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byrone 01/31/18 10:30:20 PM #1:	Corporation only goal is profit <cite>byrone posted [p:895215651] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>Corporation only goal is profit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Millennials 01/31/18 10:32:26 PM #2:	They aspire to be the corporation. --- http://i.imgur.com/u0U1NGj.jpg <cite>Millennials posted [p:895215784] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>They aspire to be the corporation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
byrone 01/31/18 10:41:32 PM #3:	Millennials posted... They aspire to be the corporation. I identify as a predatory payday loan company <cite>byrone posted [p:895216300] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>Millennials posted...</cite> <quote>They aspire to be the corporation.</quote> I identify as a predatory payday loan company</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 01/31/18 10:45:41 PM #4:	Because you can stop engaging with a corporation if you believe they violated your trust, with governments youre essentially forced to engage with this institution daily, hence people have higher standards for the government thereby making it harder to trust more --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:895216516] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>Because you can stop engaging with a corporation if you believe they violated your trust, with governments youre essentially forced to engage with this institution daily, hence people have higher standards for the government thereby making it harder to trust more</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
byrone 01/31/18 11:24:36 PM #5:	Kazi1212 posted... Because you can stop engaging with a corporation if you believe they violated your trust Not in many cases. <cite>byrone posted [p:895218471] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>Because you can stop engaging with a corporation if you believe they violated your trust</quote> Not in many cases.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 01/31/18 11:26:26 PM #6:	Kazi1212 posted... Because you can stop engaging with a corporation if you believe they violated your trust, with governments youre essentially forced to engage with this institution daily, hence people have higher standards for the government thereby making it harder to trust more In reality it is the opposite. You can vote out bad politicians, but you can't stop a company from owning subsidiaries that give them a monopoly on certain essential industries. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:895218551] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>Because you can stop engaging with a corporation if you believe they violated your trust, with governments youre essentially forced to engage with this institution daily, hence people have higher standards for the government thereby making it harder to trust more</quote> In reality it is the opposite. You can vote out bad politicians, but you can't stop a company from owning subsidiaries that give them a monopoly on certain essential industries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 01/31/18 11:28:15 PM #7:	Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad? --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:895218645] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 01/31/18 11:42:42 PM #8:	Dash_Harber posted... Kazi1212 posted... Because you can stop engaging with a corporation if you believe they violated your trust, with governments youre essentially forced to engage with this institution daily, hence people have higher standards for the government thereby making it harder to trust more In reality it is the opposite. You can vote out bad politicians, but you can't stop a company from owning subsidiaries that give them a monopoly on certain essential industries. But whos inept at stopping monopolies from materializing in the first place? Its the government. Of course corporations will try to monopolize if its in their best interest according to current laws and regulations, our government is supposed to enforce laws so that isnt the case, its supposed to play a balancing of power role in all of this. Which is why we have significantly higher standards for trusting the government, its job is much more critical to daily lives than corporations who we have at least some power in resisting. --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:895219350] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>Because you can stop engaging with a corporation if you believe they violated your trust, with governments youre essentially forced to engage with this institution daily, hence people have higher standards for the government thereby making it harder to trust more</quote> In reality it is the opposite. You can vote out bad politicians, but you can't stop a company from owning subsidiaries that give them a monopoly on certain essential industries.</quote> But whos inept at stopping monopolies from materializing in the first place? Its the government. Of course corporations will try to monopolize if its in their best interest according to current laws and regulations, our government is supposed to enforce laws so that isnt the case, its supposed to play a balancing of power role in all of this. Which is why we have significantly higher standards for trusting the government, its job is much more critical to daily lives than corporations who we have at least some power in resisting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 01/31/18 11:45:03 PM #9:	Kazi1212 posted... Dash_Harber posted... Kazi1212 posted... Because you can stop engaging with a corporation if you believe they violated your trust, with governments youre essentially forced to engage with this institution daily, hence people have higher standards for the government thereby making it harder to trust more In reality it is the opposite. You can vote out bad politicians, but you can't stop a company from owning subsidiaries that give them a monopoly on certain essential industries. But whos inept at stopping monopolies from materializing in the first place? Its the government. Of course corporations will try to monopolize if its in their best interest according to current laws and regulations, our government is supposed to enforce laws so that isnt the case, its supposed to play a balancing of power role in all of this. Which is why we have significantly higher standards for trusting the government, its job is much more critical to daily lives than corporations who we have at least some power in resisting. I'm not arguing, I'm just saying that currently monopolies form and the illusion of choice means that we should trust corporations a lot less. