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Roxborough4Ever
02/02/18 2:08:43 PM
#202:


CEs_EFG posted...
_____Cait posted...
Can someone explain this , Im lost.


basically an FBI agent got paid 120,000 to try to get info on Trump and Russia and when he couldn't find anything he bullshitted it to start spying on Trump's campaign


dude that is Alex Jones levels of bullshit, you have been listening too wayyyyy to much coast to coast AM.....tone down the art bell and just accept trump is a "bad man" and accept that the pee tapes are a possibility
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LordRazziel
02/02/18 2:09:15 PM
#203:


tommybel89 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
James Comey
@Comey

Thats it? Dishonest and misleading memo wrecked the House intel committee, destroyed trust with Intelligence Community, damaged relationship with FISA court, and inexcusably exposed classified investigation of an American citizen. For what? DOJ & FBI must keep doing their jobs.

1:47 PM - 2 Feb 2018

Haha, I love James' damage control. He and the media have spent the week trying to soften the blow of a devastating document. This is what the fake news does: priming the drones to see their narrative as true and the memo as fake.

That's exactly what the memo is doing.
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Kazi1212
02/02/18 2:09:17 PM
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The Great Muta 22
02/02/18 2:09:31 PM
#205:


CEs_EFG posted...
you went from just shit posting "this is a nothing burger" to "i need more details!"

it's pretty damn sad imo at least don't try to show your bias before you get blasted from not even reading the memo


And clearly you don't want to discuss this issue or acknowledge any points and instead just throw random one-liners out. Shame
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Bloodychess
02/02/18 2:09:45 PM
#206:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
I can't wait for them all to be fired and go to jail, including fucking Mueller.


Lmao why would Mueller be going to jail?


For investigating the Glorious Leader
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UrCa1988
02/02/18 2:10:56 PM
#207:


darkphoenix181 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
lilORANG posted...
LOL

so it's a summary of publicly available information?

More or less

It restates info that's been available in a somewhat angry tone


I thought the FBI director said it was inaccurate and misleading. If it is just info we already known, how could that statement be possible?


It is inaccurate and misleading in that it's cherrypicking 5% of information from a document and publishing it as "facts."
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KingArthur3D
02/02/18 2:11:06 PM
#208:


Looks like those rappers from the 80's/90's were right about the government/FBI/media...
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davyheinz
02/02/18 2:11:21 PM
#209:


Its sad that there is this much arguing happening over a nothingburger.
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Newhopes
02/02/18 2:12:10 PM
#210:


This is actually Watergate level shit.
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Jaded_Dragon
02/02/18 2:12:15 PM
#211:


HypnoCoosh posted...
Dems think they are above the law. This is shameful.


Last time I checked Bush and Cheney were free citizens. Pot meet kettle.
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LordRazziel
02/02/18 2:12:35 PM
#212:


davyheinz posted...
Its sad that there is this much arguing happening over a nothingburger.

Have you seen when CE discusses gaming consoles?
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Jaded_Dragon
02/02/18 2:13:00 PM
#213:


Bloodychess posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
I can't wait for them all to be fired and go to jail, including fucking Mueller.


Lmao why would Mueller be going to jail?


For investigating the Glorious Leader


You didn't know we were living in North Korea now?
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Samurontai
02/02/18 2:14:01 PM
#214:


This topic just proves that every Trump supporter on this site is just a shit poster lol
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The Great Muta 22
02/02/18 2:14:53 PM
#215:


https://twitter.com/TGowdySC/status/959495152770469888


@TGowdySC
41m41 minutes ago

While this memo raises serious concerns with the FISA process, I have been and remain confident in the overwhelming majority of the men and women serving at the FBI and DOJ.



@TGowdySC

As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation.


Let me guess, Trey Gowdy is now considered a "corrupt RINO/secret Democrat!" now?
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darkphoenix181
02/02/18 2:15:31 PM
#216:


UrCa1988 posted...
It is inaccurate and misleading in that it's cherrypicking 5% of information from a document and publishing it as "facts."


