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Atheism was at its peak on youtube around when I was questioning my faith at like 13-ish. I had questions like "How come there's other religions where people are equally convinced of their relationship with their god?" "Why would God send people to hell for eternity?" "Why does God leave so little evidence and allow so much stuff that is contradictory to biblical claims to exist?" This was intermixed somewhat with stuff like evolution and how basically science itself is being denied by people
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cuz I grew up in an intensively broken home for 10 years that absolutely shattered me to the core where else I would have been a successful human being, but now I'm just another sheep working a dead end job w the same disabilities that everyone on this site claims to have (anxiety & depression) that I have to power thru every day just to get to the next one.

If God exists, he is dead.
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juicebox4 posted...

cuz I grew up in an intensively broken home for 10 years that absolutely shattered me to the core where else I would have been a successful human being, but now I'm just another sheep working a dead end job w the same disabilities that everyone on this site claims to have (anxiety & depression) that I have to power thru every day just to get to the next one.

If God exists, he is dead.

That's only a step above not believing because you're pissed about being made to go to church as a kid.

TheGrindery posted...

juicebox4 posted...

cuz I grew up in an intensively broken home for 10 years that absolutely shattered me to the core where else I would have been a successful human being, but now I'm just another sheep working a dead end job w the same disabilities that everyone on this site claims to have (anxiety & depression) that I have to power thru every day just to get to the next one.

If God exists, he is dead.

That's only a step above not believing because you're pissed about being made to go to church as a kid.

I was never made to to go to church lol I just witnessed my mom be beat physically and emotionally every weekend til I was 11, grew to dread weekends and lost my ability to freely express myself because I was in constant fear for my life.

but yeah, you know me.
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TheGrindery posted...

juicebox4 posted...

cuz I grew up in an intensively broken home for 10 years that absolutely shattered me to the core where else I would have been a successful human being, but now I'm just another sheep working a dead end job w the same disabilities that everyone on this site claims to have (anxiety & depression) that I have to power thru every day just to get to the next one.

If God exists, he is dead.

That's only a step above not believing because you're pissed about being made to go to church as a kid.

Honestly, why would anyone believe in the traditional God of the big monotheistic religions? If he exists, then he is a petty, genocidal maniac who lets innocent people die when he doesn't feel they believe hard enough in him while he stays hidden.

It boggles my mind that there are people out there that honestly think something like a school shooting is a result of not loving God enough and STILL express love for him. That's an abusive relationship in steroids.
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I'm just saying... it makes more sense to have a logical reason rather than an emotional one. Free will would mean bad shit gets to happen.

And for the record, I'm not a believer.

hockeybub89 posted...

TheGrindery posted...

juicebox4 posted...

cuz I grew up in an intensively broken home for 10 years that absolutely shattered me to the core where else I would have been a successful human being, but now I'm just another sheep working a dead end job w the same disabilities that everyone on this site claims to have (anxiety & depression) that I have to power thru every day just to get to the next one.

If God exists, he is dead.

That's only a step above not believing because you're pissed about being made to go to church as a kid.

Honestly, why would anyone believe in the traditional God of the big monotheistic religions? If he exists, then he is a petty, genocidal maniac who lets innocent people die when he doesn't feel they believe hard enough in him while he stays hidden.

he gets it.
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I've had no reason too. Usually people seek God when they need help, every problem I've ever had I've solved with help from others or on my own.
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TheGrindery posted...

I'm just saying... it makes more sense to have a logical reason rather than an emotional one. Free will would mean bad shit gets to happen.

And for the record, I'm not a believer.

and I hear that. I'm just sayin, that's my reason. my mother is a saint, yet my pops got off scott free for that shit. he's dead to me, so is God.
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TheGrindery posted...

We are cut off from most of existence even if we were able to travel at nearly light speed.

How could I bullshit myself into thinking the universe is FOR us?

We're the only species on the only planet in the only solar system in the only galaxy that matters in the universe AND the creator LOOKS LIKE US TOO!

Yeah....THAT'S not a load of self-serving bullshit..

you quoted yourself lollll
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It was important enough to say again.

- TheGrindery

TheGrindery posted...

I'm just saying... it makes more sense to have a logical reason rather than an emotional one. Free will would mean bad shit gets to happen.

And for the record, I'm not a believer.

