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sLaCkEr408___RJ
03/09/18 3:21:04 PM
#51:


thanosibe posted...
sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
thanosibe posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
thanosibe posted...
Brawl is literally the only entertaining entry to date in the Smash series.

How can anyone say this?

It's floaty, and has very little hitstun and combo potential, and you can just use Metaknight to literally never lose a single fight.

It's boring to both play and watch.

Anyone who says this can't git gud enough to play a real smash game

Also, fucking TRIPPING
Fighting games in general are boring af. Same shit different stage. So Smash is no different than any other fighting franchise. But once a while things get changed up and Brawl and Soul Calibur 2 are about the few I found that offer something other than "arcade" mode. Brawl's story mode was like playing a beat em up with Smash characters. SC2 offer to hone skills and test your brain rather than just one mindless fight after another than usually be accomplished with button mashing.

It might also be that I don't take this shit that seriously, and want enjoy it. Not get an aneurysm because someone's character's hit box isn't to my liking.

Tripping was bad though.

Sounds like you just don't understand fighting games.
Across like 5 generations of gaming I probably own 12 fighting games on different consoles and have played more. Arcades were still big in the 80's and 90's and I frequented them a lot. I 100% understand fighting games. That understanding is the exact reason why I don't play a lot of fighting games.

Then you should understand that fighting games are far from mindless, especially above the casual level. Fighting games are the chess of video games. Mind games + reaction/execution. The fun part is using the tools you are given to stay ahead of your opponent.

Each subgenre and each game with different mechanics all offer to switch up those tools.
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A5modeu5
03/09/18 3:49:01 PM
#52:


Smash 4 is the best for casual multiplayer party fun.
Melee is the best at a competitive level

Brawl sucks
64 is really clunky but is at least somewhat balanced.
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Spidey5
03/09/18 4:32:37 PM
#54:


BigTee66 posted...
To me, Smash 4 was a huge downgrade in the single player department

Agreed. I put hundreds of hours in the other games. But I only played smash 4 once. Or maybe i just got sick of the series. I dunno.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ
03/09/18 6:14:42 PM
#55:


RedWhiteBlue posted...
I seriously don't get how anyone is, and apparently everyone is, shitting all over Brawl. It had so many fun modes, a great roster, and didn't fuck over a player for getting hit once against a professional combo player who basically wants to stunlock to win. Melee had excellent gameplay, though, but it's missing all the extra shit Brawl added. Melee fights are also enjoyable to watch and spontaneous.

I suppose the vocal fans are of the competitive nature. They really are the ones who will play the game way after it's intended lifespan as long as the gameplay offers constant challenge and ways to improve.
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Darklit_Minuet
03/09/18 7:04:56 PM
#56:


RedWhiteBlue posted...
a great roster

It replaced Mewtwo with Lucario, and Young Link with Stupid Cel Shaded Link

It's an objectively worse roster
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mario masta
03/09/18 7:06:07 PM
#57:


lmao @ Melee having "deep" techs and mechanics

you mean glitches
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Zack_Attackv1
03/09/18 7:06:50 PM
#58:


Melee is the only correct answer.
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thanosibe
03/09/18 7:06:55 PM
#59:


RedWhiteBlue posted...
I seriously don't get how anyone is, and apparently everyone is, shitting all over Brawl. It had so many fun modes, a great roster, and didn't fuck over a player for getting hit once against a professional combo player who basically wants to stunlock to win. Melee had excellent gameplay, though, but it's missing all the extra shit Brawl added. Melee fights are also enjoyable to watch and spontaneous.
This. There was so much right Brawl had besides the core fighting that no other Smash game had.
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ArchiePeck
03/09/18 7:07:25 PM
#60:


Project M.
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Delirious_Beard
03/09/18 7:11:17 PM
#61:


