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Doom_Art 02/01/18 10:07:56 AM #51:	Ammonitida posted... The memo must be worse than what the leaks are suggesting. Or it's transparently an attempt to undermine federal law enforcement and provide a cover for ending the investigation into the president Like we all figured out a week ago lol --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:895239563] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote> The memo must be worse than what the leaks are suggesting.</quote> Or it's transparently an attempt to undermine federal law enforcement and provide a cover for ending the investigation into the president Like we all figured out a week ago lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/01/18 10:08:32 AM #52:	Ammonitida posted... Adam Schiff is on twitter losing his Schiff. Calling it a "constitutional crisis" and that it will lead to another "Saturday Night massacre". The memo must be worse than what the leaks are suggesting. he is saying that because he is claiming that Nunes edited the memo before sending it to the WH, but after the intelligence committee voted on releasing it that should concern people imo --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:895239609] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote>Adam Schiff is on twitter losing his Schiff. Calling it a "constitutional crisis" and that it will lead to another "Saturday Night massacre". The memo must be worse than what the leaks are suggesting.</quote> he is saying that because he is claiming that Nunes edited the memo before sending it to the WH, but after the intelligence committee voted on releasing it that should concern people imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/01/18 10:10:09 AM #53:	s0nicfan posted... Given that it's a memo of documents and not the documents themselves, I'd argue it's more likely than not that it's probably easily scrubbed. From what it seems, the whole point of the memo was to summarize the results in a way that is more easily disseminated compared to the actual, likely extremely classified reports. Given how many senators have seen it, that seems the most likely intent. Definitely possible, but the ExSum of my reports are typically classified also. If the documents can be scrubbed to cause no damage to the US government, while remaining informative and not misleading, I would support their release. s0nicfan posted... That being said, CNN reported late last year that Sessons has 27 open investigations into classified leaks. So again: Dems seem perfectly cool with leaking like a faucet until the moment it might reveal that they did something bad. I'm not familiar with sessions' investigations, but if those leaks were done without discussion by individuals (possibly non-govt leadership individuals? unclear) that's not really a fair comparison, because those events were not discussed in advance of happening, they just happened (and if they happened, anyone responsible should be punished). So do know that I'm of one mind on this: leaking classified information is bad. My point about objectivity is more that I'd like to hear of review from people responsible for creating classification guidelines, not party support/opposition, as party lines support/opposition just shows "none of our elected officials care about the damage, just whether it hurts their party or not." DOD/FBI/etc review and support ought to occur prior to release. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:895239681] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Given that it's a memo of documents and not the documents themselves, I'd argue it's more likely than not that it's probably easily scrubbed. From what it seems, the whole point of the memo was to summarize the results in a way that is more easily disseminated compared to the actual, likely extremely classified reports. Given how many senators have seen it, that seems the most likely intent. </quote> Definitely possible, but the ExSum of my reports are typically classified also. If the documents can be scrubbed to cause no damage to the US government, while remaining informative and not misleading, I would support their release. <cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>That being said, CNN reported late last year that Sessons has 27 open investigations into classified leaks. So again: Dems seem perfectly cool with leaking like a faucet until the moment it might reveal that they did something bad.</quote> I'm not familiar with sessions' investigations, but if those leaks were done without discussion by individuals (possibly non-govt leadership individuals? unclear) that's not really a fair comparison, because those events were not discussed in advance of happening, they just happened (and if they happened, anyone responsible should be punished). So do know that I'm of one mind on this: leaking classified information is bad. My point about objectivity is more that I'd like to hear of review from people responsible for creating classification guidelines, not party support/opposition, as party lines support/opposition just shows "none of our elected officials care about the damage, just whether it hurts their party or not." DOD/FBI/etc review and support ought to occur prior to release.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 02/01/18 10:10:14 AM #54:	Ammonitida posted... 008Zulu posted... No one is losing their shit. Adam Schiff is on twitter losing his Schiff. Calling it a "constitutional crisis" and that it will lead to another "Saturday Night massacre". The memo must be worse than what the leaks are suggesting. His first argument not to release it was because Americans wouldn't understand it. His arguments have since devolved into a full on meltdown lol. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 1 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:895239684] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote><cite>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote>No one is losing their shit.</quote> Adam Schiff is on twitter losing his Schiff. Calling it a "constitutional crisis" and that it will lead to another "Saturday Night massacre". The memo must be worse than what the leaks are suggesting.