You put facts in quotations. Are you saying what is said in the memo that apparently we already knew is not true?
These are lies?
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davyheinz
02/02/18 2:17:12 PM
#217:


LordRazziel posted...
davyheinz posted...
Its sad that there is this much arguing happening over a nothingburger.

Have you seen when CE discusses gaming consoles?

Ive seen some.
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Kim Kusanagi
02/02/18 2:19:42 PM
#218:


glitteringfairy posted...
Doom_Art posted...
* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.


This has literally been public knowledge for months lol

Doom_Art damage control begins!


Except that he's right. I don't see anything that was previously unknown.
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Uncle Choad
02/02/18 2:21:05 PM
#219:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
https://twitter.com/TGowdySC/status/959495152770469888


@TGowdySC
41m41 minutes ago

While this memo raises serious concerns with the FISA process, I have been and remain confident in the overwhelming majority of the men and women serving at the FBI and DOJ.



@TGowdySC

As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation.


Let me guess, Trey Gowdy is now considered a "corrupt RINO/secret Democrat!" now?


I'm pretty sure he's just saying that Mueller has a lot of integrity with his investigations...
...which is probably why they've found nothing on Trump after a year of it.
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UrCa1988
02/02/18 2:21:46 PM
#220:


darkphoenix181 posted...
UrCa1988 posted...
It is inaccurate and misleading in that it's cherrypicking 5% of information from a document and publishing it as "facts."


You put facts in quotations. Are you saying what is said in the memo that apparently we already knew is not true?
These are lies?

Intentionally omitting a large amount of information integral for context can turn truth into lies. Imagine that. It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together to notice that condensing a 50-60 page document to 4 pages is going to leave out a tremendous amount of context.
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SuperShake666
02/02/18 2:22:14 PM
#221:


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Nomadic View
02/02/18 2:23:01 PM
#222:


Kim Kusanagi posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
Doom_Art posted...
* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.


This has literally been public knowledge for months lol

Doom_Art damage control begins!


Except that he's right. I don't see anything that was previously unknown.


Its not stuff that was previously known. Its confirmation of widespread speculation.
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Hinakuluiau
02/02/18 2:24:06 PM
#223:


Nomadic View posted...
Its confirmation of widespread speculation.

True
There was a FISA surveillance on Page since 2013 - they had recordings from Russian spies that Carter was their agent
The counterintelligence investigation began before the FISA applications against Page, Papadopoulos was already under investigation

Really wouldn't be surprised if the memo is going to backfire on them. They think the memo says "the FBI used information from the Steele memos," but it ends up confirming a lot of the information reported by the "fake news."
Now we have government confirmation that Carter Page was under investigation since 2013, Papadopoulos was the reason the FBI started a counter-intelligence investigation into the Trump campaign, and that a Trump appointed member of the Justice Department thought the evidence against Page was strong enough to approve a renewal of a FISA warrant.
And what gets me is that the biggest paragraph is the last one. Basically confirmed the investigation started with Papadopoulus and the Australians, not Carter Page. So they inadvertently confirmed something (the NYT story) they claimed was fake news.

They're hoping that the Trump-faithful will completely over-look the fact that there are, in fact, many reasons why the FBI should be investigating Page's shady dealings and instead focus on the words "Clinton," "Democrats," "clear bias against Trump," etc.

This memo was set up for a single reason: give the right-wing propaganda machine enough faux-ammo to cry "BIAS" and hope it works well enough that this whole "Russia thing" goes away.
Guess what: it's not. And if you think it is, you're being played.
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The Great Muta 22
02/02/18 2:24:13 PM
#224:


Look at Jeff Sessions defend Rosenstein and the Russia probe:

"Attorney General Jeff Sessions defended his deputy, Rod Rosenstein, on Friday in the face of criticism from the president, who wouldn't say if he still has confidence in Rosenstein.

Sessions broke from prepared remarks in a speech on human trafficking. He praised Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who is overseeing the special counsel's Russia probe, as well as the department's No. 3 official, Rachel Brand.

Standing on a stage with them, Sessions said both are experienced lawyers and "represent the kind of quality and leadership that we want in the department."