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:895219455] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>Because you can stop engaging with a corporation if you believe they violated your trust, with governments youre essentially forced to engage with this institution daily, hence people have higher standards for the government thereby making it harder to trust more</quote> In reality it is the opposite. You can vote out bad politicians, but you can't stop a company from owning subsidiaries that give them a monopoly on certain essential industries.</quote> But whos inept at stopping monopolies from materializing in the first place? Its the government. Of course corporations will try to monopolize if its in their best interest according to current laws and regulations, our government is supposed to enforce laws so that isnt the case, its supposed to play a balancing of power role in all of this. Which is why we have significantly higher standards for trusting the government, its job is much more critical to daily lives than corporations who we have at least some power in resisting.</quote> I'm not arguing, I'm just saying that currently monopolies form and the illusion of choice means that we should trust corporations a lot less.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 01/31/18 11:48:37 PM #10:	In the last 100 years, how many deaths were corporations responsible for vs. governments? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:895219660] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>In the last 100 years, how many deaths were corporations responsible for vs. governments?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SolKarellen 01/31/18 11:53:05 PM #11:	They're not corporations, they're job creators! Get with the program! --- We were thinking of naming the baby Ellipsis, but it seemed so...typographical. <cite>SolKarellen posted [p:895219903] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>They're not corporations, they're job creators! Get with the program!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
josifrees 01/31/18 11:55:11 PM #12:	Stockholm syndrome --- Quit Crying <cite>josifrees posted [p:895220014] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>Stockholm syndrome</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vertania 01/31/18 11:56:50 PM #13:	Ideally, corporations compete, which would lead to more options for the consumer, lower prices, better services. That's not always the case, since monopolies are a thing. Government, on the other hand, tends to be a much more controlled alternative. It can make things safer and more ethical, but can often lead to inefficiencies and reduce competition. It's definitely necessary to have them step in at times; the complaint is that they overstep and insert themselves into too many unneeded and unwanted positions. <cite>Vertania posted [p:895220084] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>Ideally, corporations compete, which would lead to more options for the consumer, lower prices, better services. That's not always the case, since monopolies are a thing. Government, on the other hand, tends to be a much more controlled alternative. It can make things safer and more ethical, but can often lead to inefficiencies and reduce competition. It's definitely necessary to have them step in at times; the complaint is that they overstep and insert themselves into too many unneeded and unwanted positions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
byrone 02/01/18 12:06:36 AM #14:	DoctorVader posted... Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad? Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more <cite>byrone posted [p:895220549] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad?</quote> Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 02/01/18 12:08:58 AM #15:	byrone posted... DoctorVader posted... Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad? Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more The government can have way less power and still protect people from criminal businesses. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:895220683] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad?</quote> Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more</quote> The government can have way less power and still protect people from criminal businesses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 02/01/18 12:09:19 AM #16:	You answered in your topic. Corporations want to profit, thus are actually malleable to the public will. They're also extremely predictable due to this most of the time. The government though, especially currently, is... unpredictable. People dislike uncertainty. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:895220703] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>You answered in your topic. Corporations want to profit, thus are actually malleable to the public will. They're also extremely predictable due to this most of the time. The government though, especially currently, is... unpredictable. People dislike uncertainty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 02/01/18 12:09:56 AM #17:	byrone posted... DoctorVader posted... Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad? Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:895220732] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad?</quote> Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 02/01/18 12:10:55 AM #18:	byrone posted... Corporation only goal is profit Politicians' only goal is to get elected Humanity's only goal is to self-serve --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:895220776] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote>Corporation only goal is profit </quote> Politicians' only goal is to get elected Humanity's only goal is to self-serve</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 02/01/18 12:12:29 AM #19:	Because corporations are actually honest with their intentions. They want to create profit for their shareholders. Government is not. --- Smiled as fierce as a forty pounder. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:895220863] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>Because corporations are actually honest with their intentions. They want to create profit for their shareholders. Government is not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
