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Shmashed 02/21/18 8:39:08 PM #1:	https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/sunday-review/russia-isnt-the-only-one-meddling-in-elections-we-do-it-too.html If you ask an intelligence officer, did the Russians break the rules or do something bizarre, the answer is no, not at all, said Steven L. Hall, who retired in 2015 after 30 years at the C.I.A., where he was the chief of Russian operations. The United States absolutely has carried out such election influence operations historically, he said, and I hope we keep doing it. Loch K. Johnson, the dean of American intelligence scholars, who began his career in the 1970s investigating the C.I.A. as a staff member of the Senates Church Committee, says Russias 2016 operation was simply the cyber-age version of standard United States practice for decades, whenever American officials were worried about a foreign vote. Weve been doing this kind of thing since the C.I.A. was created in 1947, said Mr. Johnson, now at the University of Georgia. Weve used posters, pamphlets, mailers, banners you name it. Weve planted false information in foreign newspapers. Weve used what the British call King Georges cavalry: suitcases of cash. The United States departure from democratic ideals sometimes went much further. The C.I.A. helped overthrow elected leaders in Iran and Guatemala in the 1950s and backed violent coups in several other countries in the 1960s. It plotted assassinations and supported brutal anti-Communist governments in Latin America, Africa and Asia. But in recent decades, both Mr. Hall and Mr. Johnson argued, Russian and American interferences in elections have not been morally equivalent. American interventions have generally been aimed at helping non-authoritarian candidates challenge dictators or otherwise promoting democracy. Russia has more often intervened to disrupt democracy or promote authoritarian rule, they said. Equating the two, Mr. Hall says, is like saying cops and bad guys are the same because they both have guns the motivation matters. Thoughts? --- /poast <cite>Shmashed posted [p:896526483] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/sunday-review/russia-isnt-the-only-one-meddling-in-elections-we-do-it-too.html <quote>If you ask an intelligence officer, did the Russians break the rules or do something bizarre, the answer is no, not at all, said Steven L. Hall, who retired in 2015 after 30 years at the C.I.A., where he was the chief of Russian operations. The United States absolutely has carried out such election influence operations historically, he said, and I hope we keep doing it. Loch K. Johnson, the dean of American intelligence scholars, who began his career in the 1970s investigating the C.I.A. as a staff member of the Senates Church Committee, says Russias 2016 operation was simply the cyber-age version of standard United States practice for decades, whenever American officials were worried about a foreign vote. Weve been doing this kind of thing since the C.I.A. was created in 1947, said Mr. Johnson, now at the University of Georgia. Weve used posters, pamphlets, mailers, banners you name it. Weve planted false information in foreign newspapers. Weve used what the British call King Georges cavalry: suitcases of cash. The United States departure from democratic ideals sometimes went much further. The C.I.A. helped overthrow elected leaders in Iran and Guatemala in the 1950s and backed violent coups in several other countries in the 1960s. It plotted assassinations and supported brutal anti-Communist governments in Latin America, Africa and Asia. But in recent decades, both Mr. Hall and Mr. Johnson argued, Russian and American interferences in elections have not been morally equivalent. American interventions have generally been aimed at helping non-authoritarian candidates challenge dictators or otherwise promoting democracy. Russia has more often intervened to disrupt democracy or promote authoritarian rule, they said. Equating the two, Mr. Hall says, is like saying cops and bad guys are the same because they both have guns the motivation matters.</quote> Thoughts?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 02/21/18 8:39:50 PM #2:	We shouldn't as we end up making things worse then better. This does not suddenly make it okay for Russia to meddle in our elections. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:896526533] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>We shouldn't as we end up making things worse then better. This does not suddenly make it okay for Russia to meddle in our elections.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 02/21/18 8:40:56 PM #3:	Of course. All major world powers meddle for favorable outcomes. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:896526595] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>Of course. All major world powers meddle for favorable outcomes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 02/21/18 8:41:16 PM #4:	I don't like it when the US does it and I sure as hell don't like it when Russia does it --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:896526617] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>I don't like it when the US does it and I sure as hell don't like it when Russia does it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Allanon23 02/21/18 8:41:30 PM #5:	Nomadic View posted... Of course. All major world powers meddle for favorable outcomes. This. --- Attention campers, lunch has been cancelled today due to lack of hustle. Deal with it. Currently Let's Playing Lost Sphear (Blind) <cite>Allanon23 posted [p:896526634] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Of course. All major world powers meddle for favorable outcomes.</quote> This.