Current Events > Other countries ban guns and have less gun deaths than the U.S.

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Why is it so fucking impossible here?

I don't care if it takes a Supreme Court decision or an amendment to the constitution. There are certain types of guns that you shouldn't be able to buy, period.
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Well

Gun culture for one
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SilvosForever posted...

I don't care

and I don't care about a few measly thousand gun deaths a year.
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https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A5.html

Supreme Court decision

That'll be an interesting day, then a pretty awful couple of years.

Imagine owning a nice affordable house, 2 cars, multiple firearms, having safe schools, being able to afford good health insurance for a family, and never having heard a gunshot aside from being at the rifle range.

God damn I love this middle class American suburban life.

Don't change a thing, please.
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some countries ban guns and have considerably higher deaths in general. others have a LOT of other factors that help to keep gun violence down. some others replace their gun deaths with other forms of violence.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

SilvosForever posted...

I don't care

and I don't care about a few measly thousand gun deaths a year.

Well at least youre honest about it
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Ultimately, many in America seem to think children being gunned down every few years is a sacrifice worth paying to not make any meaningful discussion on gun control. You don't need to go as far as places like Britain and Australia did after they had school shootings (gun bans) but you'd think people would be at least willing to have tighter control and harsher punishments for any caught having a gun illegally.
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Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

SilvosForever posted...

I don't care

and I don't care about a few measly thousand gun deaths a year.

Well at least youre honest about it

The harsh reality is that 15,549 out of 325,719,178 is statistically insignificant.

sources:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216
https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/gun-deaths-increase-2017/

Funkydog posted...

Ultimately, many in America seem to think children being gunned down every few years is a sacrifice worth paying to not make any meaningful discussion on gun control. You don't need to go as far as places like Britain and Australia did after they had school shootings (gun bans) but you'd think people would be at least willing to have tighter control and harsher punishments for any caught having a gun illegally.

Pretty much. I'm not too worried about ever getting shot. I'd rather have my freedoms and deal with the occasional (but blown out of proportion and propagated by the media cause $$$$$$$$) than hand over everything and put 100% of my trust in Trump.

In Trump We Trust. Take our weapons.
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Won't change anything
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voldothegr8 posted...

Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens.

The IS government is not afraid of its citizens.
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Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Ultimately, many in America seem to think children being gunned down every few years is a sacrifice worth paying to not make any meaningful discussion on gun control. You don't need to go as far as places like Britain and Australia did after they had school shootings (gun bans) but you'd think people would be at least willing to have tighter control and harsher punishments for any caught having a gun illegally.

Pretty much. I'm not too worried about ever getting shot. I'd rather have my freedoms and deal with the occasional (but blown out of proportion and propagated by the media cause $$$$$$$$) than hand over everything and put 100% of my trust in Trump.

In Trump We Trust. Take our weapons.

I guess you are honest that you are okay with children being regularly murdered.
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SilvosForever posted...

I don't care if it takes a Supreme Court decision or an amendment to the constitution. There are certain types of guns that you shouldn't be able to buy, period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
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Deadpool_18 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Other countries have government that aren't afraid of its citizens.

The US government is not afraid of its citizens.

Then why are democrats hellbent on disarming us?
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Funkydog posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Ultimately, many in America seem to think children being gunned down every few years is a sacrifice worth paying to not make any meaningful discussion on gun control. You don't need to go as far as places like Britain and Australia did after they had school shootings (gun bans) but you'd think people would be at least willing to have tighter control and harsher punishments for any caught having a gun illegally.

Pretty much. I'm not too worried about ever getting shot. I'd rather have my freedoms and deal with the occasional (but blown out of proportion and propagated by the media cause $$$$$$$$) than hand over everything and put 100% of my trust in Trump.

In Trump We Trust. Take our weapons.

I guess you are honest that you are okay with children being regularly murdered.

I'm just "ok" with reality and real life. I'm not ok handing over my freedoms because well organized television networks know how to convince people that these problems are rampant, which they aren't.
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Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Ultimately, many in America seem to think children being gunned down every few years is a sacrifice worth paying to not make any meaningful discussion on gun control. You don't need to go as far as places like Britain and Australia did after they had school shootings (gun bans) but you'd think people would be at least willing to have tighter control and harsher punishments for any caught having a gun illegally.

