Current Events > Why is the left so terrified when people who disagree with them speak?

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http://quillette.com/2018/02/25/damore-diversity-disruption-psu/

James argues, accurately, that there are differences between men and women, evolutionary biologist Heather Heying said during the panel discussion. This is a strange position to be in, to be arguing for something that is so universally and widely accepted in biology. . .You can be irritated by a lot of truths, but taking offense, here, Heying paused as hecklers shouted and began to walk out is a response that is a rejection of reality.

A non-student protester then yanked the cables from the sound system and shoved the equipment to the ground, breaking an antenna. She was promptly detained by police. [Damores] a piece of shit! she screamed as she was issued a citation for criminal mischief in the second degree. Even the women in there have been brainwashed! Another protester stated: Nazis are not welcome in civil society.

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Partisan hacks practicing identity politics.
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I still find is unreal how nobody can just have a calm, intelligent debate anymore. It just goes 0 to 100 as soon as they hear something they don't agree with, and they immediately transform into a savage beast, complete with foaming at the mouth.

It hasn't always been like this, right?
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rabbi_baby posted...

Partisan hacks practicing identity politics.

I can't recall the right doing this to a leftist speaker. Certainly not in the last 30 years
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God forbid we be civil.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

rabbi_baby posted...

Partisan hacks practicing identity politics.

I can't recall the right doing this to a leftist speaker. Certainly not in the last 30 years

The right has their own litany shitty behavior, but they do seem more open to debates.
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I dont know. Both men and womens brains are different physically and biochemically and as much as leftists cry sexist, there are indeed traits that are more prevalent in men and not women and vice versa. Memory is a perfect example. Men tend to have better short term memories, women tend to have better long term memories. This isnt up for debate. Its just how it is. This article does a good job outlining differences. Clearly its not always true, there are exceptions, but for most members of a sex it is.

https://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.html

Enjoy.
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Calling everyone a Nazi who doesn't agree with you. This Is stupid
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Libs in big trouble
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Bump
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LastTomorrow posted...

Calling everyone a Nazi who doesn't agree with you. This Is stupid

The problem is it works. So people will keep using it to shame their opponents. And then it'll stop working. And then actual Nazis will be able to run uncontested in Republican primaries because the tactic has been abused so badly nobody takes it seriously anymore.

And then we're Wiemar Germany.
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actually with mal on this one

i noticed this sort of thing among many feminist circles a couple years ago

it is not good
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Emotional left-wing rhetoric can't be defended using logic or intelligent arguments, so the remedy for this cognitive dissonance is temper tantrums and attempting to silence the folks who will expose their positions.

Just to clarify, there are liberal intellectuals who can and do easily defend their positions, but the far-leftists and regressives who think statements like "men and women are biologically different" is offensive are the ones who have no other tactics at their disposal.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Fuck, where was that a couple days ago when I needed it.

The left is filled with people who love doing things they complain about and say they hate. They dont like name calling, they dont like fighting, they dont like bullying.....yet, they are the ones name calling, fighting, and being bullies. It really is funny.
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Darkman124 posted...

actually with mal on this one

i noticed this sort of thing among many feminist circles a couple years ago

it is not good

IMO I think its because debate isn't encouraged or taught. I'd openly support making debate a required subject in high school. I think too many people don't even know how to defend their opinions so when they're challenged it's like a personal insult, and so they rely on personal insults in response. Everything is an axiom, which means nothing has to be justified, and anyone who questions you is objectively wrong.

It's like in college when a professor showed me the ~4 page proof on why 1+1=2 to remind us that anything we take as fact has at some point been proven, and it's an extremely difficult process sometimes, which is why we should always question something we're being asked to take at face value that's the crux of a proposed solution.
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s0nicfan posted...

Darkman124 posted...

actually with mal on this one

i noticed this sort of thing among many feminist circles a couple years ago

it is not good

IMO I think its because debate isn't encouraged or taught. I'd openly support making debate a required subject in high school. I think too many people don't even know how to defend their opinions so when they're challenged it's like a personal insult, and so they rely on personal insults in response. Everything is an axiom, which means nothing has to be justified, and anyone who questions you is objectively wrong.

It's like in college when a professor showed me the ~4 page proof on why 1+1=2 to remind us that anything we take as fact has at some point been proven, and it's an extremely difficult process sometimes, which is why we should always question something we're being asked to take at face value that's the crux of a proposed solution.

