Current Events > Trump Supporter whose Daughter was Killed in Florida is AGAINST GUN CONTROL!!

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Andrew Pollack, the father one of the victims killed in the Florida Shooting Massacre said he's AGAINST changing US Gun laws because it's not "achievable"

His 18 y/o daughter, Meadow was "stalked and shot 9 times" by 19 y/o Nikolas Cruz at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

This has yet again sparked a debate on US gun laws and nationwide protests against lenient regulations around semi-automatic weapons and background checks

But Andrew, who was a huge Trump Supporter in the 2016 election is warning the focus on gun laws but rather school safety.

He said "Gun laws right now are not achievable. My daughter was murdered by a gun. She should have been safe in school. I'm not saying don't go after gun laws. I'm not a gun expert, i'm saying that's the problem. School shootings always getting twisted into gun laws and gun control. If we all focus together, one nation, no political affiliation, we could work together and make schools safe again, and then we go fight it out"

His comments surfaced after the Florida Senate briefly approved a 2 year freeze on the sale of AR-15 rifles before OVERTURNING it in 15 minutes after the initial vote!!

Mr Pollack was one of the attendees during Trump's listening session who seemed to have suggested NOT changing gun laws during that meeting and reaffirmed that today.

Mr Pollack also made it clear that he was with the President and that he supported him in the election.

Trump is also see-sawing on his support for gun control after previously stated that he supports it but the NRA came out and said that he DOESN'T support it..

Does it surprise you that Mr Pollack doesn't support Gun Control after what happened?

Andrew - Against Gun Control

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Meadow - Deceased

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So he thinks we need to make schools safe again but gun control isn't the way.

And by no gun control he means absolutely no measures at all to restrict or increase the background checks for guns.
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Well yeah. Just because something unfortunate happens, it shouldn't change your convictions. Those are some pretty weak convictions if so.
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Yes, let's just treat our kids like prisoners. We'll install metal detectors and cameras. We'll have armed guards. We'll even do drills and lockdowns. That's not going to affect their development at all.

Knowledge_King posted...

Well yeah. Just because something unfortunate happens, it shouldn't change your convictions. Those are some pretty weak convictions if so.

This.

It's like trusting Medicine and science, but if it didn't work in your favor or a loved one you become a believer in natural healing and holistic medicines instead.
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gunplagirl posted...

So he thinks we need to make schools safe again but gun control isn't the way.

And by no gun control he means absolutely no measures at all to restrict or increase the background checks for guns.

Well Cruz was able to buy his firearm because someone in the office forgot, or was too lazy, to put in the information that would have had his request denied. So if government agents arent doing their jobs with the 200 plus laws on the books already then how is tightening restrictions on everyone going to fix that? Enforcement of our current laws and prosecution of those flagged for trying to get a weapon illegally is all we need...not bullshit bans and limits on the 99.9% that dont break the law.
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Knowledge_King posted...

Well yeah. Just because something unfortunate happens, it shouldn't change your convictions. Those are some pretty weak convictions if so.

Changing convictions when presented with facts and evidence that proves your argument incorrect or dated is not a bad move. That's why we as humans are able to grow and advance society. We had people who swore by steam power as the way of the future but then diesel became popular, and now we know diesel is wasteful and destroys the environment and therefore electric and solar should be where we turn to next.
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gunplagirl posted...

Changing convictions when presented with facts and evidence that proves your argument incorrect or dated is not a bad move.

Anecdotal evidence has no place in discussions that will affect entire nations.
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scorpion41 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

So he thinks we need to make schools safe again but gun control isn't the way.

And by no gun control he means absolutely no measures at all to restrict or increase the background checks for guns.

Well Cruz was able to buy his firearm because someone in the office forgot, or was too lazy, to put in the information that would have had his request denied. So if government agents arent doing their jobs with the 200 plus laws on the books already then how is tightening restrictions on everyone going to fix that? Enforcement of our current laws and prosecution of those flagged for trying to get a weapon illegally is all we need...not bullshit bans and limits on the 99.9% that dont break the law.

If there's limits and you're in the 99.9% that would be unaffected, why do you care?

And among other things, we should focus actually creating laws that are strict in that they would make the office people who have not properly filed things culpable for incidents that occur because of their negligence. Especially since the paperwork had been there for awhile, it's not like they got the documents saying "flag this kid" on Friday at 4:40 pm and he bought it over the weekend before they filled it out.
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iClockwork posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Changing convictions when presented with facts and evidence that proves your argument incorrect or dated is not a bad move.