_Near_ posted...
Ledge hogging is a stupid fucking idea and I'm glad it's gone


enjoy your meta of zero edgeguarding

the removal of ledge stalling was all that needed to be done to the ledge, it was a perfect change
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_Near_
03/09/18 8:05:26 PM
#62:


Delirious_Beard posted...


enjoy your meta of zero edgeguarding


lmao if you think that there's no edguarding if you take out ledgehogging

it always amazes me how melee purists hold on to bad game design because they think it makes the game more complex.
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Darklit_Minuet
03/09/18 8:23:06 PM
#63:


_Near_ posted...
Delirious_Beard posted...


enjoy your meta of zero edgeguarding


lmao if you think that there's no edguarding if you take out ledgehogging

it always amazes me how melee purists hold on to bad game design because they think it makes the game more complex.

Brawl literally has tripping
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GeneralKenobi85
03/09/18 8:24:31 PM
#64:


mario masta posted...
lmao @ Melee having "deep" techs and mechanics

you mean glitches

2018 and some people still say this.
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_Near_
03/09/18 8:32:26 PM
#65:


Darklit_Minuet posted...

Brawl literally has tripping


yeah, that's part of why it's the worst one
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SkittyOnWailord
03/09/18 8:35:26 PM
#66:


Brawl > Wii U > 3DS > SSB > Melee
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Darklit_Minuet
03/09/18 8:36:02 PM
#67:


SkittyOnWailord posted...
Brawl > Wii U > 3DS > SSB > Melee

I think you accidentally switched Melee and Brawl's positions
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SkittyOnWailord
03/09/18 8:49:07 PM
#68:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
SkittyOnWailord posted...
Brawl > Wii U > 3DS > SSB > Melee

I think you accidentally switched Melee and Brawl's positions


Nope. My opinion was posted correctly.
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dave_is_slick
03/09/18 8:50:37 PM
#70:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
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Brawl was my favorite one

It can't have been, because it's objectively worst

We're pretending the 64 doesn't exist?
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dave_is_slick
03/09/18 8:52:54 PM
#71:


Spidey5 posted...
Agreed. I put hundreds of hours in the other games. But I only played smash 4 once. Or maybe i just got sick of the series. I dunno.

Nah, it is a major step backwards. The Subspace Emissary mode could've been refined, but it was fucking cool, the scenes that were in it. They didn't do shit for 4.
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Darklit_Minuet
03/09/18 8:55:21 PM
#72:


dave_is_slick posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
xAzNPimP4LiFex posted...
Brawl was my favorite one

It can't have been, because it's objectively worst

We're pretending the 64 doesn't exist?

64 doesn't have tripping, and doesn't have Lucario.
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GeneralKenobi85
03/09/18 9:00:19 PM
#73:


dave_is_slick posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
xAzNPimP4LiFex posted...
Brawl was my favorite one

It can't have been, because it's objectively worst

We're pretending the 64 doesn't exist?

64 has Board the Platforms and unique Break the Targets for each character. That alone beats anything in Smash 4.

Really, they're all good games. Smash 4 just has no extra content. 8 Player Smash is pretty cool, but that's it. It's got nothing going else going for it other than its roster and a few good stages.
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chill02
03/09/18 9:02:21 PM
#74:


Melee > 4 > Brawl > 64
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dave_is_slick
03/09/18 9:08:47 PM
#75:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
xAzNPimP4LiFex posted...
Brawl was my favorite one

It can't have been, because it's objectively worst

We're pretending the 64 doesn't exist?

64 doesn't have tripping, and doesn't have Lucario.

So? I can count on one hand how many times I've lost due to tripping. Exactly 0 times. All y'all fucking suck if you're losing to tripping.
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Darklit_Minuet
03/09/18 9:42:01 PM
#76:


dave_is_slick posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
xAzNPimP4LiFex posted...
Brawl was my favorite one

It can't have been, because it's objectively worst

We're pretending the 64 doesn't exist?

64 doesn't have tripping, and doesn't have Lucario.