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 02/21/18 8:41:34 PM #6:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:896526640] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stoltenberg11 02/21/18 8:41:42 PM #7:	Hillary meddled in the primary --- You're such a boring characterless entity. Try getting laid once in a while and maybe you'll have friends and find out what a "joke" is. - derrate <cite>stoltenberg11 posted [p:896526647] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>Hillary meddled in the primary</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DemonBuffet 02/21/18 8:43:38 PM #8:	But others --- Trololol <cite>DemonBuffet posted [p:896526762] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>But others</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheater87 02/21/18 8:45:58 PM #9:	The irony how the US is throwing a fit over something they have done and will continue to do for years to come in other countries. --- http://i.imgur.com/OlAyuQb.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KnLuqux.jpg <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:896526905] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>The irony how the US is throwing a fit over something they have done and will continue to do for years to come in other countries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
a42ozslushie 02/21/18 8:48:15 PM #10:	Russia's meddling is actually quite merciful compared to what the US usually does if they dont like you. Just look up how Gaddafi died. --- \_o__/ <cite>a42ozslushie posted [p:896527034] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>Russia's meddling is actually quite merciful compared to what the US usually does if they dont like you. Just look up how Gaddafi died.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaname_Madoka 02/21/18 8:48:49 PM #11:	Imagine thinking this is news Lmfao America Open a Damn book for once --- Drawn for me: Volkswagen_Bros, ShinobiNinjaX, Popcorn_Fairy + Nayr626. https://imgur.com/gallery/B4o8m dont lose your wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy <cite>Kaname_Madoka posted [p:896527072] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>Imagine thinking this is news Lmfao America Open a Damn book for once</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 02/21/18 8:49:14 PM #12:	a42ozslushie posted... Russia's meddling is actually quite merciful compared to what the US usually does if they dont like you. Just look up how Gaddafi died. I mean in all fairness Gaddafi was a dictator who was in the process of murdering his citizens --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:896527094] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>a42ozslushie posted...</cite> <quote>Russia's meddling is actually quite merciful compared to what the US usually does if they dont like you. Just look up how Gaddafi died.</quote> I mean in all fairness Gaddafi was a dictator who was in the process of murdering his citizens</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
a42ozslushie 02/21/18 9:07:38 PM #13:	Doom_Art posted... a42ozslushie posted... Russia's meddling is actually quite merciful compared to what the US usually does if they dont like you. Just look up how Gaddafi died. I mean in all fairness Gaddafi was a dictator who was in the process of murdering his citizens Which would be a fair point if that was the reason why the US put a bounty on his head --- \_o__/ <cite>a42ozslushie posted [p:896528253] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>a42ozslushie posted...</cite> <quote>Russia's meddling is actually quite merciful compared to what the US usually does if they dont like you. Just look up how Gaddafi died.</quote> I mean in all fairness Gaddafi was a dictator who was in the process of murdering his citizens</quote> Which would be a fair point if that was the reason why the US put a bounty on his head</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmonAmarth 02/21/18 9:14:34 PM #14:	the US interferes in elections more than any nation by a large factor. --- i7-4790@ 3.6GHZ \| GA-Z97-HD3 \| ASUS GTX 960 2GB \| Samsung 850 EVO 250GB \| 1TB HDD \| CX750M \| 12GB DDR3 <cite>AmonAmarth posted [p:896528669] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>the US interferes in elections more than any nation by a large factor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/21/18 9:16:25 PM #15:	Based on the quoted text, it looks like they're citing events that happened under older foreign policies and politics and comparing it to what Russia is doing in the modern day... It's not a fair equivalence at all. --- RS3: UltimaSuende . On the quest to 99 WC. Currently at 98. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:896528794] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>Based on the quoted text, it looks like they're citing events that happened under older foreign policies and politics and comparing it to what Russia is doing in the modern day... It's not a fair equivalence at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmonAmarth 02/21/18 9:17:43 PM #16:	Hexenherz posted... Based on the quoted text, it looks like they're citing events that happened under older foreign policies and politics and comparing it to what Russia is doing in the modern day... It's not a fair equivalence at all. the us meddles in peoples elections today. ukraine (nuland, biden), venezuala, and more. --- i7-4790@ 3.6GHZ \| GA-Z97-HD3 \| ASUS GTX 960 2GB \| Samsung 850 EVO 250GB \| 1TB HDD \| CX750M \| 12GB DDR3 <cite>AmonAmarth posted [p:896528887] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>Based on the quoted text, it looks like they're citing events that happened under older foreign policies and politics and comparing it to what Russia is doing in the modern day... It's not a fair equivalence at all.