Pretty much. I'm not too worried about ever getting shot. I'd rather have my freedoms and deal with the occasional (but blown out of proportion and propagated by the media cause $$$$$$$$) than hand over everything and put 100% of my trust in Trump.

In Trump We Trust. Take our weapons.

I guess you are honest that you are okay with children being regularly murdered.

I'm just "ok" with reality and real life. I'm not ok handing over my freedoms because well organized television networks know how to convince people that these problems are rampant, which they aren't.

There's a mass shooting every week.
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I dunno why people bring up great britain like it's some great paradise or something

people getting killed with cricket bats, tire irons and broken beer bottles over soccer every day.

uncivilized blokes like that don't need guns
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SilvosForever posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Ultimately, many in America seem to think children being gunned down every few years is a sacrifice worth paying to not make any meaningful discussion on gun control. You don't need to go as far as places like Britain and Australia did after they had school shootings (gun bans) but you'd think people would be at least willing to have tighter control and harsher punishments for any caught having a gun illegally.

Pretty much. I'm not too worried about ever getting shot. I'd rather have my freedoms and deal with the occasional (but blown out of proportion and propagated by the media cause $$$$$$$$) than hand over everything and put 100% of my trust in Trump.

In Trump We Trust. Take our weapons.

I guess you are honest that you are okay with children being regularly murdered.

I'm just "ok" with reality and real life. I'm not ok handing over my freedoms because well organized television networks know how to convince people that these problems are rampant, which they aren't.

There's a mass shooting every week.

In other parts of the world there's a bombing at least once a week, what's your point?
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Uncle Choad posted...

I'm just "ok" with reality and real life. I'm not ok handing over my freedoms because well organized television networks know how to convince people that these problems are rampant, which they aren't.

They happen almost every few years now in America. No other country in the west suffers problems like that, and if they do have violence issues, they at least attempt to take serious attempts to curb it. No one is going to stop you having guns, they just want to make sure the restrictions on them are tighter and that you can't just so easily buy them without proper checks. And for serious deterrents to be put in place for anyone caught having them illegally (serious jail time, fines, etc.)
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voldothegr8 posted...

SilvosForever posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Ultimately, many in America seem to think children being gunned down every few years is a sacrifice worth paying to not make any meaningful discussion on gun control. You don't need to go as far as places like Britain and Australia did after they had school shootings (gun bans) but you'd think people would be at least willing to have tighter control and harsher punishments for any caught having a gun illegally.

Pretty much. I'm not too worried about ever getting shot. I'd rather have my freedoms and deal with the occasional (but blown out of proportion and propagated by the media cause $$$$$$$$) than hand over everything and put 100% of my trust in Trump.

In Trump We Trust. Take our weapons.

I guess you are honest that you are okay with children being regularly murdered.

I'm just "ok" with reality and real life. I'm not ok handing over my freedoms because well organized television networks know how to convince people that these problems are rampant, which they aren't.

There's a mass shooting every week.

In other parts of the world there's a bombing at least once a week, what's your point?

We're supposed to be better than that.
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2nd Amendment
NRA
Literally a gun fetish
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SilvosForever posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Ultimately, many in America seem to think children being gunned down every few years is a sacrifice worth paying to not make any meaningful discussion on gun control. You don't need to go as far as places like Britain and Australia did after they had school shootings (gun bans) but you'd think people would be at least willing to have tighter control and harsher punishments for any caught having a gun illegally.

Pretty much. I'm not too worried about ever getting shot. I'd rather have my freedoms and deal with the occasional (but blown out of proportion and propagated by the media cause $$$$$$$$) than hand over everything and put 100% of my trust in Trump.

In Trump We Trust. Take our weapons.

I guess you are honest that you are okay with children being regularly murdered.

I'm just "ok" with reality and real life. I'm not ok handing over my freedoms because well organized television networks know how to convince people that these problems are rampant, which they aren't.

There's a mass shooting every week.

And I've never heard a gunshot outside of a range and I live in a heavily populated area. I don't care what the news tells me. Life is 10/10 and I'm not trusting CNN to take my weapons, homeboy.

It's a minimal risk to take, IMO.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

SilvosForever posted...

I don't care

and I don't care about a few measly thousand gun deaths a year.

Well at least youre honest about it

The harsh reality is that 15,549 out of 325,719,178 is statistically insignificant.

sources:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216
https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/gun-deaths-increase-2017/

I believe those numbers also include justified homicides which as far as I am concerned, could be limitless. I believe the actual firearm murders* is closer to around 10k. But again, nothing compared to the population size or other deaths from other sources.

