Current Events > Are you in a militia? No? Then why should you have a gun?

(+) Yeah! (+)

The right to bear arms was clearly intended to allow citizens to defend themselves, and as such allows for the organization of "well regulated militia". Simple solution to the gun issue, either register and join a well organized local militia or stop being a gun owner. Was that so hard? All this gun violence would stop since the militias would be able to easily keep tabs on their own members and would be able to determine who might not be trust worthy to own a gun, since any illegal activity from among their membership could jepordize the entire organization
---

Cause they are fun to shoot targets with
You ever go target shooting?
---

I am an one man militia.
---

Not since I was like 12, but it is pretty fun

You can target shoot as part of a militia, invalid argument
---

Not how the second amendment is stated.
Also, it's not like we've never had a problem with militias... >_>
---

Every able-bodied man ages 17-45 and not part of the state National Guard or Naval Militia are automatically a member of the unorganized militia (aka Reserve Militia) according to 10 USC 246, therefore by virtue of being in a militia, they also have the right to own guns suitable for combat. Q.E.D.
---

Paragon21XX posted...

Every able-bodied man ages 17-45 and not part of the state National Guard or Naval Militia are automatically a member of the unorganized militia (aka Reserve Militia) according to 10 USC 246, therefore by virtue of being in a militia, they also have the right to own guns suitable for combat. Q.E.D.

Tc's stupid ass argument just got destroyed
---

Hence my statement about a well organized militia. Get fucking rekt, gun nuts
---

i think its funny that many of the same people who say "you must respect our troops. we have the best, strongest military on the planet (which isn't false). No other Nation's can stop us!"...are also the same people who think their hunting rifle collection will be powerful enough to stop that same military should the need arise...
---

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Paragon21XX posted...

Every able-bodied man ages 17-45 and not part of the state National Guard or Naval Militia are automatically a member of the unorganized militia (aka Reserve Militia) according to 10 USC 246, therefore by virtue of being in a militia, they also have the right to own guns suitable for combat. Q.E.D.

Tc's stupid ass argument just got destroyed

It doesn't usually take much for anti-gun dorks lol.
---

TheVipaGTS posted...

i think its funny that many of the same people who say "you must respect our troops. we have the best, strongest military on the planet (which isn't false). No other Nation's can stop us!"...are also the same people who think their hunting rifle collection will be powerful enough to stop that same military should the need arise...

Their counter is that the military would join us and bring their gear... which makes it kind of irrelevant that we have them in the first place tbh. Wed already have zero hope WITHOUT military defectors.
---

TheVipaGTS posted...

i think its funny that many of the same people who say "you must respect our troops. we have the best, strongest military on the planet (which isn't false). No other Nation's can stop us!"...are also the same people who think their hunting rifle collection will be powerful enough to stop that same military should the need arise...

Implying the government would start bombing civilians. Implying the military would follow those orders.
---

A group of thugs break into your home. Your only weapon of choice is a bat, a set of kitchen knives, and whatever blunt objects are nearby. Yet these thugs have guns......

byron posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

i think its funny that many of the same people who say "you must respect our troops. we have the best, strongest military on the planet (which isn't false). No other Nation's can stop us!"...are also the same people who think their hunting rifle collection will be powerful enough to stop that same military should the need arise...

Implying the government would start bombing civilians. Implying the military would follow those orders.

So we don't need the 2nd amendment?

Lol damn.
---

Thugs wouldn't have guns either. Felony with a gun is now automatic death penalty
---

fire_bolt posted...

Thugs wouldn't have guns either. Felony with a gun is now automatic death penalty

Brilliant...
---

byron posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

i think its funny that many of the same people who say "you must respect our troops. we have the best, strongest military on the planet (which isn't false). No other Nation's can stop us!"...are also the same people who think their hunting rifle collection will be powerful enough to stop that same military should the need arise...

Implying the government would start bombing civilians. Implying the military would follow those orders.

So we don't need the 2nd amendment?

No. It keeps the government honest. Not having the entirety of military or not having bombing runs doesn't mean you need no defense.
---

the entire design of the militia was that it was EVERYONE and required you already having a firearm to form one. literally you took your rifle off the mantel and formed a group in your community.

fire_bolt posted...

Thugs wouldn't have guns either. Felony with a gun is now automatic death penalty

now the insanity really comes through
---

TheVipaGTS posted...

i think its funny that many of the same people who say "you must respect our troops. we have the best, strongest military on the planet (which isn't false). No other Nation's can stop us!"...are also the same people who think their hunting rifle collection will be powerful enough to stop that same military should the need arise...

Because it's not like the Taliban, the Vietcong, Iraqi insurgents etc have ever given the US military trouble, despite being far less well equipped....

The "they have helicopters, tanks and bombs!" argument makes no sense, because no government/military is just going to slaughter all their people, they need boots on the ground to control the populace as well.

byron posted...

You just said the government wouldn't bomb civilians and that the military wouldn't even carry out orders against the people. What's to be kept honest if none of those things will happen?

the start of a authoritarian system starts small to the point that you may not see anything wrong with it at first or think its negligible. you get told more and more what you can and cant do, what you can and cant buy, what you can and cant look at. they install more and more rules that peck away at your liberties until you are left with nothing, but a husk of a society.

guns are a means of keeping the system in check and blocking what the govt. can and cant get away with. they are a deterrent of the system and is something thats ALWAYS restricted first to set up that system.

You know who else banned guns?