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Doom_Art
02/02/18 2:24:35 PM
#225:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Look at Jeff Sessions defend Rosenstein and the Russia probe:

Didn't see that coming lol
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Newhopes
02/02/18 2:25:10 PM
#226:


Worst Case: The FBI actually colluded with the DNC and helped with and/or relied on opposition research of the RNC candidate at the time and intentionally used said information source to commit espionage on the RNC candidate.

Best Case: The dossier left out some information that shows that certain information was not properly conveyed to other parts of the FBI and/or DOJ and/or other institutions due to grave communication problems. Essentially it would be the Hillary Clinton defense of "having been extremely careless" or that of simply being incompetent.

What the memo shows is either the FBI colluded or help the DNC during the election, they are incompetent - or both.
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darkjedilink
02/02/18 2:26:05 PM
#227:


UrCa1988 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
UrCa1988 posted...
It is inaccurate and misleading in that it's cherrypicking 5% of information from a document and publishing it as "facts."


You put facts in quotations. Are you saying what is said in the memo that apparently we already knew is not true?
These are lies?

Intentionally omitting a large amount of information integral for context can turn truth into lies. Imagine that. It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together to notice that condensing a 50-60 page document to 4 pages is going to leave out a tremendous amount of context.

Sort of like not telling a judge that you're going for a FISA warrant on a member of a Presidential campaign team based on fake info from said campaign's political rival, who is also a member of the current President's Cabinet...
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Mr_Biscuit
02/02/18 2:26:19 PM
#228:


It is wild that a bunch of Republican intelligence officials that were mostly appointed by Trump and are still being backed by McCain, Gowdy, Sessions, et all are the new LOCK THEM UP targets for the MAGA enthusiasts. Theyre not even conservatives, theyre Trump stans.
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byrone
02/02/18 2:26:53 PM
#229:


darkjedilink posted...
UrCa1988 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
UrCa1988 posted...
It is inaccurate and misleading in that it's cherrypicking 5% of information from a document and publishing it as "facts."


You put facts in quotations. Are you saying what is said in the memo that apparently we already knew is not true?
These are lies?

Intentionally omitting a large amount of information integral for context can turn truth into lies. Imagine that. It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together to notice that condensing a 50-60 page document to 4 pages is going to leave out a tremendous amount of context.

Sort of like not telling a judge that you're going for a FISA warrant on a member of a Presidential campaign team based on fake info from said campaign's political rival, who is also a member of the current President's Cabinet...

@darkjedilink You're a known spreader of fake news
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The Great Muta 22
02/02/18 2:26:56 PM
#230:


Doom_Art posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Look at Jeff Sessions defend Rosenstein and the Russia probe:

Didn't see that coming lol


Sessions actions, from his recusing to all his defense and statements on the probe, always made me think he knows a lot of legitimate legal issues with what happened with Russia and while he may be slightly involved, he's not completely cooked and is just trying to save his own ass.
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KazumaKiryu
02/02/18 2:30:10 PM
#232:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
I can't wait for them all to be fired and go to jail, including fucking Mueller.


Lmao why would Mueller be going to jail?


Because the entire investigation is a farce.
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Doom_Art
02/02/18 2:30:38 PM
#233:


KazumaKiryu posted...
Because the entire investigation is a farce.

where are you pulling that from
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Antifar
02/02/18 2:31:14 PM
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The Great Muta 22
02/02/18 2:31:33 PM
#235:


KazumaKiryu posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
I can't wait for them all to be fired and go to jail, including fucking Mueller.


Lmao why would Mueller be going to jail?


Because the entire investigation is a farce.


Just admit you want to lock up anyone who doesn't support Trump already
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KazumaKiryu
02/02/18 2:32:14 PM
#236:


Antifar posted...
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/959499923346677762


CNN to the rescue with bullshit claims from democrats, who would have thought it!
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darkphoenix181
02/02/18 2:33:16 PM
#237:


KazumaKiryu posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
I can't wait for them all to be fired and go to jail, including fucking Mueller.


Lmao why would Mueller be going to jail?


Because the entire investigation is a farce.


