anyone that young to be able to enlist.

Well why shouldn't they be allowed to, 18 year-olds are basically in their prime shape and people younger than 18 can handle guns fine and part of the benefits of enlistment are for education. What use is getting college benefits to a person who may have already been in college for 3 years?
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darkjedilink
03/10/18 7:47:18 PM
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byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
A lot of ignorance in the topic.

Yeah especially this post:
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Yet we put guns in the hands of 18 year olds in our military...

Since then are facts ignorant?

Since 18 year olds receive rigorous training provided by the government.

Lol.
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ToonLinkWithGun
03/10/18 7:51:14 PM
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byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
People mature as they age. Do you disagree with that? Which makes them less likely to fool around and do dumb shit.

By this logic we shouldn't have 17 to 18 year old in the military.

How does that make sense? You're making the same kind of ignorant post that you did initially. People mature as they age. But people who receive specific training are more knowledgeable and prepared than people who don't.

Those directly contradict each other. If training shows maturity then why not instead of raising the age just require a week or two of training? What the fuck
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ToonLinkWithGun
03/10/18 9:10:21 PM
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byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
byron posted...
People mature as they age. Do you disagree with that? Which makes them less likely to fool around and do dumb shit.

By this logic we shouldn't have 17 to 18 year old in the military.

How does that make sense? You're making the same kind of ignorant post that you did initially. People mature as they age. But people who receive specific training are more knowledgeable and prepared than people who don't.

Those directly contradict each other. If training shows maturity then why not instead of raising the age just require a week or two of training? What the fuck

Explain how those things directly contradict each other.

You say people nature as they age but if receive training you're knowledgeable and prepared. So again I ask, instead of raising the age why not just require a couple weeks of training? Stop dodging.
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ViralMoose
03/10/18 9:13:12 PM
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byron posted...
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
You say people nature as they age but if receive training you're knowledgeable and prepared. So again I ask, instead of raising the age why not just require a couple weeks of training? Stop dodging.

lmao, I'm the one that is dodging?

You didn't explain how those things "directly contradict each other."

Why don't you stop dodging and explain how they contradict?

Can we start with how there's no reason to expect that an 18 year-old can't be mature enough to handle a firearm?
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GuyCarlPeterson
03/10/18 9:14:18 PM
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Preventing children from buying guns is a bad thing
- The NRA

Yet we put guns in the hands of 18 year olds in our military...

Took the words out of my mouth and made sweet love to them.
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Rika_Furude
03/10/18 9:14:26 PM
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why is america so opposed to doing literally ANYTHING to help the gun crisis?
does america not even care about school shootings and mass shootings?
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ViralMoose
03/10/18 9:18:13 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
why is america so opposed to doing literally ANYTHING to help the gun crisis?

The things often touted to be able to help the "gun crisis" wouldn't do that. Cruz for instance passed his background check when according to the law, he shouldn't have been able to. Thanks to the incompetence in the local PD and the FBI, he was able to. So what we know from this is that laws mean nothing if we can't enforce them. Rather than make new laws that will also not be enforced, how about we focus on enforcing the laws that are already in place?
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KingCrabCake
03/10/18 9:18:35 PM
#188:


Rika_Furude posted...
why is america so opposed to doing literally ANYTHING to help the gun crisis?
does america not even care about school shootings and mass shootings?


Why are you so opposed to lying?
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Offworlder1
03/10/18 9:19:47 PM
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@Rika_Furude

Guns are not the problem, the poeple, and a lack of social interaction is for a lot of these nut cases.

If you actually looked into the history of these shootings these guns were around for over 30 years before these school shooters and shooters in general became a big issue.

The people are the problem, something is wrong with them mentally, there are way too many shut ins, people are not as social nor do they have a sense of community ties anymore.
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KingCrabCake
03/10/18 9:32:09 PM
#191:


byron posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
why is america so opposed to doing literally ANYTHING to help the gun crisis?
does america not even care about school shootings and mass shootings?


Why are you so opposed to lying?

Probably because he thinks lying is bad.

Lmfao toucheee
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Bad_Mojo
03/10/18 9:34:06 PM
#192:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Preventing children from buying guns is a bad thing
- The NRA


18 is an adult, by the law
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KingCrabCake
03/10/18 9:52:12 PM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Preventing children from buying guns is a bad thing
- The NRA


18 is an adult, by the law

Dude its Darklit he takes the exact opposite stance on all logical stances
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Rika_Furude
03/10/18 9:53:37 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
@Rika_Furude

Guns are not the problem, the poeple, and a lack of social interaction is for a lot of these nut cases.

If you actually looked into the history of these shootings these guns were around for over 30 years before these school shooters and shooters in general became a big issue.

The people are the problem, something is wrong with them mentally, there are way too many shut ins, people are not as social nor do they have a sense of community ties anymore.

ease of access to guns is definitely a problem which can easily be resolved. yes, something needs to be done about the mental state of these types of people, but that doesn't mean you cant also restrict gun access
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Bad_Mojo
03/10/18 10:02:25 PM
#195:


KingCrabCake posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Preventing children from buying guns is a bad thing
- The NRA


18 is an adult, by the law

Dude its Darklit he takes the exact opposite stance on all logical stances


What's illogical at me saying the truth that 18 year olds are legally adults?
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Resolution
03/10/18 10:04:42 PM
#196:


Bad_Mojo posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Bad_Mojo posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Preventing children from buying guns is a bad thing
- The NRA


18 is an adult, by the law

Dude its Darklit he takes the exact opposite stance on all logical stances


What's illogical at me saying the truth that 18 year olds are legally adults?


Is your name Darklit?
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Bad_Mojo
03/10/18 10:13:32 PM
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Resolution posted...
Is your name Darklit?


Oh, is that the TC? Nope, but I thought you were saying I was Darklit's alt or something, lol. Never mind.
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ViralMoose
03/10/18 10:37:45 PM
#198:


Rika_Furude posted...
ease of access to guns is definitely a problem which can easily be resolved. yes, something needs to be done about the mental state of these types of people, but that doesn't mean you cant also restrict gun access

Access to guns was supposed to be restricted for the shooter. The reason he wasn't had nothing to do with the right laws not being in place, but because the authorities didn't enforce the law.
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cjsdowg
03/10/18 11:58:11 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
@Tmaster148

What do you expect people to defend themselves with against a violent attacker ??


With out even getting into other guns..

You have tazers , mace , bats, and then like I said in my last post to.you have a hella lot of other types of guns that you can get.

If you need an AR-15 who do you think is coming for you?
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darkjedilink
03/11/18 12:15:47 AM
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cjsdowg posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
@Tmaster148

What do you expect people to defend themselves with against a violent attacker ??

With out even getting into other guns..

You have tazers , mace , bats, and then like I said in my last post to.you have a hella lot of other types of guns that you can get.

If you need an AR-15 who do you think is coming for you?

I've been tazed, with no effect. Mace isn't anywhere near 100% effective. Most people can't swing a bat defensively. There is legislation RIGHT NOW making those guns illegal.

As for who's coming for someone, the most common threat is a gangbanger armed with illegally-obtained fully-automatic weapons.
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