So? I can count on one hand how many times I've lost due to tripping. Exactly 0 times. All y'all fucking suck if you're losing to tripping.

Doesn't matter. Not having it makes 64 better, and not having Lucario makes 64 better
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dave_is_slick
03/09/18 9:54:03 PM
#77:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Not having it makes 64 better

64 had objectively worse mechanics. That's all that matters.
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Darklit_Minuet
03/09/18 9:54:48 PM
#78:


dave_is_slick posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Not having it makes 64 better

64 had objectively worse mechanics. That's all that matters.

No tripping is an objectively better mechanic than tripping

The ability to combo is an objectively better mechanic than Brawl's floatiness

Besides having more characters and side-b moves, what mechanics did Brawl have over 64?
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dave_is_slick
03/09/18 10:00:28 PM
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nothing about it was better than SSB4

SSE.
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SkittyOnWailord
03/09/18 10:01:10 PM
#81:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Besides having more characters and side-b moves, what mechanics did Brawl have over 64?


Autolink angle.
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dave_is_slick
03/09/18 10:13:17 PM
#82:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Besides having more characters and side-b moves, what mechanics did Brawl have over 64?

Smash attacks
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scar the 1
03/10/18 12:25:26 AM
#83:


dave_is_slick posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Besides having more characters and side-b moves, what mechanics did Brawl have over 64?

Smash attacks

Charging them at least. Throwing people in four directions, everything related to air dodging, probably a lot more
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Tyranthraxus
03/10/18 12:26:27 AM
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_Near_
03/10/18 12:38:04 AM
#85:


Conflict posted...
I'm guessing people are just trolling or memeing when they say Brawl is the best. Game had some glaring flaws and nothing about it was better than SSB4 aside from Ice Climbers' removal from 4


naw, people just have shit taste, tbh
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Benify
03/10/18 12:47:42 AM
#86:


Melee had the best gameplay, but Project M is basically Brawl's awesome content with Melee's gameplay, sooo that. Smash 4 is cool but on a competitive level it is absolutely garbage. 64 is silly fun but just seems outdated now.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ
03/10/18 1:18:25 AM
#87:


Benify posted...
Smash 4 is cool but on a competitive level it is absolutely garbage.

Please tell me you have SSB4.
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_Near_
03/10/18 1:21:45 AM
#88:


sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Benify posted...
Smash 4 is cool but on a competitive level it is absolutely garbage.

Please tell me you have SSB4.


Seriously. I just think most people haven't really played 4 that much. Lots of people in this topic who have played it have admitted that they either don't own it or have only played it a couple of times.

I mean, you can't really blame people for putting up Melee as the best one - no one bought a fucking Wii U.
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Capital_Tenant
03/10/18 1:36:17 AM
#89:


chill02 posted...
Melee > 4 > Brawl > 64

This. I agree with this.
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dave_is_slick
03/10/18 2:09:11 AM
#90:


_Near_ posted...
sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Benify posted...
Smash 4 is cool but on a competitive level it is absolutely garbage.

Please tell me you have SSB4.


Seriously. I just think most people haven't really played 4 that much. Lots of people in this topic who have played it have admitted that they either don't own it or have only played it a couple of times.

I mean, you can't really blame people for putting up Melee as the best one - no one bought a fucking Wii U.

4 just seemed empty. It was a step back in a lot of ways.
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Waluigi7
03/10/18 2:21:45 AM
#91:


Melee > Brawl > 4 > 64
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GeneralKenobi85
03/10/18 8:56:05 AM
#92:


_Near_ posted...
sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Benify posted...
Smash 4 is cool but on a competitive level it is absolutely garbage.

Please tell me you have SSB4.


Seriously. I just think most people haven't really played 4 that much. Lots of people in this topic who have played it have admitted that they either don't own it or have only played it a couple of times.

I mean, you can't really blame people for putting up Melee as the best one - no one bought a fucking Wii U.

