Poll of the Day > A new Netflix show wants to manipulate people into committing murder

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Did no one pay attention to the Milgram experiment and how much it fucked people up

Now they are recreating it, not for science, but for views

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/20/17032706/netflix-push-derren-brown-milgram-murder
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Hasn't the Milgrim experiment been completely thrown out as a bad study?

Andromicus posted...

Hasn't the Milgrim experiment been completely thrown out as a bad study?

It's an unethical study and experiment though the results seem to be supported through many repeat studies

And copying that for no scientific end is extra unethical
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i would never sign the waiver for them to release my footage if i got roped into a show like that

i don't even understand how people let it escalate to the point where they'd push someone off a roof? i would be calling 911 when the guy collapsed and letting the appropriate authorities handle anything. i'm not even going to be peer pressured into picking up a dead body and moving it around.
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Derren Brown's a beast, he made a guy bet 10k of his own money on roulette and lost it on live TV lol
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That looks so fake

I mean the rooftop or whatever is clearly a filming stage
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Andromicus posted...

Hasn't the Milgrim experiment been completely thrown out as a bad study?

It's an unethical study and experiment though the results seem to be supported through many repeat studies

And copying that for no scientific end is extra unethical

Actually it's pretty much the opposite.
Most evidence shows that Milgrim manipulated the study and in most repeat studies (that are properly done) the majority won't follow the commands.
something like 66% of people won't even "push the button" the first time, almost none will push the final "kill" button. This is all from my college learning days and the % might be off but it's around 65-70%.

Milgrim did a lot of shady things with his study, like if the people didn't follow the order from the authority the actor was told to basically bully the people into doing it and manipulating data and notes by removing participants who didn't push the buttons/kill button.

Still, it's fucked up to even try it I guess. Ethically speaking.

The guy's a hypnotist btw
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Mead posted...

That looks so fake

I mean the rooftop or whatever is clearly a filming stage

The Push plunges a seemingly unaware contestant into an elaborately constructed scenario involving 70 actors one devised specifically to encourage him to push an old man off a building.

I need him to feel like theres only one way out when hes told to commit murder, says Brown in the trailer.

Thats an interesting use of the word need, since Im not sure that anyone actually needs to see a real person pushed to the most debased extremes. The show audaciously claims that this is some sort of valuable sociological experiment, one designed to explore whether or not human beings are willing to commit terrible acts when they are told that they have no other choice.

The question were asking is simple, says Brown in the trailer. Can we be manipulated through social pressure to commit murder?

It's a reality show elaborately constructed to fuck with one single person and try to get him to do something he perceives as murder

You go somewhere and have 70 people you don't know are actors trying to set up a scenario, it will fuck with people
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ASlaveObeys posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Andromicus posted...

Hasn't the Milgrim experiment been completely thrown out as a bad study?

It's an unethical study and experiment though the results seem to be supported through many repeat studies

And copying that for no scientific end is extra unethical

Actually it's pretty much the opposite.
Most evidence shows that Milgrim manipulated the study and in most repeat studies (that are properly done) the majority won't follow the commands.
something like 66% of people won't even "push the button" the first time, almost none will push the final "kill" button. This is all from my college learning days and the % might be off but it's around 65-70%.

Milgrim did a lot of shady things with his study, like if the people didn't follow the order from the authority the actor was told to basically bully the people into doing it and manipulating data and notes by removing participants who didn't push the buttons/kill button.

Still, it's fucked up to even try it I guess. Ethically speaking.

https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html

There were four prods and if one was not obeyed, then the experimenter (Mr. Williams) read out the next prod, and so on.

Prod 1: Please continue.

Prod 2: The experiment requires you to continue.

Prod 3: It is absolutely essential that you continue.

Prod 4: You have no other choice but to continue.

Results:

65% (two-thirds) of participants (i.e., teachers) continued to the highest level of 450 volts. All the participants continued to 300 volts.

Milgram did more than one experiment he carried out 18 variations of his study. All he did was alter the situation (IV) to see how this affected obedience (DV).

I hadn't heard that not everyone pushed the initial buttons. It seems like a lot of people were willing to hit that kill button.

It was all pretty fucked up and basically existed to say "see, look, the nazis were just following orders"
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I feel like I wouldnt be fooled in the scenario at all

For one thing I would try to resuscitate the collapsed old man and I doubt his acting ability would allow him to just ignore chest compressions and a good chance at broken ribs
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It's just a tv show. Why so much outrage?
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man this looks fake as shit
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Doctor Foxx posted...

ASlaveObeys posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Andromicus posted...

Hasn't the Milgrim experiment been completely thrown out as a bad study?

It's an unethical study and experiment though the results seem to be supported through many repeat studies

And copying that for no scientific end is extra unethical

Actually it's pretty much the opposite.
Most evidence shows that Milgrim manipulated the study and in most repeat studies (that are properly done) the majority won't follow the commands.
something like 66% of people won't even "push the button" the first time, almost none will push the final "kill" button. This is all from my college learning days and the % might be off but it's around 65-70%.