This is a generation of "adults" who learned what they think is "debate etiquette" from watching Jon Stewart.
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it's really actually a feminist issue.

feminists are to the left what the religious Christians are to the right.
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Honestly, just like darkman, I agree with Mal on this particular event (and normally I almost never agree with Mal)

While there are crazy actions on both sides and people doing stupid extremes. The FAR left don't want to let ANYONE speak that disagree with them.
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The Admiral posted...

This is a generation of "adults" who learned what they think is "debate etiquette" from watching Jon Stewart.

Honestly I wish they did. Say what you will about Jon, but he's the only one who was willing to regularly go on conservative shows and bring conservatives on his show to talk issues, rather than rely on cropped soundbytes and one-liners to "beat" the opposing opinion. I thought his appearance on Crossfire was brilliant, and I sorely miss the debates he had with O'Reilly. Jon poked fun, but he was always willing to listen and engage as well.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmqxM0D-i-w

The Admiral posted...

This is a generation of "adults" who learned what they think is "debate etiquette" from watching Jon Stewart.

And countered by those who learn their debate tactics from random people on YouTube videos
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i recall there being some debate between dawkins and some feminist figure about postmodernism and whether objectivity was an appropriate standard for debate

it seemed very odd. will dig it up. it's not merely young people being dumb, imo, but a strange academic approach that is very much against the academic principles that i understand
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

The Admiral posted...

This is a generation of "adults" who learned what they think is "debate etiquette" from watching Jon Stewart.

And countered by those who learn their debate tactics from random people on YouTube videos

while true, we on the left should not be racing to the bottom.
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Darkman124 posted...

i recall there being some debate between dawkins and some feminist figure about postmodernism and whether objectivity was an appropriate standard for debate

it seemed very odd. will dig it up. it's not merely young people being dumb, imo, but a strange academic approach that is very much against the academic principles that i understand

It's deconstructionist theory. Academics love Derrida because you can endlessly disassemble any debate topic into sufficiently small component pieces to draw literally any conclusion you want.
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Dustin1280 posted...

Honestly, just like darkman, I agree with Mal on this particular event (and normally I almost never agree with Mal)

While there are crazy actions on both sides and people doing stupid extremes. The FAR left don't want to let ANYONE speak that disagree with them.

it's not the far left actually. it's actually mainstream liberal feminists.
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I love how the the left always says shit like nazis are not allowed in civil society yet they are the ones who riot, use violence, and once angered attack the opposing side instead of talking/debating.

So many of the left who claim be civil are the same people who just start cussing and spitting at people asking why do you believe this ?, explain ____ to me or want to know their pov.

Why are they almost always so hostile ?, can they not express their view without attacking people ???
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Words have power. By allowing bad people to use their words, they might convince others to join their evil cause.

If Hitler was born mute, WW2 would have never happened

I started noticing the trend about 6 or 7 years ago. I was even more liberal then than I am now, but I noticed having different opinions about certain topics was enough to send others into a name-calling frenzy. It's definitely gotten worse recently though.

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Words have power. By allowing bad people to use their words, they might convince others to join their evil cause.

If Hitler was born mute, WW2 would have never happened

You can't assume that. He would of still tried and along with the tension at the time. Or someone else could have been a leader and be more successful
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i think one of the things that makes the left less likely to call this sort of thing out is a sort of awareness that the right is a continuous echo chamber, and, again, there is a race to the bottom.

interrupting your own side's narrative to try to tone-police is fundamentally harmful to it.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Words have power. By allowing bad people to use their words, they might convince others to join their evil cause.

If Hitler was born mute, WW2 would have never happened

What a story, Mark.
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It is funny and sad to see the left have emotional meltdowns and resort to violence when they don't get their way.
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Darkman124 posted...

i think one of the things that makes the left less likely to call this sort of thing out is a sort of awareness that the right is a continuous echo chamber,

The right frequently calls for debates there was one recently where the college Republicans hosted a liberal atheist event that the humanities department tried to get shut down. wtf are you talking about
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Darkman124 posted...

i think one of the things that makes the left less likely to call this sort of thing out is a sort of awareness that the right is a continuous echo chamber, and, again, there is a race to the bottom.

interrupting your own side's narrative to try to tone-police is fundamentally harmful to it.