</quote> the us meddles in peoples elections today. ukraine (nuland, biden), venezuala, and more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/21/18 9:19:41 PM #17:	AmonAmarth posted... Hexenherz posted... Based on the quoted text, it looks like they're citing events that happened under older foreign policies and politics and comparing it to what Russia is doing in the modern day... It's not a fair equivalence at all. the us meddles in peoples elections today. ukraine (nuland, biden), venezuala, and more. Can you expand on what we did with Ukrainian elections? --- RS3: UltimaSuende . On the quest to 99 WC. Currently at 98. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:896528983] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>AmonAmarth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>Based on the quoted text, it looks like they're citing events that happened under older foreign policies and politics and comparing it to what Russia is doing in the modern day... It's not a fair equivalence at all.</quote> the us meddles in peoples elections today. ukraine (nuland, biden), venezuala, and more.</quote> Can you expand on what we did with Ukrainian elections?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmonAmarth 02/21/18 9:28:31 PM #18:	Hexenherz posted... AmonAmarth posted... Hexenherz posted... Based on the quoted text, it looks like they're citing events that happened under older foreign policies and politics and comparing it to what Russia is doing in the modern day... It's not a fair equivalence at all. the us meddles in peoples elections today. ukraine (nuland, biden), venezuala, and more. Can you expand on what we did with Ukrainian elections? first the orange revolution a few years back (Brzezinski helped them, he was the CFR, guy under Carter, and picked by Rockefeller. two of them are dead now). send millions of dollars to the maiden coup later on. send "contractors" to mess with maiden. mccain, nuland were involved. later... Former Vice President Joe Biden just casually dropped a bombshell admission that he personally and directly intervened in Ukraine's governance, boasting on stage during an event hosted by the US Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) that he got a high Kiev government official removed essentially at the snap of his fingers. "I looked at them and said: Im leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, youre not getting the money," Biden said at the CFR talk on Tuesday, in what was a follow-up to prior admissions revealing that the United States actively asserted behind the scenes control of Ukraine's post-Maidan government, to the point that US officials even dictated who would occupy high offices in the war-torn country. iden confirmed what was only previously hinted at through an anonymous senior official who spoke to The New Yorker in 2016. It was revealed then that Ukraine's Prosecutor General, which the equivalent office to the US Attorney General, was removed only after the Obama administration threatened to withhold 1$ billion in loan guarantees. Ukraine's chief prosecutor serves a term of six years and can only be appointed and dismissed by the president with parliamentary consent; however in the case of Shokin, Joe Biden boasted before the CFR audience that he told Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and former Ukrainian prime minister Arseny Yatsenyuk sometime in late March 2016, "Im telling you, youre not getting the billion dollars," unless they immediately sacked Shokin. To the glee of his CFR listeners who laughed audibly, Biden added, "Well, son of a bitch. He got fired!" https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-24/son-bitch-got-fired-joe-biden-brags-he-forced-ukraine-fire-key-official-exchange Further also pressured and interfered with French and Italian officials Elsewhere in Tuesday's talk, Biden revealed that the Obama White House "spent so much time on the phone making sure that everyone from [former French president Francois] Hollande to [former Italian prime minister Matteo] Renzi wouldnt walk away" from anti-Russian sanctions. --- i7-4790@ 3.6GHZ \| GA-Z97-HD3 \| ASUS GTX 960 2GB \| Samsung 850 EVO 250GB \| 1TB HDD \| CX750M \| 12GB DDR3 <cite>AmonAmarth posted [p:896529468] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AmonAmarth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>Based on the quoted text, it looks like they're citing events that happened under older foreign policies and politics and comparing it to what Russia is doing in the modern day... It's not a fair equivalence at all.</quote> the us meddles in peoples elections today. ukraine (nuland, biden), venezuala, and more.</quote> Can you expand on what we did with Ukrainian elections?</quote> first the orange revolution a few years back (Brzezinski helped them, he was the CFR, guy under Carter, and picked by Rockefeller. two of them are dead now). send millions of dollars to the maiden coup later on. send "contractors" to mess with maiden. mccain, nuland were involved. later... <quote>Former Vice President Joe Biden just casually dropped a bombshell admission that he personally and directly intervened in Ukraine's governance, boasting on stage during an event hosted by the US Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) that he got a high Kiev government official removed essentially at the snap of his fingers. "I looked at them and said: Im leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, youre not getting the money," Biden said at the CFR talk on Tuesday, in what was a follow-up to prior admissions revealing that the United States actively asserted behind the scenes control of Ukraine's post-Maidan government, to the point that US officials even dictated who would occupy high offices in the war-torn country. iden confirmed what was only