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Sephiroth1288 02/24/18 10:23:52 PM #51:	JE19426 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... That's why comparing gun laws to murder laws is a false equivalence. No it's not. A comparison is not an equivalence and therefore can't be a false equivalence. Murder, theft, assault, libel, etc: should be illegal because it harms someone Owning a gun: should not be illegal because it harms no one Understand now? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896712205] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>That's why comparing gun laws to murder laws is a false equivalence.</quote> No it's not. A comparison is not an equivalence and therefore can't be a false equivalence.</quote> Murder, theft, assault, libel, etc: should be illegal because it harms someone Owning a gun: should not be illegal because it harms no one Understand now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 02/25/18 3:26:28 AM #52:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Murder, theft, assault, libel, etc: should be illegal because it harms someone Owning a gun: should not be illegal because it harms no one Understand now No, I don't. How does that make a comparison an equivalence? <cite>JE19426 posted [p:896724649] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Murder, theft, assault, libel, etc: should be illegal because it harms someone Owning a gun: should not be illegal because it harms no one Understand now</quote> No, I don't. How does that make a comparison an equivalence?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/25/18 3:38:49 AM #53:	JE19426 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Murder, theft, assault, libel, etc: should be illegal because it harms someone Owning a gun: should not be illegal because it harms no one Understand now No, I don't. How does that make a comparison an equivalence? You said something to the effect of: "If people are going to make guns illegally anyway, why have laws against murder since people will do that anyway?" This is a false equivalence because murder is completely dissimilar from having a gun in every meaningful way. Murder, theft, arson, and the like should be illegal because those are actions that harm others, which makes it irrelevant how hard it might be to solve those crimes. Having a gun should not be illegal because it harms no one, and also it would be virtually impossible to enforce a law against obtaining a gun you made yourself. Let me know if I need to use smaller words --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896724924] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Murder, theft, assault, libel, etc: should be illegal because it harms someone Owning a gun: should not be illegal because it harms no one Understand now</quote> No, I don't. How does that make a comparison an equivalence?</quote> You said something to the effect of: "If people are going to make guns illegally anyway, why have laws against murder since people will do that anyway?" This is a false equivalence because murder is completely dissimilar from having a gun in every meaningful way. Murder, theft, arson, and the like should be illegal because those are actions that harm others, which makes it irrelevant how hard it might be to solve those crimes. Having a gun should not be illegal because it harms no one, and also it would be virtually impossible to enforce a law against obtaining a gun you made yourself. Let me know if I need to use smaller words</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 02/25/18 3:40:30 AM #54:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Murder, theft, arson, and the like should be illegal because those are actions that harm others, which makes it irrelevant how hard it might be to solve those crimes. Having a gun should not be illegal because it harms no one, and also it would be virtually impossible to enforce a law against obtaining a gun you made yourself. Let me know if I need to use smaller words How does any of that make a comparison an equivalence? <cite>JE19426 posted [p:896724954] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Murder, theft, arson, and the like should be illegal because those are actions that harm others, which makes it irrelevant how hard it might be to solve those crimes. Having a gun should not be illegal because it harms no one, and also it would be virtually impossible to enforce a law against obtaining a gun you made yourself. Let me know if I need to use smaller words</quote> How does any of that make a comparison an equivalence?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/25/18 3:41:52 AM #55:	JE19426 posted... How does any of that make a comparison an equivalence? You said something to the effect of: "If people are going to make guns illegally anyway, why have laws against murder since people will do that anyway?" You made an equivalence between the acts of making a gun at home and murder, as if the reasoning for making something illegal were the same in both instances. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896724982] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>How does any of that make a comparison an equivalence?</quote> You said something to the effect of: "If people are going to make guns illegally anyway, why have laws against murder since people will do that anyway?" You made an equivalence between the acts of making a gun at home and murder, as if the reasoning for making something illegal were the same in both instances.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 02/25/18 4:21:06 AM #56:	Sephiroth1288 posted... You said something to the effect of: "If people are going to make guns illegally anyway, why have laws against murder since people will do that anyway?" Wrong. You made an equivalence between the acts of making a gun at home and murder, as if the reasoning for making something illegal were the same in both instances. Also wrong. None of your posts have explained how comparisons are equivalence. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:896725795] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You said something to the effect of: "If people are going to make guns illegally anyway, why have laws against murder since people will do that anyway?"</quote> Wrong. <quote>You made an equivalence between the acts of making a gun at home and murder, as if the reasoning for making something illegal were the same in both instances.