Current Events > You can only save one: Your dog, or someone else's toddler.

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thanosibe posted...

Swampthing1138 posted...

PIITB415 posted...

It amazing how the people who are voting for the dog are disconnected with other humans. It would have been better if your parents chose a dog instead of having you.

Wrong. People who choose the dog have more empathy because they consider other life forms just as important.

It's really just being selfish. You are thinking of your own needs over a stranger. This has less to do with the dog dying than you considering life without your dog. As I would expect is the reason anyone votes the dog.

Counterpoint, people choosing the toddler are just trying to save face or avoid legal repercussions. Both choices are pretty bad.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Vicious_Dios posted...

Toddler. People come first.

LMAO at the idiotic rationale replies for saving their fucking dog.

Oh yes, this response.

The correct response?
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GregShmedley posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Vicious_Dios posted...

Toddler. People come first.

LMAO at the idiotic rationale replies for saving their fucking dog.

Oh yes, this response.

There's nothing wrong with that response.

It's flawed because a human's life being more important isn't an inherent truth. That's an opinion.

Also your kid or someone else's? If you pick your kid you're being selfish and are a terrible person.

GregShmedley posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Counterpoint, people choosing the toddler are just trying to save face or avoid legal repercussions. Both choices are pretty bad.

That isn't a counterpoint lol. People are choosing the toddler because it's a fucking toddler.

The parents left it to die. Though more realistically I'd save both, even if I had to break bones doing so.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

The parents left it to die.

MuffinzwOrned posted...

Let's say the parents also fell unconscious from the smoke

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My dog unless it's a toddler related to a friend
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Before my cat passed away from old age, I would have gladly taken a bullet for it. I'm sure I would have done the same if I had a dog.

I would save my dog.
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Obviously save the toddler.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

thanosibe posted...

Swampthing1138 posted...

PIITB415 posted...

It amazing how the people who are voting for the dog are disconnected with other humans. It would have been better if your parents chose a dog instead of having you.

Wrong. People who choose the dog have more empathy because they consider other life forms just as important.

It's really just being selfish. You are thinking of your own needs over a stranger. This has less to do with the dog dying than you considering life without your dog. As I would expect is the reason anyone votes the dog.

Counterpoint, people choosing the toddler are just trying to save face or avoid legal repercussions. Both choices are pretty bad.

I would not want to be in the situation for real myself. But if I did, it would be pretty easy to make the choice to save the child. Not that I would want the dog to die either, but for the sake of the hypothetical instinct would be the child.
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MuffinzwOrned posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

The parents left it to die.

MuffinzwOrned posted...

Let's say the parents also fell unconscious from the smoke

Amounts to the same thing. Also adding in things like that brings up questions like if you'd save the parents.

The way you worded it originally was pretty straightforward. In a vacuum which would you save if you had to.
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thanosibe posted...

But if I did, it would be pretty easy to make the choice to save the child.

You must not think much of dogs. I don't see this as an easy choice either way.
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I loved my dog as it was a human but I'm not that disillusioned that I'd choose a dogs life over a humans, especially a child.

Also, do people not realize that a dogs life is exceptionally short compared to humans? How old is this dog that you're saving? Sad to say but it could be dead in a few years depending on that answer.
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gmanthebest posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Vicious_Dios posted...

Toddler. People come first.

LMAO at the idiotic rationale replies for saving their fucking dog.

Oh yes, this response.

The correct response?

The "easy way to make myself look morally superior to the rest of the topic" response.
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This subject always goes places. You could probably make it every week.

P4wn4g3 posted...

MuffinzwOrned posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

The parents left it to die.

MuffinzwOrned posted...

Let's say the parents also fell unconscious from the smoke

Amounts to the same thing. Also adding in things like that brings up questions like if you'd save the parents.

I mean, I'm pretty sure "I can only carry a toddler or a dog" implies that I'm not going to be able to also carry two fully grown adults
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P4wn4g3 posted...

thanosibe posted...

But if I did, it would be pretty easy to make the choice to save the child.

You must not think much of dogs. I don't see this as an easy choice either way.

I value most all life. But I personally can't imagine living with myself knowing a child died by my choice. It would easier for me to live with the dog's death.
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Now make this thread where it involves the trolley problem.

PIITB415 posted...