</quote> His first argument not to release it was because Americans wouldn't understand it. His arguments have since devolved into a full on meltdown lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 10:10:27 AM #55:	Balrog0 posted... Ammonitida posted... Adam Schiff is on twitter losing his Schiff. Calling it a "constitutional crisis" and that it will lead to another "Saturday Night massacre". The memo must be worse than what the leaks are suggesting. he is saying that because he is claiming that Nunes edited the memo before sending it to the WH, but after the intelligence committee voted on releasing it that should concern people imo An unsubstantiated rumor should concern people? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895239697] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote>Adam Schiff is on twitter losing his Schiff. Calling it a "constitutional crisis" and that it will lead to another "Saturday Night massacre". The memo must be worse than what the leaks are suggesting.</quote> he is saying that because he is claiming that Nunes edited the memo before sending it to the WH, but after the intelligence committee voted on releasing it that should concern people imo</quote> An unsubstantiated rumor should concern people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 02/01/18 10:14:04 AM #56:	Balrog0 posted... Ammonitida posted... Adam Schiff is on twitter losing his Schiff. Calling it a "constitutional crisis" and that it will lead to another "Saturday Night massacre". The memo must be worse than what the leaks are suggesting. he is saying that because he is claiming that Nunes edited the memo before sending it to the WH, but after the intelligence committee voted on releasing it that should concern people imo This tweet of his came hours before the "edit tweet" and made no mention of any edits. His fear is related to the central claims in the memo that he had already read. He believes it's so bad that it will lead to Mueller's firing. <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:895239881] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote>Adam Schiff is on twitter losing his Schiff. Calling it a "constitutional crisis" and that it will lead to another "Saturday Night massacre". The memo must be worse than what the leaks are suggesting.</quote> he is saying that because he is claiming that Nunes edited the memo before sending it to the WH, but after the intelligence committee voted on releasing it that should concern people imo</quote> This tweet of his came hours before the "edit tweet" and made no mention of any edits. His fear is related to the central claims in the memo that he had already read. He believes it's so bad that it will lead to Mueller's firing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/01/18 10:14:44 AM #57:	darkjedilink posted... An unsubstantiated rumor should concern people? It isn't unsubstantiated, Nunes admitted to it through a spokesperson. The question is whether or not the changes were material enough to justify another vote, which I can't know because it isn't released so yes --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:895239919] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>An unsubstantiated rumor should concern people?</quote> It isn't unsubstantiated, Nunes admitted to it through a spokesperson. The question is whether or not the changes were material enough to justify another vote, which I can't know because it isn't released so yes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 02/01/18 10:15:43 AM #58:	The decision by Nunes to employ an obscure rule to release classified information for partisan political purposes crossed a dangerous line, and increases the risk of a constitutional crisis and another Saturday Night Massacre. <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:895239975] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><quote>The decision by Nunes to employ an obscure rule to release classified information for partisan political purposes crossed a dangerous line, and increases the risk of a constitutional crisis and another Saturday Night Massacre. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 10:18:19 AM #59:	Balrog0 posted... darkjedilink posted... An unsubstantiated rumor should concern people? It isn't unsubstantiated, Nunes admitted to it through a spokesperson. The question is whether or not the changes were material enough to justify another vote, which I can't know because it isn't released so yes But his claim IS that the changes are substantial, thereby making the claim unsubstantiated. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895240078] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>An unsubstantiated rumor should concern people?</quote> It isn't unsubstantiated, Nunes admitted to it through a spokesperson. The question is whether or not the changes were material enough to justify another vote, which I can't know because it isn't released so yes</quote> But his claim IS that the changes are substantial, thereby making the claim unsubstantiated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/01/18 10:20:21 AM #60:	Anyone supporting the release of a partisan memo and expecting it to be "THE COMPLETE TRUTH!" is an utter fool. Nunes has revealed himself repeatedly to be a complete partisan hack that's acting as an agent for the WH and anyone who actually cared about the truth and transparency should be pushing for the entire transcript to be dropped, not cherry picked bullet points that are specifically designed in a way to shape a narrative and message. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:895240173] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote>Anyone supporting the release of a partisan memo and expecting it to be "THE COMPLETE TRUTH!" is an utter fool. Nunes has revealed himself repeatedly to be a complete partisan hack that's acting as an agent for the WH and anyone who actually cared about the truth and transparency should be pushing for the entire transcript to be dropped, not cherry picked bullet points that are specifically designed in a way to shape a narrative and message.