Milgrim did a lot of shady things with his study, like if the people didn't follow the order from the authority the actor was told to basically bully the people into doing it and manipulating data and notes by removing participants who didn't push the buttons/kill button.

Still, it's fucked up to even try it I guess. Ethically speaking.

https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html

There were four prods and if one was not obeyed, then the experimenter (Mr. Williams) read out the next prod, and so on.

Prod 1: Please continue.

Prod 2: The experiment requires you to continue.

Prod 3: It is absolutely essential that you continue.

Prod 4: You have no other choice but to continue.

Results:

65% (two-thirds) of participants (i.e., teachers) continued to the highest level of 450 volts. All the participants continued to 300 volts.

Milgram did more than one experiment he carried out 18 variations of his study. All he did was alter the situation (IV) to see how this affected obedience (DV).

I hadn't heard that not everyone pushed the initial buttons. It seems like a lot of people were willing to hit that kill button.

It was all pretty fucked up and basically existed to say "see, look, the nazis were just following orders"

Again it has been shown he threw out data of the participants not pushing the buttons and it was never published.He also would put friends with friends and had participants who were also reseachers on the study so they had all the reason on earth to be bias.
This study from a technical perspective is completely unsound.
And it's never been even close to repeated with similar results.

ASlaveObeys posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

ASlaveObeys posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Andromicus posted...

Hasn't the Milgrim experiment been completely thrown out as a bad study?

It's an unethical study and experiment though the results seem to be supported through many repeat studies

And copying that for no scientific end is extra unethical

Actually it's pretty much the opposite.
Most evidence shows that Milgrim manipulated the study and in most repeat studies (that are properly done) the majority won't follow the commands.
something like 66% of people won't even "push the button" the first time, almost none will push the final "kill" button. This is all from my college learning days and the % might be off but it's around 65-70%.

Milgrim did a lot of shady things with his study, like if the people didn't follow the order from the authority the actor was told to basically bully the people into doing it and manipulating data and notes by removing participants who didn't push the buttons/kill button.

Still, it's fucked up to even try it I guess. Ethically speaking.

https://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html

There were four prods and if one was not obeyed, then the experimenter (Mr. Williams) read out the next prod, and so on.

Prod 1: Please continue.

Prod 2: The experiment requires you to continue.

Prod 3: It is absolutely essential that you continue.

Prod 4: You have no other choice but to continue.

Results:

65% (two-thirds) of participants (i.e., teachers) continued to the highest level of 450 volts. All the participants continued to 300 volts.

Milgram did more than one experiment he carried out 18 variations of his study. All he did was alter the situation (IV) to see how this affected obedience (DV).

I hadn't heard that not everyone pushed the initial buttons. It seems like a lot of people were willing to hit that kill button.

It was all pretty fucked up and basically existed to say "see, look, the nazis were just following orders"

Again it has been shown he threw out data of the participants not pushing the buttons and it was never published.He also would put friends with friends and had participants who were also reseachers on the study so they had all the reason on earth to be bias.
This study from a technical perspective is completely unsound.
And it's never been even close to repeated with similar results.

I will do more reading, thanks. :)

With it being an invalid study that's even more reason to not emulate something like it for entertainment

helIy posted...

man this looks fake as shit

ya, reality tv for you
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Oh I agree with you. From a psych perspective doing this to an unwilling person is basically the definition of unethical.
I don't think he'd ever be able to do this as a true experiment. Also, I'm betting he had to work to find someone he could manipulate into such acts.
he isn't using the guise of authority either, he is using the fear of consequence which is potentially a lot more powerful. If this is real he is basically tricking someone into thinking he is going to spend decades in jail with literally no other options. Humans backed into a corner will do a lot of things.
But the original experiment was to show we are too reliant on authority to even think at times.

Mead posted...

I feel like I wouldnt be fooled in the scenario at all

For one thing I would try to resuscitate the collapsed old man and I doubt his acting ability would allow him to just ignore chest compressions and a good chance at broken ribs

right? i'd just call 911 immediately. i call the non-emergency police line when my neighbors even have really loud arguments. i'm not moving an elderly man after he has a heart attack. the paramedics can do that.

and i wonder what he even thinks the other guy who witnessed the event is going to do to him that would cause him to think it's even near appropriate to push him off a roof to his death? they'll do an autopsy on the dead guy if the other witness makes an allegation of foul play. let the authorities deal with that.
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no. it doesn't look "reality" at all.

everyone looks like a normal actor
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That sounds absolutely horrid. I'm sure it'll do phenomenally. (Assuming it isn't cancelled before ever airing.)

Doctor Foxx posted...

Andromicus posted...

Hasn't the Milgrim experiment been completely thrown out as a bad study?

It's an unethical study and experiment though the results seem to be supported through many repeat studies

And copying that for no scientific end is extra unethical

Ethics? Science has no room for ethics! Leave such antiquated principles for the realm of religion!

Doctor Foxx posted...

It's a reality show elaborately constructed to fuck with one single person and try to get him to do something he perceives as murder

You go somewhere and have 70 people you don't know are actors trying to set up a scenario, it will fuck with people

I'm sure the show's revenue can pay for a lot of counseling.
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