byrone 02/01/18 12:15:32 AM #20:	Coffeebeanz posted... Politicians' only goal is to get elected By people who can vote them out if they aren't representing their interests. <cite>byrone posted [p:895221007] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote> Politicians' only goal is to get elected</quote> By people who can vote them out if they aren't representing their interests.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
byrone 02/01/18 12:16:06 AM #21:	Kazi1212 posted... byrone posted... DoctorVader posted... Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad? Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more The people stop bad government <cite>byrone posted [p:895221042] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad?</quote> Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more</quote> </quote> The people stop bad government</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/01/18 12:17:40 AM #22:	Most people in first world countries benefit from a corporations greed. If the next phone is cheaper because they're exploiting kids in a third world country or giving people in poor areas a shitty minimum wage then so be it. Maybe trust isn't the right word. "Fuck you got mine" people have more to worry about from the Government because they don't want their lives to change even slightly. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:895221111] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>Most people in first world countries benefit from a corporations greed. If the next phone is cheaper because they're exploiting kids in a third world country or giving people in poor areas a shitty minimum wage then so be it. Maybe trust isn't the right word. "Fuck you got mine" people have more to worry about from the Government because they don't want their lives to change even slightly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 02/01/18 12:18:00 AM #23:	byrone posted... Kazi1212 posted... byrone posted... DoctorVader posted... Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad? Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more The people stop bad government I mean, the government very often just lies to or ignores people. Corporations perk those ears up right quick if their profits start dropping, though. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:895221131] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad?</quote> Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more</quote> </quote> The people stop bad government</quote> I mean, the government very often just lies to or ignores people. Corporations perk those ears up right quick if their profits start dropping, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 02/01/18 12:25:41 AM #24:	byrone posted... Kazi1212 posted... byrone posted... DoctorVader posted... Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad? Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more The people stop bad government If the people can stop bad government, then the byproduct of that achievement would be an end to bad corporations and monopolies. One comes of higher import before the other, thats why theres higher standards placed on one more than the other. Am I misunderstanding something here? --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:895221513] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad?</quote> Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more</quote> </quote> The people stop bad government</quote> If the people can stop bad government, then the byproduct of that achievement would be an end to bad corporations and monopolies. One comes of higher import before the other, thats why theres higher standards placed on one more than the other. Am I misunderstanding something here?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 02/01/18 12:28:37 AM #25:	Corporations have a high incentive to be efficient and offer good service. If they don't they tend to die. Government has less incentive to be efficient as they have no competition and it is harder for them to die. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:895221649] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>Corporations have a high incentive to be efficient and offer good service. If they don't they tend to die. Government has less incentive to be efficient as they have no competition and it is harder for them to die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
byrone 02/01/18 12:30:45 AM #26:	Kazi1212 posted... byrone posted... Kazi1212 posted... byrone posted... DoctorVader posted... Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad? Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more The people stop bad government If the people can stop bad government, then the byproduct of that achievement would be an end to bad corporations and monopolies. One comes of higher import before the other, thats why theres higher standards placed on one more than the other. Am I misunderstanding something here? Yes because you said yourself Corporations will do anything that they can legally get away with. That's why there are antitrust laws in the case of monopolies. That's something that the government did to stop corporations from gaining too much power. <cite>byrone posted [p:895221737] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad?</quote> Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more</quote> </quote> The people stop bad government</quote> If the people can stop bad government, then the byproduct of that achievement would be an end to bad corporations and monopolies. One comes of higher import before the other, thats why theres higher standards placed on one more than the other. Am I misunderstanding something here?</quote> Yes because you said yourself Corporations will do anything that they can legally get away with. That's why there are antitrust laws in the case of monopolies. That's something that the government did to stop corporations from gaining too much power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vertania 02/01/18 12:35:44 AM #27:	byrone posted... The people stop bad government Eh... Not really. Boycotting a shitty company is a lot easier and more efficient than trying to change the government. Most states and counties have their parties locked in; it's almost always going to be Republican in the southeast and middle America, while the coasts will almost always go Democrat. At best, you can try to pick who fills their party's seat, but that rarely changes much. And lol if you think third parties have a realistic chance at getting anywhere. The whole system is set up to make that virtually impossible. <cite>Vertania posted [p:895221941] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote>The people stop bad government</quote> Eh... Not really. Boycotting a shitty company is a lot easier and more efficient than trying to change the government. Most states and counties have their parties locked in; it's almost always going to be Republican in the southeast and middle America, while the coasts will almost always go Democrat. At best, you can try to pick who fills their party's seat, but that rarely changes much. And lol if you think third parties have a realistic chance at getting anywhere. The whole system is set up to make that virtually impossible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 02/01/18 12:37:03 AM #28:	byrone posted... Kazi1212 posted... byrone posted... Kazi1212 posted... byrone posted... DoctorVader posted... Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad? Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more The people stop bad government If the people can stop bad government, then the byproduct of that achievement would be an end to bad corporations and monopolies. One comes of higher import before the other, thats why theres higher standards placed on one more than the other. Am I misunderstanding something here? Yes because you said yourself Corporations will do anything that they can legally get away with. That's why there are antitrust laws in the case of monopolies. That's something that the government did to stop corporations from gaining too much power. Well, clearly the antitrust laws arent effective right? Surely we can have more effective regulations in place if it wasnt for the impotency of the government. And if the government rules and regulations cant stop monopolies from becoming a thing, then how is it even a legitimate institution? Thats the whole point of it --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:895222010] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad?</quote> Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more</quote> </quote> The people stop bad government</quote> If the people can stop bad government, then the byproduct of that achievement would be an end to bad corporations and monopolies. One comes of higher import before the other, thats why theres higher standards placed on one more than the other. Am I misunderstanding something here?</quote> Yes because you said yourself Corporations will do anything that they can legally get away with. That's why there are antitrust laws in the case of monopolies. That's something that the government did to stop corporations from gaining too much power.</quote> Well, clearly the antitrust laws arent effective right? Surely we can have more effective regulations in place if it wasnt for the impotency of the government. And if the government rules and regulations cant stop monopolies from becoming a thing, then how is it even a legitimate institution? Thats the whole point of it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
byrone 02/01/18 12:42:28 AM #29:	Kazi1212 posted... byrone posted... Kazi1212 posted... byrone posted... Kazi1212 posted... byrone posted... DoctorVader posted... Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad? Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more The people stop bad government If the people can stop bad government, then the byproduct of that achievement would be an end to bad corporations and monopolies. One comes of higher import before the other, thats why theres higher standards placed on one more than the other. Am I misunderstanding something here? Yes because you said yourself Corporations will do anything that they can legally get away with. That's why there are antitrust laws in the case of monopolies. That's something that the government did to stop corporations from gaining too much power. Well, clearly the antitrust laws arent effective right? Surely we can have more effective regulations in place if it wasnt for the impotency of the government. And if the government rules and regulations cant stop monopolies from becoming a thing, then how is it even a legitimate institution? Thats the whole point of it They are effective in many cases. They're not perfect but nothing is perfect. If it wasn't for government stopping corporations, there'd still be 9 year olds working in mines, lack of vehicle safety, and many other things. I'm not saying either should be trusted completely. I'm saying I don't understand how people would trust corporations more. <cite>byrone posted [p:895222217] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz u can run to the gov when corps go bad. Who do you run to when the govs go bad?</quote> Exactly. Which is why people should trust government more</quote> </quote> The people stop bad government</quote> If the people can stop bad government, then the byproduct of that achievement would be an end to bad corporations and monopolies. One comes of higher import before the other, thats why theres higher standards placed on one more than the other. Am I misunderstanding something here?</quote> Yes because you said yourself Corporations will do anything that they can legally get away with. That's why there are antitrust laws in the case of monopolies. That's something that the government did to stop corporations from gaining too much power.</quote> Well, clearly the antitrust laws arent effective right? Surely we can have more effective regulations in place if it wasnt for the impotency of the government. And if the government rules and regulations cant stop monopolies from becoming a thing, then how is it even a legitimate institution? Thats the whole point of it</quote> They are effective in many cases. They're not perfect but nothing is perfect. If it wasn't for government stopping corporations, there'd still be 9 year olds working in mines, lack of vehicle safety, and many other things. I'm not saying either should be trusted completely. I'm saying I don't understand how people would trust corporations more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 02/01/18 12:46:31 AM #30:	byrone posted... I'm not saying either should be trusted completely. I'm saying I don't understand how people would trust corporations more. Maybe because after being repeatedly lied to by government, intelligent people stop trusting them. --- Smiled as fierce as a forty pounder. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:895222382] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote> I'm not saying either should be trusted completely. I'm saying I don't understand how people would trust corporations more.</quote> Maybe because after being repeatedly lied to by government, intelligent people stop trusting them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