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 10:22:51 AM #61:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Anyone supporting the release of a partisan memo and expecting it to be "THE COMPLETE TRUTH!" is an utter fool. Nunes has revealed himself repeatedly to be a complete partisan hack that's acting as an agent for the WH and anyone who actually cared about the truth and transparency should be pushing for the entire transcript to be dropped, not cherry picked bullet points that are specifically designed in a way to shape a narrative and message. I bet you supported the Fusion GPS testimony being released, though... --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895240292] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone supporting the release of a partisan memo and expecting it to be "THE COMPLETE TRUTH!" is an utter fool. Nunes has revealed himself repeatedly to be a complete partisan hack that's acting as an agent for the WH and anyone who actually cared about the truth and transparency should be pushing for the entire transcript to be dropped, not cherry picked bullet points that are specifically designed in a way to shape a narrative and message.</quote> I bet you supported the Fusion GPS testimony being released, though...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/01/18 10:25:35 AM #62:	darkjedilink posted... bet you supported the Fusion GPS testimony being released, though... Yes, almost as if a full testimony unfiltered is more trustworthy than a collection of things Nunes thinks is important that are shaped in a way to control the narrative. Surely you don't think an actual testimony and partisan memo are the exact same thing, right? --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:895240424] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> bet you supported the Fusion GPS testimony being released, though...</quote> Yes, almost as if a full testimony unfiltered is more trustworthy than a collection of things Nunes thinks is important that are shaped in a way to control the narrative. Surely you don't think an actual testimony and partisan memo are the exact same thing, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 02/01/18 10:26:17 AM #63:	Darkman124 posted... My point about objectivity is more that I'd like to hear of review from people responsible for creating classification guidelines, not party support/opposition, as party lines support/opposition just shows "none of our elected officials care about the damage, just whether it hurts their party or not." DOD/FBI/etc review and support ought to occur prior to release. I agree --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:895240459] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>My point about objectivity is more that I'd like to hear of review from people responsible for creating classification guidelines, not party support/opposition, as party lines support/opposition just shows "none of our elected officials care about the damage, just whether it hurts their party or not." DOD/FBI/etc review and support ought to occur prior to release.</quote> I agree</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 02/01/18 10:27:16 AM #64:	I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:895240505] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote>I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 02/01/18 10:28:33 AM #65:	creativerealms posted... I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private. Trolling? <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:895240561] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private.</quote> Trolling?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 02/01/18 10:29:32 AM #66:	https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-unaccountable-fbi-1517443236 Note the FBIs language about material omissions rather than errors of fact. Until this statement the FBI was pleading damage to national security. Now that rationale has given way to the claim that the House is omitting key details to reach judgments that the FBI apparently disagrees with. If Mr. Wray wants to fill in those omissions, he can always ask President Trump to declassify more documents to provide a more complete record. Wed love to see them, and Mr. Trump should give that transparency a boost even if Mr. Wray doesnt request it. The FBIs public statement appears to be an act of insubordination after Mr. Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein tried and failed to get the White House to block the memos release. Their public protest appears intended to tarnish in advance whatever information the memo contains. The public is getting to see amid this brawl how the FBI plays politics, and it isnt a good look. <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:895240607] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote>https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-unaccountable-fbi-1517443236 <quote>Note the FBIs language about material omissions rather than errors of fact. Until this statement the FBI was pleading damage to national security. Now that rationale has given way to the claim that the House is omitting key details to reach judgments that the FBI apparently disagrees with. If Mr. Wray wants to fill in those omissions, he can always ask President Trump to declassify more documents to provide a more complete record. Wed love to see them, and Mr. Trump should give that transparency a boost even if Mr. Wray doesnt request it. The FBIs public statement appears to be an act of insubordination after Mr. Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein tried and failed to get the White House to block the memos release. Their public protest appears intended to tarnish in advance whatever information the memo contains. The public is getting to see amid this brawl how the FBI plays politics, and it isnt a good look.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 02/01/18 10:30:43 AM #67:	creativerealms posted... I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private. Trump cultists have a very loose definition of what constitutes "losing it" --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:895240661] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private.</quote> Trump cultists have a very loose definition of what constitutes "losing it"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/01/18 10:31:34 AM #68:	WSJ op-eds don't change the reality of this being a cherry picked partisan memo. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:895240703] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote>WSJ op-eds don't change the reality of this being a cherry picked partisan memo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 10:34:12 AM #69:	The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... bet you supported the Fusion GPS testimony being released, though... Yes, almost as if a full testimony unfiltered is more trustworthy than a collection of things Nunes thinks is important that are shaped in a way to control the narrative. Surely you don't think an actual testimony and partisan memo are the exact same thing, right? Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence... --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895240809] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> bet you supported the Fusion GPS testimony being released, though...</quote> Yes, almost as if a full testimony unfiltered is more trustworthy than a collection of things Nunes thinks is important that are shaped in a way to control the narrative. Surely you don't think an actual testimony and partisan memo are the exact same thing, right?</quote> Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 02/01/18 10:34:25 AM #70:	The Great Muta 22 posted... WSJ op-eds don't change the reality of this being a cherry picked partisan memo. It's by the editorial board. <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:895240820] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>WSJ op-eds don't change the reality of this being a cherry picked partisan memo.</quote> It's by the editorial board.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook20 02/01/18 10:34:27 AM #71:	As always, if politicians are freaking out about something, it's probably bad news for them. --- http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/098/7/4/tom_nook_by_themerce-d3dhi0q.png http://www.gameswagonline.com/uploads/9/0/8/9/9089979/1372277527.jpg <cite>TomNook20 posted [p:895240821] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote>As always, if politicians are freaking out about something, it's probably bad news for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 02/01/18 10:34:34 AM #72:	Doom_Art posted... creativerealms posted... I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private. Trump cultists have a very loose definition of what constitutes "losing it" I'd classify calling your constituents and the country as whole too stupid to understand the memo as losing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P34zKSW1l68 --- Oda break tracker 2018- 1 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:895240822] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private.</quote> Trump cultists have a very loose definition of what constitutes "losing it"</quote> I'd classify calling your constituents and the country as whole too stupid to understand the memo as losing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P34zKSW1l68</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/01/18 10:34:55 AM #73:	i was talking to a very far right-wing co-worker about Trump and this investigation yesterday (yeah, i shouldn't do that, i know) and he basically said "The FBI, DoJ and anyone else who works for the government can't be trusted to investigate Trump because they're career government workers who hate Trump because he's against the government" and my head almost exploded --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:895240843] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote>i was talking to a very far right-wing co-worker about Trump and this investigation yesterday (yeah, i shouldn't do that, i know) and he basically said "The FBI, DoJ and anyone else who works for the government can't be trusted to investigate Trump because they're career government workers who hate Trump because he's against the government" and my head almost exploded</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 02/01/18 10:37:33 AM #74:	voldothegr8 posted... Doom_Art posted... creativerealms posted... I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private. Trump cultists have a very loose definition of what constitutes "losing it" I'd classify calling your constituents and the country as whole too stupid to understand the memo as losing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P34zKSW1l68 The man just penned a WashPost op'ed calling the release a potential "constitutional crisis" that might lead to another "Saturday night massacre". <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:895240963] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private.</quote> Trump cultists have a very loose definition of what constitutes "losing it"</quote> I'd classify calling your constituents and the country as whole too stupid to understand the memo as losing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P34zKSW1l68</quote> The man just penned a WashPost op'ed calling the release a potential "constitutional crisis" that might lead to another "Saturday night massacre".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 10:39:49 AM #75:	voldothegr8 posted... Doom_Art posted... creativerealms posted... I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private. Trump cultists have a very loose definition of what constitutes "losing it" I'd classify calling your constituents and the country as whole too stupid to understand the memo as losing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P34zKSW1l68 Either he HAS read the intel behind the memo and chose not to call it false because it isn't, or he has NOT read the intel, and is just as bad as the Republicans he rails against. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895241071] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private.</quote> Trump cultists have a very loose definition of what constitutes "losing it"</quote> I'd classify calling your constituents and the country as whole too stupid to understand the memo as losing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P34zKSW1l68</quote> Either he HAS read the intel behind the memo and chose not to call it false because it isn't, or he has NOT read the intel, and is just as bad as the Republicans he rails against.