This is a fair assessment, and while there are plenty of non-believers who are so because of emotional reasoning, which I do tend to roll my eyes at, I'm inclined to think that the ratio of people who base their belief or lack thereof on emotion rather than logic is higher in believers than non-believers. I've never encountered a religious person who has reasoning based more on logic than emotion. I'm actually quite curious how someone would arrive at religion through high-logical, low-emotional means.
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no cause it never made sense to me. growing up around different religions made me non religious
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

TheGrindery posted...

I'm just saying... it makes more sense to have a logical reason rather than an emotional one. Free will would mean bad shit gets to happen.

And for the record, I'm not a believer.

This is a fair assessment, and while there are plenty of non-believers who are so because of emotional reasoning, which I do tend to roll my eyes at, I'm inclined to think that the ratio of people who base their belief or lack thereof on emotion rather than logic is higher in believers than non-believers. I've never encountered a religious person who has reasoning based more on logic than emotion. I'm actually quite curious how someone would arrive at religion through high-logical, low-emotional means.

When I believed, I would hang onto this.

Everything is made up of other things. Break it down to atoms, quarks..or whatever else we find out next. Something HAD to be first, though. That's two perfectly logical statements that are in direct conflict. Logic apparently fails.

lol

he doesn't believe in me
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ThyCorndog posted...

no cause it never made sense to me. growing up around different religions made me non religious

Ditto.
~Jewish mom and stepdad
~Vaguely generic Christian sisters
~Dad and stepmom who believe in the Bible, plus crystal healing, plus Native American spiritualism, plus reincarnation and past lives, plus Mormonism (on the stepmom's side)
~Multiple Muslim friends

All claiming to be exclusively correct. Well - that poses something of a problem.
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TheGrindery posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

TheGrindery posted...

I'm just saying... it makes more sense to have a logical reason rather than an emotional one. Free will would mean bad shit gets to happen.

And for the record, I'm not a believer.

This is a fair assessment, and while there are plenty of non-believers who are so because of emotional reasoning, which I do tend to roll my eyes at, I'm inclined to think that the ratio of people who base their belief or lack thereof on emotion rather than logic is higher in believers than non-believers. I've never encountered a religious person who has reasoning based more on logic than emotion. I'm actually quite curious how someone would arrive at religion through high-logical, low-emotional means.

When I believed, I would hang onto this.

Everything is made up of other things. Break it down to atoms, quarks..or whatever else we find out next. Something HAD to be first, though. That's two perfectly logical statements that are in direct conflict. Logic apparently fails.

lol

The first part is perfectly logical and I completely agree with it and it coincides directly with my beliefs. While I think all religious theism is asinine, I can plausibly see the "made up of other things" logic applied outwardly to suggest the possibility, perhaps even likelihood of a higher form of life/plane of existence/etc. I'm agnostic and that's probably the most accurate brief summary of my beliefs that I could give.
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LinksLiege posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

no cause it never made sense to me. growing up around different religions made me non religious

Ditto.
~Jewish mom and stepdad
~Vaguely generic Christian sisters
~Dad and stepmom who believe in the Bible, plus crystal healing, plus Native American spiritualism, plus reincarnation and past lives, plus Mormonism (on the stepmom's side)
~Multiple Muslim friends

All claiming to be exclusively correct. Well - that poses something of a problem.

yep. I realized I was an atheist as soon as I gave any thought to religion at all. there's too many baseless, conflicting claims. they can't all be right, so I'm not going to just pick one "just cause"
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I would recommend to all of you...

Astrophysics For People In A Hurry by Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Great book.

Because my apostles got overrun by Scythia's
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I have no reason to.
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Okay, just to give this thread some more longevity...

This thread is asking why you don't believe in God rather than asking about any specific God/Goddess/multiples. This means "disproving" Christianity or Islam doesn't constitute a "win".

TheGrindery posted...

Okay, just to give this thread some more longevity...

This thread is asking why you don't believe in God rather than asking about any specific God/Goddess/multiples. This means "disproving" Christianity or Islam doesn't constitute a "win".

Actually capitalizing god implies a specific god so....

Hexagon posted...

TheGrindery posted...

Okay, just to give this thread some more longevity...

This thread is asking why you don't believe in God rather than asking about any specific God/Goddess/multiples. This means "disproving" Christianity or Islam doesn't constitute a "win".

Actually capitalizing god implies a specific god so....

I'm just used to it. Either way, the concept of eternity is a torture in itself regardless of if it is heaven or hell.

TheGrindery posted...

Hexagon posted...

TheGrindery posted...

Okay, just to give this thread some more longevity...