You believe that Micheal Flynn did nothing wrong?
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Error1355
02/02/18 2:34:02 PM
#238:


Still looking forward to the inevitable nuclear winter.
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UrCa1988
02/02/18 2:34:11 PM
#239:


darkjedilink posted...
UrCa1988 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
UrCa1988 posted...
It is inaccurate and misleading in that it's cherrypicking 5% of information from a document and publishing it as "facts."


You put facts in quotations. Are you saying what is said in the memo that apparently we already knew is not true?
These are lies?

Intentionally omitting a large amount of information integral for context can turn truth into lies. Imagine that. It doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together to notice that condensing a 50-60 page document to 4 pages is going to leave out a tremendous amount of context.

Sort of like not telling a judge that you're going for a FISA warrant on a member of a Presidential campaign team based on fake info from said campaign's political rival, who is also a member of the current President's Cabinet...

And which campaign member would that be?
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KazumaKiryu
02/02/18 2:37:17 PM
#241:


shockthemonkey posted...
Antifar posted...
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/959499923346677762

lmao the memo itself could all be fake news


You'd want so badly for that to be true, wouldn't you?

Even though this resulted in the firing of an FBI director and they tried everything they could to stop us from getting the information
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Newhopes
02/02/18 2:37:25 PM
#242:


KazumaKiryu posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
I can't wait for them all to be fired and go to jail, including fucking Mueller.


Lmao why would Mueller be going to jail?


Because the entire investigation is a farce.


It doesn't show Mueller is involved, it shows some of the Top brass inside the FBI where probably knowingly using false information to spy on a presidential candidate.

The people that could be investigated are people like strzok, Mccabe and Comey.
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Funbazooka
02/02/18 2:39:30 PM
#243:


Remember when the Dems said Trump was crazy and outrageous for saying he was being spied on?
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HypnoCoosh
02/02/18 2:39:59 PM
#244:


Funbazooka posted...
Remember when the Dems said Trump was crazy and outrageous for saying he was being spied on?


i memeber
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KazumaKiryu
02/02/18 2:39:59 PM
#245:


Newhopes posted...
The people that could be investigated are people like strzok, Mccabe and Comey.


Them and Page are for sure going to jail. I think we'll uncover that Mueller was in on it too, as well as Clinton, obviously. Let's not forget that this whole thing was about protecting Clinton.
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The Great Muta 22
02/02/18 2:40:45 PM
#247:


shockthemonkey posted...
Antifar posted...
https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/959499923346677762

lmao the memo itself could all be fake news


Exactly. I want to see McCabes actual testimony and his answer before confirming that if that statement is true or false.
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Doom_Art
02/02/18 2:41:19 PM
#248:


KazumaKiryu posted...
Them and Page are for sure going to jail. I think we'll uncover that Mueller was in on it too, as well as Clinton, obviously. Let's not forget that this whole thing was about protecting Clinton.

im sorry but what
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Nomadic View
02/02/18 2:42:14 PM
#249:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
lilORANG posted...
LOL

so it's a summary of publicly available information?


From what I gather so far it alleges:

- Steele was biased against Trump
- The dossier was used in part to reauthorize the FISA warrant on Carter Page, someone who was under investigation since 2013
- The FBI/DOJ purposely left out the origins of the Steele dossier from the FISA court and that it could have changed the courts mind, which is something the FBI denies

And that's about it...


@The_Great_Muta_22

You seriously think thats a good argument?

Are you ok with law enforcement submitting material that law enforcement knows is false when they apply for a warrant? Even in part? Do you think that is an acceptable practice?

Ill await your subsequent dodging of the question and deflection.
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Mr_Biscuit
02/02/18 2:42:14 PM
#250:


KazumaKiryu posted...
Newhopes posted...
The people that could be investigated are people like strzok, Mccabe and Comey.


Them and Page are for sure going to jail. I think we'll uncover that Mueller was in on it too, as well as Clinton, obviously. Let's not forget that this whole thing was about protecting Clinton.

KazumaKiryu posted...
You'd want so badly for that to be true, wouldn't you?

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tommybel89
02/02/18 2:42:18 PM
#251:


Assange posted this the other day. All of it is verifiable if you dig around. That's why you should question almost everything you see from the big outlets and the elite magazines.

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