previously hinted at through an anonymous senior official who spoke to The New Yorker in 2016. It was revealed then that Ukraine's Prosecutor General, which the equivalent office to the US Attorney General, was removed only after the Obama administration threatened to withhold 1$ billion in loan guarantees. Ukraine's chief prosecutor serves a term of six years and can only be appointed and dismissed by the president with parliamentary consent; however in the case of Shokin, Joe Biden boasted before the CFR audience that he told Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and former Ukrainian prime minister Arseny Yatsenyuk sometime in late March 2016, "Im telling you, youre not getting the billion dollars," unless they immediately sacked Shokin. To the glee of his CFR listeners who laughed audibly, Biden added, "Well, son of a bitch. He got fired!" </quote> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-24/son-bitch-got-fired-joe-biden-brags-he-forced-ukraine-fire-key-official-exchange Further also pressured and interfered with French and Italian officials <quote>Elsewhere in Tuesday's talk, Biden revealed that the Obama White House "spent so much time on the phone making sure that everyone from [former French president Francois] Hollande to [former Italian prime minister Matteo] Renzi wouldnt walk away" from anti-Russian sanctions.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 02/21/18 9:33:14 PM #19:	Guess what, ALL Other Countries are going to interfere in US elections due to what we've done in the past. And we SHOULD and WILL continue to interfere with other countries in the future. Especially in countries that are problematic like (Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, etc). --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:896529773] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>Guess what, ALL Other Countries are going to interfere in US elections due to what we've done in the past. And we SHOULD and WILL continue to interfere with other countries in the future. Especially in countries that are problematic like (Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, etc).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/21/18 9:34:11 PM #20:	... Alright so you're buying into a lot of Russian propaganda and are somehow associating "the US kept Italian and French officials on the phone for long periods of time" with "the US actively interfered with Italian and French officials"... That's ... literally politics dude LOL. Even if the US actually sent contractors to Ukraine and sent money to support protestors at the Maidan, that's not quite the same as literal Russians wearing Ukrainian police uniforms, kidnapping protestors and shooting unarmed civilians. But yeah. Keep living in your fantasy world man. --- RS3: UltimaSuende . On the quest to 99 WC. Currently at 98. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:896529822] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>... Alright so you're buying into a lot of Russian propaganda and are somehow associating "the US kept Italian and French officials on the phone for long periods of time" with "the US actively interfered with Italian and French officials"... That's ... literally politics dude LOL. Even if the US actually sent contractors to Ukraine and sent money to support protestors at the Maidan, that's not quite the same as literal Russians wearing Ukrainian police uniforms, kidnapping protestors and shooting unarmed civilians. But yeah. Keep living in your fantasy world man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 02/21/18 9:34:46 PM #21:	Uh no shit. Doesn't make it okay or even comparable when Russia does it to the most powerful country in the world --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:896529862] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>Uh no shit. Doesn't make it okay or even comparable when Russia does it to the most powerful country in the world</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 02/21/18 9:37:38 PM #22:	Do you think those countries shouldn't be mad about it? --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:896530041] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>Do you think those countries shouldn't be mad about it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 02/21/18 9:38:54 PM #23:	Anteaterking posted... Do you think those countries shouldn't be mad about it? If they were mad in the past, they are good at hiding it. Otherwise they just shut up and go on and interfere with us politically for all the times we've interfered with them. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:896530133] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>Do you think those countries shouldn't be mad about it?</quote>If they were mad in the past, they are good at hiding it. Otherwise they just shut up and go on and interfere with us politically for all the times we've interfered with them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