Might also be that Melee actually is the best one. Competitively it is of course. Smash 4 also is good competitively. But Melee is also the better casual game. At least I think it is.
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_Near_
03/10/18 11:25:32 AM
#93:


While Melee requires more skill and it's more competitive, it relies on exploits which were not balanced in the first place. From a gameplay stand point, Smash 4 is a better fighting game because the mechanics used to play it both competitively and casually are balanced.

Smash 4 is definitely the better casual game, as well, given the fact that it dispenses with a lot of useless punishing tactics like a single air dodge or ledge hogging. Furthermore, it has way more characters (including third party characters) and the ability to stuff in 8 players in a single match. And it's way easier to be good at Smash 4 than it is to be good at Melee.
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GeneralKenobi85
03/10/18 12:04:05 PM
#94:


Smash 4 is in a bad spot competitively right now though, while Melee isn't. Bayonetta is a major issue at all levels of competitive play.

I personally think Smash 4 is a poor game for casual play though. If I had friends to play it with frequently I'm sure it would be more enjoyable. But it really doesn't have anything to offer when playing alone. And having a great roster doesn't change that.
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BudDupree48
03/10/18 12:09:53 PM
#95:


Brawl is the best
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TheGrindery
03/10/18 12:11:02 PM
#96:


GeneralKenobi85 posted...
_Near_ posted...
sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Benify posted...
Smash 4 is cool but on a competitive level it is absolutely garbage.

Please tell me you have SSB4.


Seriously. I just think most people haven't really played 4 that much. Lots of people in this topic who have played it have admitted that they either don't own it or have only played it a couple of times.

I mean, you can't really blame people for putting up Melee as the best one - no one bought a fucking Wii U.

Might also be that Melee actually is the best one. Competitively it is of course. Smash 4 also is good competitively. But Melee is also the better casual game. At least I think it is.

I'm still surprised by how deep the gameplay turned out to be, especially with those exploits like wavedashing.
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Spidey5
03/10/18 12:12:42 PM
#97:


dave_is_slick posted...
Spidey5 posted...
Agreed. I put hundreds of hours in the other games. But I only played smash 4 once. Or maybe i just got sick of the series. I dunno.

Nah, it is a major step backwards. The Subspace Emissary mode could've been refined, but it was fucking cool, the scenes that were in it. They didn't do shit for 4.

Yeah, love the cutscenes. Even if Brawl suffered from some bad mechanics, I still enjoyed it cause there was lots of single player content. None of my friends still play the series, so I feel 4 was completely empty. It's an annoying thing about Nintendo with their larger focus on multiplayer in general.
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Tyranthraxus
03/10/18 12:33:42 PM
#98:


No Subspace emissary in Smash 4 really hurt me and I can't help but feel part of the reason was because of their assheaded insistence on having a 3DS and Wii U version of the same fucking game and they still couldn't be assed to make sure they had equivalent content.
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Blbmbr666
03/10/18 12:39:17 PM
#99:


_Near_ posted...
While Melee requires more skill and it's more competitive, it relies on exploits which were not balanced in the first place. From a gameplay stand point, Smash 4 is a better fighting game because the mechanics used to play it both competitively and casually are balanced.

Smash 4 is definitely the better casual game, as well, given the fact that it dispenses with a lot of useless punishing tactics like a single air dodge or ledge hogging. Furthermore, it has way more characters (including third party characters) and the ability to stuff in 8 players in a single match. And it's way easier to be good at Smash 4 than it is to be good at Melee.

It's funny to say this, when the 'exploits' you talk about are actually hard as fuck to execute well enough to be a high level player.

Besides that, it's still a better balanced game than Sm4sh. Check top 8 character representation vs the total cast count.
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Mist_Turnips
03/10/18 12:56:16 PM
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Blbmbr666 posted...
Check top 8 character representation vs the total cast count.

1. Fox
2. Fox
3. Fox
4. Fox
5. Fox
6. Fox
7. Fox
8. ???
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