It amazing how the people who are voting for the dog are disconnected with other humans. It would have been better if your parents chose a dog instead of having you.

I wish these people who dont value human life as much as me would just die/were never born
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My cat
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TheGrindery posted...

Now make this thread where it involves the trolley problem.

I thought that was was universally agreed upon where you as a person should not touch, interfere, or otherwise do anything that would alter the path of the trolly, so that you can absolve yourself of any responsibility.

(plus the trolley scenario is unrealistic as shit)
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PIITB415 posted...

It amazing how the people who are voting for the dog are disconnected with other humans. It would have been better if your parents chose a dog instead of having you.

Jokes on you I wish I was never born
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thanosibe posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

thanosibe posted...

But if I did, it would be pretty easy to make the choice to save the child.

You must not think much of dogs. I don't see this as an easy choice either way.

I value most all life. But I personally can't imagine living with myself knowing a child died by my choice. It would easier for me to live with the dog's death.

Yeah that's the ultimate question really, which could you live with dying/surviving. It's not exactly an objective question in that way either. Like would the survivor just become a constant reminder of the one that died? Ultimately I'd agree that human life is on average worth more than animal life, but it wouldn't be an objective decision.
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GregShmedley posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

gmanthebest posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Vicious_Dios posted...

Toddler. People come first.

LMAO at the idiotic rationale replies for saving their fucking dog.

Oh yes, this response.

The correct response?

The "easy way to make myself look morally superior to the rest of the topic" response.

...or the "easy way to show you are a morally sound and mentally stable human being" response.

I don't need a topic like this to validate that aspect about me, do you
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

gmanthebest posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Vicious_Dios posted...

Toddler. People come first.

LMAO at the idiotic rationale replies for saving their fucking dog.

Oh yes, this response.

The correct response?

That's right

Yup
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gmanthebest posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

gmanthebest posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Vicious_Dios posted...

Toddler. People come first.

LMAO at the idiotic rationale replies for saving their fucking dog.

Oh yes, this response.

The correct response?

That's right

Yup

???
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My dog is everything to me but I can live with the pain of losing him over the pain over knowing I could of saved someones kid. I'd feel like shit regardless. Every time I looked at my dog Id be reminded by my choice. My decision is still pretty selfish actually

Just seen this was touched on a few posts before me. Nice
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Do I know this toddler? do I like the toddler or it's parents?

Unless all of them are yes, then goodbye little timmy.

TomNook20 posted...

ITT disgusting speciesist bigots.

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FluttershyPony posted...

Do I know this toddler? do I like the toddler or it's parents?

Unless all of them are yes, then goodbye little timmy.

Of course you know him if you knew his name was Timmy.
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anyone picking the dog over a human needs serious mental health reform

FluttershyPony posted...

Do I know this toddler? do I like the toddler or it's parents?

Unless all of them are yes, then goodbye little timmy.

Not by name or anything. You see them passing in the apartment hallway maybe once every other week or so and nod politely, but never exchange words or anything.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

FluttershyPony posted...

Do I know this toddler? do I like the toddler or it's parents?

Unless all of them are yes, then goodbye little timmy.

Of course you know him if you knew his name was Timmy.

timmy =/= Timmy

lower-case timmy = placeholder name
upper-case Timmy = its name is actually Timmy
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smoliske posted...

anyone picking the dog over a human needs serious mental health reform

Don't worry, my mental health checks out.
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GregShmedley posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

GregShmedley posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

gmanthebest posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Vicious_Dios posted...

Toddler. People come first.

LMAO at the idiotic rationale replies for saving their fucking dog.

Oh yes, this response.

The correct response?

The "easy way to make myself look morally superior to the rest of the topic" response.

...or the "easy way to show you are a morally sound and mentally stable human being" response.

I don't need a topic like this to validate that aspect about me, do you

No...I was clearly responding similarly to your ridiculous conclusion.

I mean if this is your line of thinking, this topic shouldn't even exist nor should we be discussing anything that has to do with any sort of moral decisions.

It really shouldn't exist.

Every time it does people pick the morally correct choice of the two, but if this situation actually existed I bet the results wouldn't always be the same, unless the person in question doesn't have a dog to begin with.