Adolf, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc...
---

You really think if our government got so tyrannical that they were about to impose rule that would force us to grab our guns and react with violence they wouldnt sacrifice a few of us to get their point across and force order? It would just be a Wild West shoot out on capital hill? Come on, now...
---

Where did you see a gun ban suggested, @APM? Regulation=/= ban, although I know gun nuts try to equate the two.
---

byron posted...

If they truly wanted to, they'd wreck everyone's shit with drones before Bubba could hit Walmart to load up on ammo.

The point is, EVENTUALLY, they would have to send actual people in to confront Bubba. The drone strikes won't kill all the Bubbas.

I mean, wtf did Trump drop on the Taliban? the MOAB? Yet we haven't won the war decisively.

Because im an american citizen over the age of 18 and im not a violent felon...thus me owning a gun is my american right.

/topic
---

@fire_bolt posted...

Where did you see a gun ban suggested, @APM? Regulation=/= ban, although I know gun nuts try to equate the two.

ok let me rephrase that

You know who else """regulated""" guns?

Adolf, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc...
---

TheVipaGTS posted...

i think its funny that many of the same people who say "you must respect our troops. we have the best, strongest military on the planet (which isn't false). No other Nation's can stop us!"...are also the same people who think their hunting rifle collection will be powerful enough to stop that same military should the need arise...

Everytime you say this dumbass post....it grts destroyed...Everytime
---

Also in the second amendment: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
---

If you *actually* study the 2A, the spirit of it was written to allow individuals to own weapons whether or not they were in a militia.
---

APM posted...

@fire_bolt posted...

Where did you see a gun ban suggested, @APM? Regulation=/= ban, although I know gun nuts try to equate the two.

ok let me rephrase that

You know who else """regulated""" guns?

Adolf, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc...

What a piss poor argument

"And Japan, and just about every euro nation, and Australia, and Canada, etc etc
---

gmanthebest posted...

Also in the second amendment: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Notice the words there

Second "amendment"
---

Samurontai posted...

APM posted...

@fire_bolt posted...

Where did you see a gun ban suggested, @APM? Regulation=/= ban, although I know gun nuts try to equate the two.

ok let me rephrase that

You know who else """regulated""" guns?

Adolf, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc...

What a piss poor argument

"And Japan, and just about every euro nation, and Australia, and Canada, etc etc

Well to be fair you have piss poor reason to be alive trying to restrict people's rights
---

No revolution or insurgency in the history of mankind has ever succeeded, because the government has better stuff and just kills everyone, and/or people just give up after they get bombed, every time./s

If I had the money, I'd found Cobra.
---

To protect my family and property when it becomes necessary

TheCyborgNinja posted...

If I had the money, I'd found Cobra.

I mean there has to be some kind of regulations on weather dominators.
---

You know who else regulates guns? Every other first world country. They also all have lower crime rates than us, and that's PER CAPTIA as well as overall, so spouting shit about us having a larger population is pointless
---

TheVipaGTS posted...

i think its funny that many of the same people who say "you must respect our troops. we have the best, strongest military on the planet (which isn't false). No other Nation's can stop us!"...are also the same people who think their hunting rifle collection will be powerful enough to stop that same military should the need arise...

Your argument was the same argument during the early stages of the Vietnam war. "Oh, the US totally outclasses the NVA in every way! This war will be over in less than a week!" See how that turned out?
---

Itachi157 posted...

No revolution or insurgency in the history of mankind has ever succeeded, because the government has better stuff and just kills everyone, and/or people just give up after they get bombed, every time./s

This is just willful ignorance.
---

Samurontai posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Also in the second amendment: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Notice the words there

Second "amendment"

Wow, you understand words. Good job!
---

fire_bolt posted...

You know who else regulates guns? Every other first world country. They also all have lower crime rates than us, and that's PER CAPTIA as well as overall, so spouting shit about us having a larger population is pointless

I mean we do have a larger population of those people
---

FrankIin posted...

This is just willful ignorance.

How?

Samurontai posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Also in the second amendment: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Notice the words there

Second "amendment"

And that means what exactly?
---

I mean, to be fair during the Vietnam war our military was not allowed to fight at it's full strength. Limited troops were shipped, only small bombs were used, etc. If we'd dropped the full might of the US on them we could have turned the country into a barren wasteland without using nukes. Instead, our government was only willing to half ass it and as a result it went kinda sideways
---

Haha are there seriously still people arguing for a gun ban?

byron posted...

If they truly wanted to, they'd wreck everyone's shit with drones before Bubba could hit Walmart to load up on ammo.

the military does not have a front line with the civilian population which is who an actual insurgency would consist of. the military is mixed in with the civilian populations and bases are surrounded by civilian towns. it would be an absolute bloodbath and youd have thousands of forces cut off as supply lines are disrupted and airports are over taken. if you really wanted to turn the population further on the govt then you can very easily take down the power grid causing more civilians to take up arms.

also while the civilian populations dont have the best body armor or heavy weapons they do tend to have a few big factors on their side. 1. the US has been at war for a very long time and has amassed a large veteran population who knows how the military works along with bubba's who put together make shit crap all the time so you have a supply of IED's and unlike the deserts of iraq theres a lot of wooded areas, natural chokepoints and large cities that would make either collateral damage a major problem or would be hard to actually find a target in. this comes down to needing boots on the group to really get things done. 2. a lot of gun owners have been to the range FAR more than most military personnel and tend to camp and do out door activities far more as well. thats not a replacement for military training, but many people also woudlnt be completely green to their situation. 3. the military tends to have better body armor and heavy weapons, but funny enough they tend to get under equipped when it comes to a lot of other factors(largely due to bulk buying cheaper variants to save costs) which are things that civilians have better access to as far as newer versions of military items (watches, flashlights, optics, general camping equipment ect.).