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dioxxys
02/06/18 5:11:24 PM
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I have a friend whom I agree a lot on but while we were echoing each others shared opinions on sjws/snowflakes he brought up how he doesnt think Trans people should be in the bathroom different from their biological sex.

Well I found my self disagreeing with him and I need to bring this up with him again and make sure he knows I dont agree with him on this. But I want to do it in a way that doesnt demonize him for it but I want to clearly let him know why I think that way and dont support his view.

My thought of logic was, well until that bill hit NC have trans always been in the bathroom of their preferred gender? We just have never known (am I wrong on this or was that not correct information?).

I know some of you will say dont be friends with a person like that. I simply cant do that. I think the way to change people is not through neglect but care. If you are too harsh on a person, that will simply strengthen their position and they will think to themselves "see how this person with that opinion treated me?" I think it fills people with bitter hate. So instead I am going to instead opt for friendship and care so instead over time he can think: "well my friend thinks this and I respect him as a person so maybe its not that bad".

On the other side of the spectrum I have my other feminist friend who I believe secretly thinks less of me for disliking sjws but wont vocalize his concerns as he avoids conflict as much as possible.

I know making this topic wont solve this but maybe some of you have some good feedback, so my ears are open.
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beefcake71090
02/06/18 6:05:26 PM
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Hi. I don't think you should try to change your friend's opinion. Unless this cause/social issue is more important to you than your friendship, then go ahead. It's not like your friend's opinion dictates public policy in a direct fashion(maybe it does, I don't know your friend). Otherwise, I wonder what the purpose of "getting" someone else to agree with you is. Perhaps for fun? I think it's far more important for people to be able to maintain a friendship with mutual respect for differing opinions. But that's just like, my opinion.
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Moonjay
02/06/18 6:09:25 PM
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Yeah you're never going to make someone change their opinion about something like that. They'll either change their mind by themselves or they won't.

If you really think you can do it calmly and not have it get nasty, you could explain your reasons that you disagree. But if it becomes a fight you're best off dropping it unless you feel like fighting until you're not friends.
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Far-Queue
02/06/18 6:16:06 PM
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More often than not, trying to force change on someone will backfire. You may end up making him less tolerant.

Best to leave it alone, and if it comes up in conversation, offer your perspective, but remain calm and respectful. Just tell them how you see things, maybe offer to introduce them to some trans people if you know any, but Id use the utmost caution in that. You dont want to expose your trans friends to someone who is going to insult them, or worse.
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Noop_Noop
02/06/18 6:41:46 PM
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The mistake you are making here is believing that you were right in the first place.

Maybe you should be the one to let him redpill YOU
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Metal_Mario99
02/06/18 6:53:19 PM
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Try not calling him intolerant for a start. Cripes, everybody who disagrees with anything these days is called "intolerant". I'm pretty sure your friend tolerates transsexuals just fine.
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Nichtcrawler X
02/06/18 7:14:10 PM
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Nothing legally binding about the plates at public toilets, just formalities.

Aside from that, I think toilets are based on the "tools" and not anything else, which would suggest sex instead of gender in this case being the relevant aspect in the decision of which toilet to go to (or how badly you need to go, obviously in which case any toilet would do)
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RoboXgp89
02/06/18 7:28:50 PM
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we have unisex bathrooms at school no changing in them
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ExtremeM65
02/06/18 7:37:55 PM
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If you want to change ANYONE'S opinion, you need to ask questions that make them reconsider their own stance. To start with, I'd ask something like," if someone was so legitimately trans that they completely transitioned their physical appearance to the point where anyone would look at them and say they are (whatever sex you are talking about), would you deny that they should be able to use that bathroom?"

If they disagree with the more reasonable stances, then there's no reason to go further.Unless, as others have said, you're will to risk your friendship, or at least a very real argument.
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dioxxys
02/06/18 8:01:57 PM
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Metal_Mario99 posted...
Try not calling him intolerant for a start. Cripes, everybody who disagrees with anything these days is called "intolerant". I'm pretty sure your friend tolerates transsexuals just fine.

He thinks traps in anime shouldnt exist
He literally is appalled at the sight of feminine men in any sort of media
He wont even sit next to my brothers boy friend and refered to him as an it.
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Nichtcrawler X
02/06/18 8:08:03 PM
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dioxxys posted...
He wont even sit next to my brothers boy friend and refered to him as an it.


That should have been a point of discussion a long time ago.
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Moonjay
02/06/18 8:22:50 PM
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Uhh why are you still friends with someone who calls your brother's boyfriend an it?
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