This thread is asking why you don't believe in God rather than asking about any specific God/Goddess/multiples. This means "disproving" Christianity or Islam doesn't constitute a "win".

Actually capitalizing god implies a specific god so....

I'm just used to it. Either way, the concept of eternity is a torture in itself regardless of if it is heaven or hell.

I'm just saying that the thread title has the word "God" not "god" and people associate capital G with those religions so ita not their fault

Because what's the point? I don't believe in an afterlife, and things just happen, good and bad.

TheGrindery posted...

Hexagon posted...

TheGrindery posted...

Okay, just to give this thread some more longevity...

This thread is asking why you don't believe in God rather than asking about any specific God/Goddess/multiples. This means "disproving" Christianity or Islam doesn't constitute a "win".

Actually capitalizing god implies a specific god so....

I'm just used to it. Either way, the concept of eternity is a torture in itself regardless of if it is heaven or hell.

I believe it's a DMT trip and with the body dying along with the organs that metabolize it, the time time distortion gets extended and stretched. It might be "eternity" in the consciousness of the dying brain or it could be something else. Some believe it is the key to transcendence. I don't know one way or another. The major unknown is what happens in the event of death by or including brain trauma. If someone dies in such a way where their head literally explodes, is there enough time for the chemical to start its effect? That's the one major potential flaw in my belief that isn't accounted for.

Still the dmt effect is real, and imo that is what is actually happening during near death experiences. Just that in those cases, since they don't fully die/remain dead, it is in fact metabolized.
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Did you watch the MIND FIELD episode about Ayahuasca? That sounds like the kind of thing everybody who isn't allergic should experience at some point.

I really want to.

My reasoning is more simple and selfish in nature, tbh.

I want human accomplishments to be credited to humans and humans alone. Not some god who conveniently is awarded credit for fortune while the devil is credited with everything bad.

I don't believe in absolute good or absolute evil. If god was so invested in the lives of humans to the point he'd help your daughter pass a test because she prayed or give Uncle Jerry the winning numbers in the lottery, he'd also be responsible for why your husband got into that car crash or why you can never find the TV remote.

It's pure laziness to me that if something good happens, "God was looking out for you". While if something bad happens, "it's the Devil's work".

Nevermind the flawed logic of writing the devil off as evil after hearing one side of the story.

I dislike how much praise god is given without, imo, having earned it. Too much suffering goes on unjustified for me to believe there's an all-loving god around. I look forward to dying to find out the truth. Because I could do a better job than him if he's up there. It takes a human to help humans. Not a god who can't understand us. As if living under his love is an actual reward after death. Spare me.
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God and Satan are a way to keep people behaving properly while nobody is looking. It does so by taking advantage of the fact that nobody can yet explain the origin of existence.

It just seems like there isn't one to me. Like I see a reason and an explanation for everything in the universe. The big bang makes total sense to me and I really just don't see anything that would necessitate the existence of a god. So imo if there is a god, it hasn't even had an impact on our universe.
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The reason why people don't believe in God is because they don't have any evidence for this belief.

It's not a matter of believing in God, it's a matter of knowing whether God exists or not.

You truly believe in God when you perceive God. Without this perception, it is true that you're just deceiving yourself.

People who don't believe in God are just being honest about their lack of perception of God.

When you perceive God, it's not a question about whether I believe in Him or not. That's like asking me whether I believe in my own existence.

This is why it's practically impossible to prove God's existence to someone who doesn't believe in Him. You need evidence for this sort of proof. This evidence is not that easy to come by.
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TheGrindery posted...

Did you watch the MIND FIELD episode about Ayahuasca? That sounds like the kind of thing everybody who isn't allergic should experience at some point.

I really want to.

I haven't seen that. I did see something though about a dude who would take heroin addicts to Mexico and give them that and it got them completely through the withdrawal by the end of their trip.

Don't know much else about the stuff but it seems interesting. I'm not really good with psychedelic/dissociative stuff so I don't know if I'd trust myself, but I would be interested in at the very least looking into it and discussing it with people who have done and know it well. If after that they essentially gave me the green light, I'd do it in a safe environment with professionals on hand in case I start losing my shit.
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Well if they do a brain scan before and after, the after shows way more of your brain lit up with colors. I can't help but wonder what it might do for people with all sorts of disorders or disabilities.

TheGrindery posted...

Well if they do a brain scan before and after, the after shows way more of your brain lit up with colors. I can't help but wonder what it might do for people with all sorts of disorders or disabilities.

Hmm. Definitely worth looking into.
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Hmm...
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