byrone 02/01/18 12:49:00 AM #31:	r4X0r posted... byrone posted... I'm not saying either should be trusted completely. I'm saying I don't understand how people would trust corporations more. Maybe because after being repeatedly lied to by government, intelligent people stop trusting them. What are some of the government lies that have made you stop trusting them? <cite>byrone posted [p:895222494] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote> I'm not saying either should be trusted completely. I'm saying I don't understand how people would trust corporations more.</quote> Maybe because after being repeatedly lied to by government, intelligent people stop trusting them.</quote> What are some of the government lies that have made you stop trusting them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 02/01/18 12:50:58 AM #32:	I'm not saying either should be trusted completely. I'm saying I don't understand how people would trust corporations more. Im not saying either should be trusted completely as well, but I feel the exact opposite way for the reasons discussed. The consequences of one being corrupted is far harsher and its ripples far wider reaching than the consequences of the other --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:895222557] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><quote> I'm not saying either should be trusted completely. I'm saying I don't understand how people would trust corporations more.</quote> Im not saying either should be trusted completely as well, but I feel the exact opposite way for the reasons discussed. The consequences of one being corrupted is far harsher and its ripples far wider reaching than the consequences of the other</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
byrone 02/01/18 1:11:38 AM #33:	Kazi1212 posted... I'm not saying either should be trusted completely. I'm saying I don't understand how people would trust corporations more. Im not saying either should be trusted completely as well, but I feel the exact opposite way for the reasons discussed. The consequences of one being corrupted is far harsher and its ripples far wider reaching than the consequences of the other But at the end of the day the government is elected by the people. This country was founded by people being fed up with a government they deemed corrupt. Corporations can never be completely controlled by the government in our capitalist economy and they shouldn't. You keep talking about hypothetical corruption while corporations are actively doing everything they can to look out for themselves. But the government is looking out for citizens more than corporations. Agree to disagree I guess <cite>byrone posted [p:895223368] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><quote> I'm not saying either should be trusted completely. I'm saying I don't understand how people would trust corporations more.</quote> Im not saying either should be trusted completely as well, but I feel the exact opposite way for the reasons discussed. The consequences of one being corrupted is far harsher and its ripples far wider reaching than the consequences of the other</quote> But at the end of the day the government is elected by the people. This country was founded by people being fed up with a government they deemed corrupt. Corporations can never be completely controlled by the government in our capitalist economy and they shouldn't. You keep talking about hypothetical corruption while corporations are actively doing everything they can to look out for themselves. But the government is looking out for citizens more than corporations. Agree to disagree I guess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 02/01/18 1:23:35 AM #34:	Do you consider something like lobbyists and special interests influencing politicians in regards to policy making a form of corruption? If so, then its really not all that hypothetical. I personally do consider it corruption, even though it can be legally done, but the law can sometimes be corrupt and ineffective if we have a corrupt government. My personal opinion is the government has for all intents and purposes been co-opted by the influence of corporations and monopolistic forces, and thats why I trust the government even less. Corporations have various degrees of power from one corporation to another, the government has absolute power which can be abused in the wrong hands, and hands arent all that easy to change in the government, it takes time by which damage will have been already done. --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:895223813] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>Do you consider something like lobbyists and special interests influencing politicians in regards to policy making a form of corruption? If so, then its really not all that hypothetical. I personally do consider it corruption, even though it can be legally done, but the law can sometimes be corrupt and ineffective if we have a corrupt government. My personal opinion is the government has for all intents and purposes been co-opted by the influence of corporations and monopolistic forces, and thats why I trust the government even less. Corporations have various degrees of power from one corporation to another, the government has absolute power which can be abused in the wrong hands, and hands arent all that easy to change in the government, it takes time by which damage will have been already done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
byrone 02/01/18 1:26:39 AM #35:	Kazi1212 posted... Do you consider something like lobbyists and special interests influencing politicians in regards to policy making a form of corruption? If so, then its really not all that hypothetical. I personally do consider it corruption, even though it can be legally done, but the law can sometimes be corrupt and ineffective if we have a corrupt government. My personal opinion is the government has for all intents and purposes been co-opted by the influence of corporations and monopolistic forces, and thats why I trust the government even less. Corporations have various degrees of power from one corporation to another, the government has absolute power Exactly the corporations are the ones doing the lobbying. If people care enough they can vote out those politicians who allow that and end it. Corporations will always try but government officials can be elected according to the will of the people. <cite>byrone posted [p:895223929] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>Do you consider something like lobbyists and special interests influencing politicians in regards to policy making a form of corruption? If so, then its really not all that hypothetical. I personally do consider it corruption, even though it can be legally