Also still and I'm going to catch flak for this one, a lot of the murders are intra and inter gang violence, still a problem, but most people smart enough to not join a gang are considerably less likely to get shot. Like 1/20th as likely.

Further more, to compound that it's not a gun problem, victim statistics are not normalized cross the board, it's pretty fucking clear where the problem is, as to the cause, I can't say.
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SilvosForever posted...

We're supposed to be better than that.

Nah, if violence happens in Syria then American doesn't have a gun problem. Just how it works.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

SilvosForever posted...

I don't care

and I don't care about a few measly thousand gun deaths a year.

Well at least youre honest about it

The harsh reality is that 15,549 out of 325,719,178 is statistically insignificant.

sources:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045216
https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/gun-deaths-increase-2017/

isn't it more like 40,000 yearly deaths by guns in the US? Diabetes is only responsible for like 75k and you never hear the end of how fat people are awful
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Uncle Choad posted...

SilvosForever posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Ultimately, many in America seem to think children being gunned down every few years is a sacrifice worth paying to not make any meaningful discussion on gun control. You don't need to go as far as places like Britain and Australia did after they had school shootings (gun bans) but you'd think people would be at least willing to have tighter control and harsher punishments for any caught having a gun illegally.

Pretty much. I'm not too worried about ever getting shot. I'd rather have my freedoms and deal with the occasional (but blown out of proportion and propagated by the media cause $$$$$$$$) than hand over everything and put 100% of my trust in Trump.

In Trump We Trust. Take our weapons.

I guess you are honest that you are okay with children being regularly murdered.

I'm just "ok" with reality and real life. I'm not ok handing over my freedoms because well organized television networks know how to convince people that these problems are rampant, which they aren't.

There's a mass shooting every week.

And I've never heard a gunshot outside of a range and I live in a heavily populated area. I don't care what the news tells me. Life is 10/10 and I'm not trusting CNN to take my weapons, homeboy.

It's a minimal risk to take, IMO.

So if there's a shooting at your local school you solemnly swear to 180 your opinion immediately?
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SilvosForever posted...

There's a mass shooting every week.

320 million people, and quite a few of them are assholes.

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Ultimately, many in America seem to think children being gunned down every few years is a sacrifice worth paying to not make any meaningful discussion on gun control. You don't need to go as far as places like Britain and Australia did after they had school shootings (gun bans) but you'd think people would be at least willing to have tighter control and harsher punishments for any caught having a gun illegally.

Pretty much. I'm not too worried about ever getting shot. I'd rather have my freedoms and deal with the occasional (but blown out of proportion and propagated by the media cause $$$$$$$$) than hand over everything and put 100% of my trust in Trump.

In Trump We Trust. Take our weapons.

I guess you are honest that you are okay with children being regularly murdered.

I'm just "ok" with reality and real life. I'm not ok handing over my freedoms because well organized television networks know how to convince people that these problems are rampant, which they aren't.

God, this contingent of people who want us to simply accept that mass shootings are a fact of life and therefore should be essentially ignored sickens me.
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Balrog0 posted...

isn't it more like 40,000 yearly deaths by guns in the US?

If you can dig that stat up somewhere, please share.

The topic title is incorrect, TC.

Other countries have fewer gun deaths
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Balrog0 posted...

isn't it more like 40,000 yearly deaths by guns in the US

If you include suicides which most (including myself) don't. There is some evidence to suggest that access to firearms increases suicide attempts and successes but there's zero chance I'm letting suicide numbers affect my RIGHTS in any way ever.
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Kavatar posted...

God, this contingent of people who want us to simply accept that mass shootings are a fact of life and therefore should be essentially ignored sickens me.

It is pretty awful, yeah. I will never understand how someone can simply be okay with children being gunned down/murdered and just shrug it off.

No one (sane, anyway) wants to take all your guns away or think that would ever happen. What people want is to have actual effort put into stopping things like this happening as other western countries don't suffer these sort of events with such shocking regularity.
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SilvosForever posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

SilvosForever posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Funkydog posted...

Ultimately, many in America seem to think children being gunned down every few years is a sacrifice worth paying to not make any meaningful discussion on gun control. You don't need to go as far as places like Britain and Australia did after they had school shootings (gun bans) but you'd think people would be at least willing to have tighter control and harsher punishments for any caught having a gun illegally.