a42ozslushie 02/21/18 9:39:54 PM #24:	Anteaterking posted... Do you think those countries shouldn't be mad about it? Why would they be mad? The people in power are currently in power because of the US, what do they have to complain about? --- \_o__/ <cite>a42ozslushie posted [p:896530191] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>Do you think those countries shouldn't be mad about it?</quote> Why would they be mad? The people in power are currently in power because of the US, what do they have to complain about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmonAmarth 02/21/18 9:50:59 PM #25:	Hexenherz posted... .. Alright so you're buying into a lot of Russian propaganda and are somehow associating "the US kept Italian and French officials on the phone for long periods of time" with "the US actively interfered with Italian and French officials"... That's ... literally politics dude LOL. Even if the US actually sent contractors to Ukraine and sent money to support protestors at the Maidan, that's not quite the same as literal Russians wearing Ukrainian police uniforms, kidnapping protestors and shooting unarmed civilians. But yeah. Keep living in your fantasy world man. most of the world sees Americans as ignorant on international politics. and there is a good reason for that. lets not forget that the US is still in Syria against international law. meddling in a soveirgn nations. making up continious lies about dozens of nations in the world. the only ones living in fantasy land are Americans, with their hyperRepublicanDemocrat nonsense, the most propaganda biased news in the world (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc). keep up that gmo and marijuana and have a happy meal :) --- i7-4790@ 3.6GHZ \| GA-Z97-HD3 \| ASUS GTX 960 2GB \| Samsung 850 EVO 250GB \| 1TB HDD \| CX750M \| 12GB DDR3 <cite>AmonAmarth posted [p:896530856] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>.. Alright so you're buying into a lot of Russian propaganda and are somehow associating "the US kept Italian and French officials on the phone for long periods of time" with "the US actively interfered with Italian and French officials"... That's ... literally politics dude LOL. Even if the US actually sent contractors to Ukraine and sent money to support protestors at the Maidan, that's not quite the same as literal Russians wearing Ukrainian police uniforms, kidnapping protestors and shooting unarmed civilians. But yeah. Keep living in your fantasy world man.</quote> most of the world sees Americans as ignorant on international politics. and there is a good reason for that. lets not forget that the US is still in Syria against international law. meddling in a soveirgn nations. making up continious lies about dozens of nations in the world. the only ones living in fantasy land are Americans, with their hyperRepublicanDemocrat nonsense, the most propaganda biased news in the world (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc). keep up that gmo and marijuana and have a happy meal :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 02/21/18 10:01:24 PM #26:	AmonAmarth posted... the most propaganda biased news in the world (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc). I want you to stop for a minute, go back, and reflect on this little snippet here. Just take some time to think about it. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:896531536] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>AmonAmarth posted...</cite> <quote>the most propaganda biased news in the world (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc).</quote> I want you to stop for a minute, go back, and reflect on this little snippet here. Just take some time to think about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 02/21/18 10:02:20 PM #27:	UnholyMudcrab posted... AmonAmarth posted... the most propaganda biased news in the world (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc). I want you to stop for a minute, go back, and reflect on this little snippet here. Just take some time to think about it. AmonAmarth is correct, they are HIGHLY Biased & Propaganda outlets. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:896531585] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AmonAmarth posted...</cite> <quote>the most propaganda biased news in the world (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc).</quote> I want you to stop for a minute, go back, and reflect on this little snippet here. Just take some time to think about it.</quote>AmonAmarth is correct, they are HIGHLY Biased & Propaganda outlets.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 02/21/18 10:10:19 PM #28:	...Ok? What is your goal here? Everyone does it. Just like everyone wages war. That doesn't mean you should be any less hostile toward a government that does it to you, just like you shouldn't be any less hostile to a government that wages war on you. I swear, this new age "America is always wrong" shit gets taken too far. This is a grave act of foreign infiltration into our country's highest office but what's important here is recognizing that "well we do it too"? What the fuck is wrong with people <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:896532026] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>...Ok? What is your goal here? Everyone does it. Just like everyone wages war. That doesn't mean you should be any less hostile toward a government that does it to you, just like you shouldn't be any less hostile to a government that wages war on you. I swear, this new age "America is always wrong" shit gets taken too far. This is a grave act of foreign infiltration into our country's highest office but what's important here is recognizing that "well we do it too"? What the fuck is wrong with people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 02/21/18 10:18:25 PM #29:	RoboLaserGandhi posted... ...Ok? What is your goal here? Everyone does it. Just like everyone wages war. That doesn't mean you should be any less hostile toward a government that does it to you, just like you shouldn't be any less hostile to a government that wages war on you. I swear, this new age "America is always wrong" shit gets taken too far. This is a grave act of foreign infiltration into our country's highest office but what's important here is recognizing that "well we do it too"? What the fuck is wrong with people Yeah, we should HARDEN our society against outside Political Interference. Then we should improve our Interference abilities with foreign countries at the same time. It's part of the new age of "Hybrid Warfare" where we battle other countries in multiple realms. Economic Warfare Cyber Warfare Political Warfare Conventional Warfare Nuclear Warfare etc. Modern War isn't limited to just bullets, bombs, and nukes. We have MANY other ways of fighting as well as the conventional. We are in the middle of it and will continue to go on. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:896532471] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>...Ok? What is your goal here? Everyone does it. Just like everyone wages war. That doesn't mean you should be any less hostile toward a government that does it to you, just like you shouldn't be any less hostile to a government that wages war on you. I swear, this new age "America is always wrong" shit gets taken too far. This is a grave act of foreign infiltration into our country's highest office but what's important here is recognizing that "well we do it too"? What the fuck is wrong with people</quote>Yeah, we should HARDEN our society against outside Political Interference. Then we should improve our Interference abilities with foreign countries at the same time. It's part of the new age of "Hybrid Warfare" where we battle other countries in multiple realms. Economic Warfare Cyber Warfare Political Warfare Conventional Warfare Nuclear Warfare etc. Modern War isn't limited to just bullets, bombs, and nukes. We have MANY other ways of fighting as well as the conventional. We are in the middle of it and will continue to go on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 02/21/18 10:19:56 PM #30:	America has been practically dictating placement of foreign leaders since WWII ended. Latin America and the Middle-East are full of examples... --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:896532575] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>America has been practically dictating placement of foreign leaders since WWII ended. Latin America and the Middle-East are full of examples...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/21/18 10:20:20 PM #31:	Two wrongs make a left. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:896532599] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote>Two wrongs make a left.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SatanicHalibut 02/21/18 10:23:17 PM #32:	AmonAmarth posted... the most propaganda biased news in the world (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc). Is this a joke? --- https://i.imgur.com/V62ygzP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cOwKZ6J.gifv https://i.imgur.com/M0MRS6S.gifv https://i.imgur.com/Lc56ify.jpg <cite>SatanicHalibut posted [p:896532773] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>AmonAmarth posted...</cite> <quote>the most propaganda biased news in the world (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc). </quote> Is this a joke?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/23/18 4:59:52 PM #33:	AmonAmarth posted... Hexenherz posted... .. Alright so you're buying into a lot of Russian propaganda and are somehow associating "the US kept Italian and French officials on the phone for long periods of time" with "the US actively interfered with Italian and French officials"... That's ... literally politics dude LOL. Even if the US actually sent contractors to Ukraine and sent money to support protestors at the Maidan, that's not quite the same as literal Russians wearing Ukrainian police uniforms, kidnapping protestors and shooting unarmed civilians. But yeah. Keep living in your fantasy world man. most of the world sees Americans as ignorant on international politics. and there is a good reason for that. lets not forget that the US is still in Syria against international law. meddling in a soveirgn nations. making up continious lies about dozens of nations in the world. the only ones living in fantasy land are Americans, with their hyperRepublicanDemocrat nonsense, the most propaganda biased news in the world (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc). keep up that gmo and marijuana and have a happy meal :) And Russian private military corporations are also literally operating in Syria, and the Russian government flat out denies it. Basically everyone is in Syria at this point. --- RS3: UltimaSuende . On the quest to 99 WC. Currently at 98. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:896642495] in Russia Isn... [t:76344149]...</cite> <quote><cite>AmonAmarth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>.. Alright so you're buying into a lot of Russian propaganda and are somehow associating "the US kept Italian and French officials on the phone for long periods of time" with "the US actively interfered with Italian and French officials"... That's ... literally politics dude LOL. Even if the US actually sent contractors to Ukraine and sent money to support protestors at the Maidan, that's not quite the same as literal Russians wearing Ukrainian police uniforms, kidnapping protestors and shooting unarmed civilians. But yeah. Keep living in your fantasy world man.</quote> most of the world sees Americans as ignorant on international politics. and there is a good reason for that. lets not forget that the US is still in Syria against international law. meddling in a soveirgn nations. making up continious lies about dozens of nations in the world. the only ones living in fantasy land are Americans, with their hyperRepublicanDemocrat nonsense, the most propaganda biased news in the world (CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc). keep up that gmo and marijuana and have a happy meal :)</quote> And Russian private military corporations are also literally operating in Syria, and the Russian government flat out denies it. Basically everyone is in Syria at this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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