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 02/01/18 10:41:43 AM #76:	Doom_Art posted... Also, fun bit of info, the FBI, DoJ, CIA, and NSA all got ahold of copies of the memo and will be correcting it prior to release. lmao, I'm sure they will "correct" it all right --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:895241141] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Also, fun bit of info, the FBI, DoJ, CIA, and NSA all got ahold of copies of the memo and will be correcting it prior to release. </quote> lmao, I'm sure they will "correct" it all right </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/01/18 10:42:59 AM #77:	Giant_Aspirin posted... i was talking to a very far right-wing co-worker about Trump and this investigation yesterday (yeah, i shouldn't do that, i know) and he basically said "The FBI, DoJ and anyone else who works for the government can't be trusted to investigate Trump because they're career government workers who hate Trump because he's against the government" and my head almost exploded It's really pathetic. Basically they've convinced themselves that everything against Trump ever is biased and against him from the start and can't be trusted, but meanwhile anything or anyone who supports him is completely right and honest. It doesn't matter who the people are, what positives they've done in the past, what political party they are from, etc. Simply for the fact that they are invesitgating Trump for the potential chance of wrong doing conducted by those around him means they are biased and corrupt. It's more and more evident each day these people don't actually care about the rule of law, they simply want to worship their wannabe autocrat. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:895241193] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>i was talking to a very far right-wing co-worker about Trump and this investigation yesterday (yeah, i shouldn't do that, i know) and he basically said "The FBI, DoJ and anyone else who works for the government can't be trusted to investigate Trump because they're career government workers who hate Trump because he's against the government" and my head almost exploded</quote> It's really pathetic. Basically they've convinced themselves that everything against Trump ever is biased and against him from the start and can't be trusted, but meanwhile anything or anyone who supports him is completely right and honest. It doesn't matter who the people are, what positives they've done in the past, what political party they are from, etc. Simply for the fact that they are invesitgating Trump for the potential chance of wrong doing conducted by those around him means they are biased and corrupt. It's more and more evident each day these people don't actually care about the rule of law, they simply want to worship their wannabe autocrat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 02/01/18 10:44:35 AM #78:	darkjedilink posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Anyone supporting the release of a partisan memo and expecting it to be "THE COMPLETE TRUTH!" is an utter fool. Nunes has revealed himself repeatedly to be a complete partisan hack that's acting as an agent for the WH and anyone who actually cared about the truth and transparency should be pushing for the entire transcript to be dropped, not cherry picked bullet points that are specifically designed in a way to shape a narrative and message. I bet you supported the Fusion GPS testimony being released, though... And I bet they'll accept the Dem memo written by the intellectually dishonest Adam Schiff as the gospel truth, the first page of which has just been leaked. https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2018/01/Schiff-memo.jpeg <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:895241290] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone supporting the release of a partisan memo and expecting it to be "THE COMPLETE TRUTH!" is an utter fool. Nunes has revealed himself repeatedly to be a complete partisan hack that's acting as an agent for the WH and anyone who actually cared about the truth and transparency should be pushing for the entire transcript to be dropped, not cherry picked bullet points that are specifically designed in a way to shape a narrative and message.</quote> I bet you supported the Fusion GPS testimony being released, though...</quote> And I bet they'll accept the Dem memo written by the intellectually dishonest Adam Schiff as the gospel truth, the first page of which has just been leaked. https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2018/01/Schiff-memo.jpeg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/01/18 10:45:53 AM #79:	darkjedilink posted... Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence... And by "actual government intelligence" you mean partisan house members who have gone out of their way to hide this and obstruct everyone from this outside of their inner circle. A memo that is crafted by a man who openly has shown his willingness to work for and defend the President at all costs. Yes, I'd absolutely love to see the unfiltered testimony over a filtered memo of what Nunes feels is important based on said testimony. Anyone who actually gives a shit about honesty and transparency would agree --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:895241346] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence... </quote> And by "actual government intelligence" you mean partisan house members who have gone out of their way to hide this and obstruct everyone from this outside of their inner circle. A memo that is crafted by a man who openly has shown his willingness to work for and defend the President at all costs. Yes, I'd absolutely love to see the unfiltered testimony over a filtered memo of what Nunes feels is important based on said testimony. Anyone who actually gives a shit about honesty and transparency would agree</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GFaceKillah1280 02/01/18 10:45:59 AM #80:	voldothegr8 posted... Doom_Art posted... creativerealms posted... I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private. Trump cultists have a very loose definition of what constitutes "losing it" I'd classify calling your constituents and the country as whole too stupid to understand the memo as losing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P34zKSW1l68 Not having access to the underlying materials != being too stupid to understand. Although, as you've shown, the two are not mutually exclusive. --- Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office than to serve and obey them. -Hume <cite>GFaceKillah1280 posted [p:895241350] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>I keep hearing they are losing their shit over it but I have yet to see it. They must be doing it in private.