</quote> Also wrong. None of your posts have explained how comparisons are equivalence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/25/18 4:35:19 AM #57:	JE19426 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... You said something to the effect of: "If people are going to make guns illegally anyway, why have laws against murder since people will do that anyway?" Wrong. You made an equivalence between the acts of making a gun at home and murder, as if the reasoning for making something illegal were the same in both instances. Also wrong. None of your posts have explained how comparisons are equivalence. JE19426 posted... What a dumb topic this is. You might as well ask why we should any laws when people can break them. This suggests that all laws are somehow equivalent in some fashion. They are not. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896726077] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You said something to the effect of: "If people are going to make guns illegally anyway, why have laws against murder since people will do that anyway?"</quote> Wrong. <quote>You made an equivalence between the acts of making a gun at home and murder, as if the reasoning for making something illegal were the same in both instances.</quote> Also wrong. None of your posts have explained how comparisons are equivalence.</quote> <cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>What a dumb topic this is. You might as well ask why we should any laws when people can break them.</quote> This suggests that all laws are somehow equivalent in some fashion. They are not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 02/25/18 4:59:18 AM #58:	Sephiroth1288 posted... This suggests that all laws are somehow equivalent in some fashion. They are not. Wrong. They are equivalent in that making something illegal prevents people from doing it. None of your posts have explained how comparisons are equivalence. Are you going to explain how comparisons are equivalences. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:896726541] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>This suggests that all laws are somehow equivalent in some fashion. They are not.</quote> Wrong. They are equivalent in that making something illegal prevents people from doing it. None of your posts have explained how comparisons are equivalence. Are you going to explain how comparisons are equivalences.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/25/18 5:02:42 AM #59:	Do the cars and seatbelts comparison --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:896726596] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote>Do the cars and seatbelts comparison</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/25/18 5:50:09 AM #60:	JE19426 posted... Wrong. They are equivalent in that making something illegal prevents people from doing it. None of your posts have explained how comparisons are equivalence. Are you going to explain how comparisons are equivalences. You literally used the word "equivalent" to describe what you said. Now are you going to continue arguing semantics or will you admit your comment was dumb? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896727400] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote> Wrong. They are equivalent in that making something illegal prevents people from doing it. None of your posts have explained how comparisons are equivalence. Are you going to explain how comparisons are equivalences.</quote> You literally used the word "equivalent" to describe what you said. Now are you going to continue arguing semantics or will you admit your comment was dumb?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 02/25/18 5:57:00 AM #61:	Sephiroth1288 posted... You literally used the word "equivalent" to describe what you said. Now are you going to continue arguing semantics or will you admit your comment was dumb? I'm not sure what you are on about. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:896727519] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You literally used the word "equivalent" to describe what you said. Now are you going to continue arguing semantics or will you admit your comment was dumb?</quote> I'm not sure what you are on about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/25/18 6:33:31 AM #62:	JE19426 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... You literally used the word "equivalent" to describe what you said. Now are you going to continue arguing semantics or will you admit your comment was dumb? I'm not sure what you are on about. You described the situations as "equivalent" and deny you were making an equivalence...and you don't even realize how insane you sound XD --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896728096] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>You literally used the word "equivalent" to describe what you said. Now are you going to continue arguing semantics or will you admit your comment was dumb?</quote> I'm not sure what you are on about.</quote> You described the situations as "equivalent" and deny you were making an equivalence...and you don't even realize how insane you sound XD</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 02/25/18 6:59:47 AM #63:	Sephiroth1288 posted... You described the situations as "equivalent" and deny you were making an equivalence...and you don't even realize how insane you sound XD I never denied making an equivalence. I denied making false equivalence. Those are two different things. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:896728540] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> You described the situations as "equivalent" and deny you were making an equivalence...and you don't even realize how insane you sound XD</quote> I never denied making an equivalence. I denied making false equivalence. Those are two different things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/25/18 7:40:15 AM #64:	JE19426 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... You described the situations as "equivalent" and deny you were making an equivalence...and you don't even realize how insane you sound XD I never denied making an equivalence. JE19426 posted... No it's not. A comparison is not an equivalence and therefore can't be a false equivalence. Just lol. JE19426 posted... I denied making a false equivalence. Those are two different things. The equivalence is false because of reasons I've already gone over exhaustively. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896729281] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> You described the situations as "equivalent" and deny you were making an equivalence...and you don't even realize how insane you sound XD</quote> I never denied making an equivalence.</quote> <cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>No it's not. A comparison is not an equivalence and therefore can't be a false equivalence.