Anecdotal evidence has no place in discussions that will affect entire nations.

I guess that all those other countries that did such things successfully are merely anecdotes and that a repeated chain of anecdotes with the same outcome is merely coincidence and all examples must be overlooked because... Oh. "Because America is different than those other countries". Which is anecdotal.

*le gasp*
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If someone killed my kids with a knife, I doubt I would demand knives be banned.

mrduckbear posted...

His comments surfaced after the Florida Senate briefly approved a 2 year freeze on the sale of AR-15 rifles before OVERTURNING it in 15 minutes after the initial vote!!

How the fuck did that happen? Oh right, Florida. But still 15 minutes has got to be a record.
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Maybe because they realise that these kind of events have become more common as gun control has increased?
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DarkTransient posted...

Maybe because they realise that these kind of events have become more common as gun control has increased?

Trump revoked the Obama era policies that were meant to help stop such incidents as this

That's decreasing gun control, not increasing
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Milkman5 posted...

If someone killed my kids with a knife, I doubt I would demand knives be banned.

Besides certain varieties, most knives aren't made for the purpose of killing

All guns are made for the purpose of killing
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gunplagirl posted...

I guess that all those other countries that did such things successfully are merely anecdotes

The comment you made in regard to this topic implies that this man should change his stance based on a personal experience a.k.a anecdotal evidence.

All those other countries didn't have a gun to person ratio 1:1 so their "success" is irrelevant.

Because America is different than those other countries". Which is anecdotal.

No that's a statistical reality. It doesn't seem you know what an anecdote is.
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iClockwork posted...

gunplagirl posted...

I guess that all those other countries that did such things successfully are merely anecdotes

The comment you made in regard to this topic implies that this man should change his stance based on a personal experience a.k.a anecdotal evidence.

All those other countries didn't have a gun to person ratio 1:1 so their "success" is irrelevant.

Which comment?

I never said he should change his argument because of this incident, there's plenty of other examples that don't directly apply to him

And the 1:1 ratio is pretty skewed when you take in to account gun owners with more than one firearm. Incidentally, the reason behind most stockpiling has everything to do with NRA "they're coming for your guns" propaganda, something that's been researched and verified to death over the last two decades. But do go on, what is it about our number of guns that will make any attempt at reasonable gun control totally useless and not comparable whatsoever? Give me specifics, with analyzed charts and all the bells and whistles to prove that we aren't the same.

But at the same time you need to recognize that saying our situations aren't the same is *le gasp* anecdotal?!
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iClockwork posted...

Because America is different than those other countries". Which is anecdotal.

No that's a statistical reality. It doesn't seem you know what an anecdote is.

The guns per capita part IS statistically verified. The expression "they're nothing like America" on the other hand is entirely anecdotal when used in a generalized sense, which I would have previously assumed you could understand, given the quotation marks for emphasis. That sort of expression is used frequently in such discussions by people who want to disregard all examples of successful gun control policies. That's hardly anecdotal, the impact is statistically validated and verified, etc.
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gunplagirl posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Maybe because they realise that these kind of events have become more common as gun control has increased?

Trump revoked the Obama era policies that were meant to help stop such incidents as this

That's decreasing gun control, not increasing

These attacks started becoming more common quite a while before Trump even announced his run for president, let alone won, let alone did anything.
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DarkTransient posted...

gunplagirl posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Maybe because they realise that these kind of events have become more common as gun control has increased?

Trump revoked the Obama era policies that were meant to help stop such incidents as this

That's decreasing gun control, not increasing

These attacks started becoming more common quite a while before Trump even announced his run for president, let alone won, let alone did anything.

And the increased gun control policies to which you earlier alluded are? We've got the Obama one listed already.
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How tragic. Sad that people are in such a rush to politicize this that I hadn't even heard the actual story, just this.
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gunplagirl posted...

But do go on, what is it about our number of guns that will make any attempt at reasonable gun control totally useless and not comparable whatsoever? Give me specifics, with analyzed charts and all the bells and whistles to prove that we aren't the same.

You're the one making the claim that we need gun regulation, burden of proof lies on you. I don't believe there is a problem.
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We know that if not for the failures of the FBI and the local police, the shooting could have either been prevented or more lives saved.

But that's not a juicy political diversion for the Democratic party.
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