But there's danger in not engaging, too. Agree or disagree with most of the things Jordan Peterson has said, but I thought he made a great point once in that the left is empowering the right in refusing to engage in discussion, because when someone is asking "why" and one side refuses to engage but the other is willing to talk, people are going to have to choose which side to trust, and the side opening a dialogue and trying to justify their position is going to look more reasonable.
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oh, i agree.
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The real irony is I used to be a democrat and more liberal in my thinking, all that changed the moments I was attacked for liking guns, being accused of being a sexist, and for saying I had no dog in the fight for LBGT issues not being for or against.

The day I turned from being a liberal however was when a man hating modern feminist claimed I was a rapist waiting to happen when I was still a virgin a few years ago.
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I think a large portion is that it's now the self esteem / participant trophy generation. People that have never really faced a challenge to their ego or given a dose of humility about how little they actually know about anything. They have decided they are 100% right and can never be wrong so the only people that would claim otherwise must be some evil space alien.

Yet at the core it's just whiny kids afraid someone is saying they're wrong or "here's the unintended side effects" in a way they can't (or would have to work hard to) properly counter.
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funny how that works. most of my core views lean left, but i absolutely despise most of the people on the left.

rabbi_baby posted...

Partisan hacks practicing identity politics.

Pretty much agree with this, this is what happens when you are heavily invested in identity politics.
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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/967966720018337797
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Dark_Spiret posted...

funny how that works. most of my core views lean left, but i absolutely despise most of the people on the left.

Yep, I used to be a DNC flag waving, TYT watching lefty...but over the past 8 years or so the party seems to have gone batshit insane.
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Seems kinda hard to ignore the party offering jobs when your party has gone off the deep end with the identity politics.
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Dark_Spiret posted...

funny how that works. most of my core views lean left, but i absolutely despise most of the people on the left.

I agree 100%

the majority of my core (social) views lean left, while I lean more fiscally right.

But I really hate what the far left has done to liberals. I'm embarrassed to call myself a liberal.
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guys. it's not liberals or leftists that are the problem. it's almost exclusively feminists.
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rabbi_baby posted...

Dark_Spiret posted...

funny how that works. most of my core views lean left, but i absolutely despise most of the people on the left.

Yep, I used to be a DNC flag waving, TYT watching lefty...but over the past 8 years or so the party seems to have gone batshit insane.

I'd say you growing up and having world experience helped with that mentality. I mean the left has definitely gotten worse, not denying that, but it makes you wonder.
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voldothegr8 posted...

rabbi_baby posted...

Dark_Spiret posted...

funny how that works. most of my core views lean left, but i absolutely despise most of the people on the left.

Yep, I used to be a DNC flag waving, TYT watching lefty...but over the past 8 years or so the party seems to have gone batshit insane.

I'd say you growing up and having world experience helped with that mentality. I mean the left has definitely gotten worse, not denying that, but it makes you wonder.

For the longest time I told myself it was "just the pendulum effect"...

Still waiting for it to swing the other way to bring itself back in balance.
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Dark_Spiret posted...

funny how that works. most of my core views lean left, but i absolutely despise most of the people on the left.

This. A lot of left wing values are fantastic, but I have always preferred right wing because I think it's the only realistic way to get all the crazies in the world to keep a lid on it.
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I've seen so many videos where the left has signs talking about no hate and then they scream hatefully at their opponent. or even attack them

rabbi_baby posted...

Partisan hacks.

Ultima Dragon posted...

savage beast, complete with foaming at the mouth.

HydraSlayer82 posted...

leftists cry sexist

The Admiral posted...

cognitive dissonance is temper tantrums

Offworlder1 posted...

they are the ones who riot, use violence, and once angered attack the opposing side instead of talking/debating.

DragonGirlYuki posted...

the left have emotional meltdowns and resort to violence

lightwarrior78 posted...

I think a large portion is that it's now the self esteem / participant trophy generation.

And you guys wonder why people "on the left" tend to be hostile with you, as if perhaps the negative rhetoric, bullshit pejoratives, and mocks and insults aren't common by everyone.

And see, that's the problem. Everyone, and I'll include myself in this, tends to have their own head shoved so far up their own partisan ass and feels that they know everything about every issue that when they see something they disagree with they fundamentally dismiss it at every level and resort to slinging shit back and forth. And I'm not acting like I have the answers in how to solve it, but a huge step would be in people acknowledging that they themselves do it
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