</quote> Just lol. <cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>I denied making a false equivalence. Those are two different things.</quote> The equivalence is false because of reasons I've already gone over exhaustively.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 02/25/18 7:43:56 AM #65:	Sephiroth1288 posted... JE19426 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... You described the situations as "equivalent" and deny you were making an equivalence...and you don't even realize how insane you sound XD I never denied making an equivalence. JE19426 posted... No it's not. A comparison is not an equivalence and therefore can't be a false equivalence. Just lol. I'm not sure what think funny. JE19426 posted... I denied making a false equivalence. Those are two different things. The equivalence is false because of reasons I've already gone over exhaustively. No, it's not false equivalence. All acts are equivalent in that making the act illegal doesn't stop people committing the act. You can accept or you can argue that at least some (if not all) acts being outlawed will stop people committing those acts. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:896729355] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> You described the situations as "equivalent" and deny you were making an equivalence...and you don't even realize how insane you sound XD</quote> I never denied making an equivalence.</quote> <cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>No it's not. A comparison is not an equivalence and therefore can't be a false equivalence.</quote> Just lol.</quote> I'm not sure what think funny. <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>I denied making a false equivalence. Those are two different things.</quote> The equivalence is false because of reasons I've already gone over exhaustively.</quote> No, it's not false equivalence. All acts are equivalent in that making the act illegal doesn't stop people committing the act. You can accept or you can argue that at least some (if not all) acts being outlawed will stop people committing those acts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/25/18 7:45:06 AM #66:	JE19426 posted... No it's not false equivalence. All acts are equivalent in that making the act illegal doesn't stop people committing the act. Things are illegal in order to punish the person doing it. No sane person believes making something illegal will stop that thing from happening. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896729382] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>No it's not false equivalence. All acts are equivalent in that making the act illegal doesn't stop people committing the act. </quote> Things are illegal in order to punish the person doing it. No sane person believes making something illegal will stop that thing from happening.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 02/25/18 7:47:16 AM #67:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Things are illegal in order to punish the person doing it. No sane person believes making something illegal will stop that thing from happening. So you agree that they are equivalent in that respect? Therefore my equivalence was a valid equivalence. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:896729426] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Things are illegal in order to punish the person doing it. No sane person believes making something illegal will stop that thing from happening.</quote> So you agree that they are equivalent in that respect? Therefore my equivalence was a valid equivalence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/25/18 6:21:39 PM #68:	JE19426 posted... So you agree that they are equivalent in that respect? Sure but that's not the respect you used it in. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896756555] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>So you agree that they are equivalent in that respect?</quote> Sure but that's not the respect you used it in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 02/25/18 7:27:25 PM #69:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Sure but that's not the respect you used it in. It's exactly the respect I used it in. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:896759891] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Sure but that's not the respect you used it in. </quote> It's exactly the respect I used it in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
itachi15243 02/25/18 7:50:02 PM #70:	"Gun control is dead because now you can buy the parts, wait for them to ship, buy a milling machine, get the build off the internet, then build yourself a gun. This is much more dangerous and illegal, but way easier than driving down to the local Walmart and filling out a form." --- I do drawings and stuff https://www.fiverr.com/blueblitz <cite>itachi15243 posted [p:896761029] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote>"Gun control is dead because now you can buy the parts, wait for them to ship, buy a milling machine, get the build off the internet, then build yourself a gun. This is much more dangerous and illegal, but way easier than driving down to the local Walmart and filling out a form."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/25/18 7:50:41 PM #71:	itachi15243 posted... "Gun control is dead because now you can buy the parts, wait for them to ship, buy a milling machine, get the build off the internet, then build yourself a gun. This is much more dangerous and illegal, It actually isn't. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:896761069] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote><cite>itachi15243 posted...</cite> <quote>"Gun control is dead because now you can buy the parts, wait for them to ship, buy a milling machine, get the build off the internet, then build yourself a gun. This is much more dangerous and illegal,</quote> It actually isn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 02/25/18 8:09:22 PM #72:	So what, are gangs gonna start Build-A-Gun-ing in Europe --- https://i.imgur.com/tviNQV5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SJT9tyG.png <cite>Doe posted [p:896762106] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote>So what, are gangs gonna start Build-A-Gun-ing in Europe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 02/25/18 8:14:22 PM #73:	Might as well sell heroin and crystal meth at Wal-Mart. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:896762407] in Gun contro... [t:76348553]...</cite> <quote>Might as well sell heroin and crystal meth at Wal-Mart.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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