done, but the law can sometimes be corrupt and ineffective if we have a corrupt government. My personal opinion is the government has for all intents and purposes been co-opted by the influence of corporations and monopolistic forces, and thats why I trust the government even less. Corporations have various degrees of power from one corporation to another, the government has absolute power</quote> Exactly the corporations are the ones doing the lobbying. If people care enough they can vote out those politicians who allow that and end it. Corporations will always try but government officials can be elected according to the will of the people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 02/01/18 1:27:01 AM #36:	r4X0r posted... Because corporations are actually honest with their intentions. They want to create profit for their shareholders. Government is not. Yeah, but they'd also be perfectly happy to remove any semblance of safety and bring back slavery to maximize the payout. Direct democracy with several parties is the best overall choice. It has the most accountability. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:895223951] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Because corporations are actually honest with their intentions. They want to create profit for their shareholders. Government is not.</quote> Yeah, but they'd also be perfectly happy to remove any semblance of safety and bring back slavery to maximize the payout. Direct democracy with several parties is the best overall choice. It has the most accountability.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
flussence 02/01/18 1:27:58 AM #37:	corporations don't have a monopoly on violence --- u <cite>flussence posted [p:895223980] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote>corporations don't have a monopoly on violence</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 02/01/18 1:34:39 AM #38:	byrone posted... Kazi1212 posted... Do you consider something like lobbyists and special interests influencing politicians in regards to policy making a form of corruption? If so, then its really not all that hypothetical. I personally do consider it corruption, even though it can be legally done, but the law can sometimes be corrupt and ineffective if we have a corrupt government. My personal opinion is the government has for all intents and purposes been co-opted by the influence of corporations and monopolistic forces, and thats why I trust the government even less. Corporations have various degrees of power from one corporation to another, the government has absolute power Exactly the corporations are the ones doing the lobbying. If people care enough they can vote out those politicians who allow that and end it. Corporations will always try but government officials can be elected according to the will of the people. See, I think thats exactly the reason we should be more focused and critical of government than corporations hah. we cant change or end corporations and monopolies until we change the government, so theres no point in wasting our political energy on corporations because its not gonna get far without a fundamental change in the government. so it seems practical to me to be more skeptical of government until that day actually comes. Agree to disagree I guess --- I don't know my gimmick <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:895224171] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>byrone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>Do you consider something like lobbyists and special interests influencing politicians in regards to policy making a form of corruption? If so, then its really not all that hypothetical. I personally do consider it corruption, even though it can be legally done, but the law can sometimes be corrupt and ineffective if we have a corrupt government. My personal opinion is the government has for all intents and purposes been co-opted by the influence of corporations and monopolistic forces, and thats why I trust the government even less. Corporations have various degrees of power from one corporation to another, the government has absolute power</quote> Exactly the corporations are the ones doing the lobbying. If people care enough they can vote out those politicians who allow that and end it. Corporations will always try but government officials can be elected according to the will of the people.</quote> See, I think thats exactly the reason we should be more focused and critical of government than corporations hah. we cant change or end corporations and monopolies until we change the government, so theres no point in wasting our political energy on corporations because its not gonna get far without a fundamental change in the government. so it seems practical to me to be more skeptical of government until that day actually comes. Agree to disagree I guess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 02/01/18 11:56:39 AM #39:	TheCyborgNinja posted... r4X0r posted... Because corporations are actually honest with their intentions. They want to create profit for their shareholders. Government is not. Yeah, but they'd also be perfectly happy to remove any semblance of safety and bring back slavery to maximize the payout. Direct democracy with several parties is the best overall choice. It has the most accountability. This type of government is inefficient though. With no party having a majority hard decisions cannot be made quickly due to parties needing to lobby support from each other. Coalitions can also be problematic if a small fringe party holds the balance of power which can lead to them having more power than usual and them getting their unpopular policy passed. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:895245407] in Why do som... [t:76267797]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Because corporations are actually honest with their intentions. They want to create profit for their shareholders. Government is not.</quote> Yeah, but they'd also be perfectly happy to remove any semblance of safety and bring back slavery to maximize the payout. Direct democracy with several parties is the best overall choice. It has the most accountability.</quote> This type of government is inefficient though. With no party having a majority hard decisions cannot be made quickly due to parties needing to lobby support from each other. Coalitions can also be problematic if a small fringe party holds the balance of power which can lead to them having more power than usual and them getting their unpopular policy passed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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