Therefore I'm not gonna pretend like I'm some paragon of humanity by picking the toddler so suddenly, and neither should anyone else.
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MuffinzwOrned posted...

timmy =/= Timmy

lower-case timmy = placeholder name
upper-case Timmy = its name is actually Timmy

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what if in a previous house fire, you passed out from the smoke and your dog dragged you out of there???
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

MuffinzwOrned posted...

timmy =/= Timmy

lower-case timmy = placeholder name
upper-case Timmy = its name is actually Timmy

what emojis did you use

Alexanaxela posted...

what if in a previous house fire, you passed out from the smoke and your dog dragged you out of there???

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P4wn4g3 posted...

thanosibe posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

thanosibe posted...

But if I did, it would be pretty easy to make the choice to save the child.

You must not think much of dogs. I don't see this as an easy choice either way.

I value most all life. But I personally can't imagine living with myself knowing a child died by my choice. It would easier for me to live with the dog's death.

Yeah that's the ultimate question really, which could you live with dying/surviving. It's not exactly an objective question in that way either. Like would the survivor just become a constant reminder of the one that died? Ultimately I'd agree that human life is on average worth more than animal life, but it wouldn't be an objective decision.

When my first son was born 14 weeks early and they couldn't stop my wife's premature labor, they were going to go in and do an emergency c-section. The doctor came to me before the surgery (when she was just put under) and told me my wife couldn't make the decision during the surgery. He said if it comes to it, and I don't think it will, if both lives are threatened in the process, who is the priority? I said my wife, just like that without a thought.

Count 3 years down the road and we had our second (and last) this conversation came up hypothetically. (She never knew what the doc asked me with the first pregnancy.) She asked who would you choose, our child or me. I said her. And she said she'd probably never forgive and might not even want to stay in the marriage. She said every time she looked at me, I would remind her why our child is dead. I recognized even in the real instance with our first son, that I was being selfish, but I couldn't help it. She meant more to me, than our child that I might never even see.
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MuffinzwOrned posted...

what emojis did you use

Ones implying I didn't get that it was a joke at first but then got it. timmy can go to hell but Id die for Timmy
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toddler. it didn't specify that the dog will 100% die. my dog will have a better chance at escape than a toddler. even then, probably the toddler.

this isn't the same thing but this is how i chose. if i was driving and a dog ran out suddenly and i hit it and it died, i would be pretty sad. if it was a human i would be pretty fucked up over it for a while, moreso than the dog, and for longer.
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pauIie posted...

my dog will have a better chance at escape than a toddler.

MuffinzwOrned posted...

for the purposes of this scenario, the dog passed out from the smoke

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might as well just say "decide what dies."
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Depends. Are the parents liberals?
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MuffinzwOrned posted...

Alexanaxela posted...

what if in a previous house fire, you passed out from the smoke and your dog dragged you out of there???

checkmate
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The toddler because dogs are worthless filth. Anyone who voted to save the dog is mentally a child and should be sent to therapy to learn some empathy.

r4X0r posted...

Depends. Are the parents liberals?

Trump supportersthanosibe posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

thanosibe posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

thanosibe posted...

But if I did, it would be pretty easy to make the choice to save the child.

You must not think much of dogs. I don't see this as an easy choice either way.

I value most all life. But I personally can't imagine living with myself knowing a child died by my choice. It would easier for me to live with the dog's death.

Yeah that's the ultimate question really, which could you live with dying/surviving. It's not exactly an objective question in that way either. Like would the survivor just become a constant reminder of the one that died? Ultimately I'd agree that human life is on average worth more than animal life, but it wouldn't be an objective decision.

When my first son was born 14 weeks early and they couldn't stop my wife's premature labor, they were going to go in and do an emergency c-section. The doctor came to me before the surgery (when she was just put under) and told me my wife couldn't make the decision during the surgery. He said if it comes to it, and I don't think it will, if both lives are threatened in the process, who is the priority? I said my wife, just like that without a thought.

Count 3 years down the road and we had our second (and last) this conversation came up hypothetically. (She never knew what the doc asked me with the first pregnancy.) She asked who would you choose, our child or me. I said her. And she said she'd probably never forgive and might not even want to stay in the marriage. She said every time she looked at me, I would remind her why our child is dead. I recognized even in the real instance with our first son, that I was being selfish, but I couldn't help it. She meant more to me, than our child that I might never even see.

I would have chosen my woman as well. I don't consider your decision selfish at all.