Current Events > What does Black Lives Matter mean?

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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

Though my argument isn't who kills more or who has a higher propensity for becoming a mass shooter.

My argument is that BLM has been poisoned, much like feminism by the loud, hateful, ignorant, people that the media sensationalizes so the GOOD that supposed to come from such groups is overshadowed by the bad.

This doesn't make "all lives matter" an appropriate response, and doesn't make the people who say it any less ignorant.

I don't think I ever said it did...

All lives matter is a problem as well, it's basically a protest to a protest and itself isn't a "good thing."

Though I would argue that all lives matter is an appropriate response to someone that screams black lives matter that happens to be one of those crazy ignorant people i mentioned earlier. Though then you just run into the situation where two crazy ignorant people are trying to one up each other...

And in said situation they are both basically saying my race is more important then your race with colorful words.

Neither of those people are worth engaging in conversation and are better off ignored.
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It means "cops don't consider black people real people", which is a clearly fucked up statement that deserves the hate it gets, but people hide behind the deceptively optimistic "black lives matter" title like the subtext isn't there.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Some of the differences in the datasets are the result of having no universally accepted definition of mass shooting. The number of mass shootings a group tallies can vary dramatically based on how the term is defined.


This is the important part. It depends on the definition used for mass shootings. The article had some data sets that show white men committing more, and some showing they committed less.

White people are the largest group of people in the U.S. It's not unexpected that if you break the data down by race, white people would also be the largest group of mass shooters. Where are you getting your information that white people are the most over represented when it comes to mass shootings? Or that mass shootings are a "white people problem" as the left likes to claim?
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DoomSwell posted...

That's not what they're protesting, though. You just engaged in pretty crafty fallacy there.

What's worse is that you probably didn't make this meme.

Dasoku posted...

That's not what they're protesting, though. You just engaged in pretty crafty fallacy there.

What's worse is that you probably didn't make this meme.

Actually its better that I didn't make it myself, but its still true because that number includes white-cops.
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Dasoku posted...

DoomSwell posted...

That's not what they're protesting, though. You just engaged in pretty crafty fallacy there.

What's worse is that you probably didn't make this meme.

Tbf they dont even know what theyre protesting
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DoomSwell posted...

Dasoku posted...

That's not what they're protesting, though. You just engaged in pretty crafty fallacy there.

What's worse is that you probably didn't make this meme.

Actually its better that I didn't make it myself, but its still true because that number includes white-cops.

Does police brutality exist or no?
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DoomSwell posted...

Irrelevant graph

The correct response to "cops get away with killing black people too easily and too often" is not "but why don't black people care about being killed by other black people??"
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DoomSwell posted...

Dasoku posted...

That's not what they're protesting, though. You just engaged in pretty crafty fallacy there.

What's worse is that you probably didn't make this meme.

Actually its better that I didn't make it myself, but its still true because that number includes white-cops.

No, it isn't. BlackLivesMatter doesn't stand against cops killing blacks.

It stands for cops unjustly killing blacks because of their race, and just the general brutality increase towards blacks. Cops kill a lot of white people too, but the difference here is that there's tons of data to back up that it's a racially motivated theme among cops that affects black people specifically. Admittedly, I'm sure the media has probably made the issue louder than it actually is, but the problem is still there.

Twin3Turbo posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Why does the left switch back and forth between per capita and raw numbers whenever it's convenient?

Literally asking this question as Kineth is pointing out someone on the right doing EXACTLY that.

Alright. But the left tends to do this way more than the right. And they misrepresent statistics in other ways to demonize particular groups.
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Dasoku posted...

cops unjustly killing blacks because of their race

This happened
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I cant believe so many people think it means only. Like thats never been what its about.
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It means looting, destroying property, and setting cities on fire when police officers doing their job get rightfully acquitted for defending themselves against criminals.

Musourenka posted...

DoomSwell posted...

Irrelevant graph

The correct response to "cops get away with killing black people too easily and too often" is not "but why don't black people care about being killed by other black people??"

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DifferentialEquation posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Why does the left switch back and forth between per capita and raw numbers whenever it's convenient?

Literally asking this question as Kineth is pointing out someone on the right doing EXACTLY that.

Alright. But the left tends to do this way more than the right. And they misrepresent statistics in other ways to demonize particular groups.

I'm sure you have the quantified and documented data, that you surely wouldn't skew or misrepresent in order to demonize this particular group, to back up your assertions. Right? Right?

LRodC posted...

It means looting, destroying property, and setting cities on fire when police officers doing their job get rightfully acquitted for defending themselves against criminals.

Is this really a ROD alt? The ROD account definitely seemed to be on the other side than this account.
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LRodC posted...

It means looting, destroying property, and setting cities on fire when police officers doing their job get rightfully acquitted for defending themselves against criminals.

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It's an anti-responsibility movement. And, at this point -- since most of the good-intentioned folks have left the movement -- it's an umbrella for racists and other people who just hates cops and white people.
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Kineth posted...

I'm sure you have the quantified and documented data, that you surely wouldn't skew or misrepresent in order to demonize this particular group, to back up your assertions. Right? Right?

They do it all the time. Let me ask you something:

If you look at 2013: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

If you break numbers down only by race, then it shows that black people commit around half of the homicides. This data doesn't take into account any important things like income/poverty level, growing up in a single parent household, experiences of abuse as children, quality of neighborhoods/school where the offenders grew up, or any other factors that would influence a person's behavior so the data is mostly useless. Imagine how you would feel if someone were to just take these raw numbers and try to use them to paint black people in a bad light or to spread fear. Would you be okay with that? I'm guessing that you wouldn't.

So why does the left abuse similarly abuse/misuse data about white people? They're constantly using the fact that white people make up the larges group of welfare recipients or the largest group of mass shooters to try to portray white people as degenerates and as a dangerous/undesirable element of society. And they say that mass shootings are a white people problem and act like white people are the only ones that commit them. Sometimes they even go a step further and they'll see a picture a white kid who looks a bit awkward and say something "there's a mass shooter in the making". That's bigotry, plain and simple.
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KingCrabCake posted...

Dasoku posted...

DoomSwell posted...

That's not what they're protesting, though. You just engaged in pretty crafty fallacy there.

What's worse is that you probably didn't make this meme.

Tbf they dont even know what theyre protesting

We're protesting the treatment of black suspects by cops.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Dasoku posted...

DoomSwell posted...

That's not what they're protesting, though. You just engaged in pretty crafty fallacy there.

What's worse is that you probably didn't make this meme.

Tbf they dont even know what theyre protesting

We're protesting the treatment of black suspects by cops.

No theyre not. Lol they're destroying property cause a criminal was killed...example michael brown
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Black lives also matter. This should be obvious.
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All lives matter
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I blame the media tbh.

The movement is against brutality against black people, and how little the public seems to care about black victims. (A similar phenomenon occurs with child kidnapping victims)

But the media always makes a circus of the cases where the status of "victim" is debatable. There are always enough loose ends to justify the argument that the killed person deserved what happened. They do this because people are prone to outrage and fall for it. But the media doesnt care that it's stirring this kind of discontent so long as they're lining their own pockets.

There have been stories posted that further the disturbing trend of an unchecked, untrained, police force that never truly amswers for their abuses. But these are swept under the rug, or treated as supplemental anecdotes to whatever the current, ambiguous scandal is.

Though BLM would benefit from ditching the label and reorganizing. Hashtag activism can never sustain itself without devolving into self-parody
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TC told on himself in less than 10 posts
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Fuck da police
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