Pretty much. I'm not too worried about ever getting shot. I'd rather have my freedoms and deal with the occasional (but blown out of proportion and propagated by the media cause $$$$$$$$) than hand over everything and put 100% of my trust in Trump.

In Trump We Trust. Take our weapons.

I guess you are honest that you are okay with children being regularly murdered.

I'm just "ok" with reality and real life. I'm not ok handing over my freedoms because well organized television networks know how to convince people that these problems are rampant, which they aren't.

There's a mass shooting every week.

And I've never heard a gunshot outside of a range and I live in a heavily populated area. I don't care what the news tells me. Life is 10/10 and I'm not trusting CNN to take my weapons, homeboy.

It's a minimal risk to take, IMO.

So if there's a shooting at your local school you solemnly swear to 180 your opinion immediately?

Not sure where I said I'd reverse my opinion, but no, I wouldn't.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

If you include suicides which most (including myself) don't.

why not? suicide itself is one of the leading causes of death in the US...
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a.) gun ownership is a right in this country, unlike others

b.) the majority of people support having that right, the will of the people matters in a democracy, and americans want their guns, overall

also @Anarchy_Juiblex continues to demonstrate a borderline insane stance on guns lol
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Kavatar posted...

simply accept

Find a different solution =/= simply accept

Funkydog posted...

can simply be okay with children being gunned down

No one is okay with this, stop engaging in an utterly dishonest manor.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Funkydog posted...
can simply be okay with children being gunned down

No one is okay with this, stop engaging in an utterly dishonest manor.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

and I don't care about a few measly thousand gun deaths a year.

lol okay dude nice backtrack
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Funkydog posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

I'm just "ok" with reality and real life. I'm not ok handing over my freedoms because well organized television networks know how to convince people that these problems are rampant, which they aren't.

They happen almost every few years now in America. No other country in the west suffers problems like that, and if they do have violence issues, they at least attempt to take serious attempts to curb it. No one is going to stop you having guns, they just want to make sure the restrictions on them are tighter and that you can't just so easily buy them without proper checks. And for serious deterrents to be put in place for anyone caught having them illegally (serious jail time, fines, etc.)

I don't want anything to do with those people. What absolutely pacified population.
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So?
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Balrog0 posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

If you include suicides which most (including myself) don't.

why not? suicide itself is one of the leading causes of death in the US...

Suicide is good if they allow it in Switzerland and Denmark, but not US man. Get with it.
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Balrog0 posted...

why not?

Like I said, I'm not going to let suicide victims dictate my life. They chose it, murder victims did not. They are not the same statistic. It's bullshit to lump them in together.

You might as well include the Japanese that were shot in the Aleutians during WW2. "Well they did die by firearms . . ."
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

You might as well include the Japanese that were shot in the Aleutians during WW2. "Well they did die by firearms . . ."

To be fair, there was a fairly significant spike in firearm deaths worldwide between 1936 and 1945 for some reason.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

SilvosForever posted...

I don't care

and I don't care about a few measly thousand gun deaths a year.

Openly supports eugenics, doesn't care about gun deaths, what a great guy.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Like I said, I'm not going to let suicide victims dictate my life. They chose it, murder victims did not. They are not the same statistic. It's bullshit to lump them in together.

That's not even close to an explanation. Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean it is bullshit to talk about gun deaths as gun deaths.

You have a bizarre attachment to your guns and supposed gun rights so I actually don't care what you think you're going to "let them" do to you

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

You might as well include the Japanese that were shot in the Aleutians during WW2. "Well they did die by firearms . . ."

I don't understand the analogy.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Kavatar posted...

simply accept

Find a different solution =/= simply accept

Funkydog posted...

can simply be okay with children being gunned down

No one is okay with this, stop engaging in an utterly dishonest manor.

People are saying that it is not enough for them to want to even consider tougher gun control. So how is that not them thinking it is an acceptable price to pay? If they did find it so reprehensible, they would support efforts into trying to stop it.
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Some countries make it mandatory for all citizens to own a gun and don't have shooting problems.
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Funkydog posted...

If they did find it so reprehensible, they would support efforts into trying to stop it.

I support tougher security for entering schools which for some reason still hasn't happened. Why hasn't that happened?
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