</quote> Trump cultists have a very loose definition of what constitutes "losing it"</quote> I'd classify calling your constituents and the country as whole too stupid to understand the memo as losing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P34zKSW1l68</quote> Not having access to the underlying materials != being too stupid to understand. Although, as you've shown, the two are not mutually exclusive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/01/18 10:47:16 AM #81:	Ammonitida posted... And I bet they'll accept the Dem memo written by the intellectually dishonest Adam Schiff as the gospel truth, the first page of which has just been leaked. What the fuck? I already said I wanted the raw transcript that these are based on, not partisan spins from either side. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:895241409] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote>And I bet they'll accept the Dem memo written by the intellectually dishonest Adam Schiff as the gospel truth, the first page of which has just been leaked. </quote> What the fuck? I already said I wanted the raw transcript that these are based on, not partisan spins from either side.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 10:48:26 AM #82:	The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence... And by "actual government intelligence" you mean partisan house members who have gone out of their way to hide this and obstruct everyone from this outside of their inner circle. A memo that is crafted by a man who openly has shown his willingness to work for and defend the President at all costs. Yes, I'd absolutely love to see the unfiltered testimony over a filtered memo of what Nunes feels is important based on said testimony. Anyone who actually gives a shit about honesty and transparency would agree Lol. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895241467] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence... </quote> And by "actual government intelligence" you mean partisan house members who have gone out of their way to hide this and obstruct everyone from this outside of their inner circle. A memo that is crafted by a man who openly has shown his willingness to work for and defend the President at all costs. Yes, I'd absolutely love to see the unfiltered testimony over a filtered memo of what Nunes feels is important based on said testimony. Anyone who actually gives a shit about honesty and transparency would agree</quote> Lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 02/01/18 10:49:46 AM #83:	darkjedilink posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence... And by "actual government intelligence" you mean partisan house members who have gone out of their way to hide this and obstruct everyone from this outside of their inner circle. A memo that is crafted by a man who openly has shown his willingness to work for and defend the President at all costs. Yes, I'd absolutely love to see the unfiltered testimony over a filtered memo of what Nunes feels is important based on said testimony. Anyone who actually gives a shit about honesty and transparency would agree Lol. Nice retort --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:895241529] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence... </quote> And by "actual government intelligence" you mean partisan house members who have gone out of their way to hide this and obstruct everyone from this outside of their inner circle. A memo that is crafted by a man who openly has shown his willingness to work for and defend the President at all costs. Yes, I'd absolutely love to see the unfiltered testimony over a filtered memo of what Nunes feels is important based on said testimony. Anyone who actually gives a shit about honesty and transparency would agree</quote> Lol.</quote> Nice retort</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 02/01/18 10:54:33 AM #84:	I haven't looked into the fisa stuff. Where should I start? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 Beta 2 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:895241770] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote>I haven't looked into the fisa stuff. Where should I start?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 02/01/18 10:58:44 AM #85:	I'll see about dredging up a source but I'm hearing the memo is about the FISA warrant looking at Page And in renewing the warrant, intelligence that was already corroborated by several other agencies was used before the court I don't get it, was this not public knowledge already --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:895241996] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote>I'll see about dredging up a source but I'm hearing the memo is about the FISA warrant looking at Page And in renewing the warrant, intelligence that was already corroborated by several other agencies was used before the court I don't get it, was this not public knowledge already</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trigg3rH4ppy 02/01/18 11:01:48 AM #86:	Coffeebeanz posted... s0nicfan posted... UnholyMudcrab posted... Spooking posted... Coffeebeanz posted... Ok yeah that sounds like someone caught red handed FBI is trying to discredit the memo before its release. Shady. It's almost like releasing classified information intended specifically to mislead is a bad idea. Maybe they think the "C" is just there to alphabetize the memo. The old Hillary Clinton "how dumb do you think we are" defense B-b-but Hillary. Reeeeeeeee! --- ~A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men ~ TWSSted since~ 3/27/12 https://i.imgur.com/zlaENmx.png <cite>Trigg3rH4ppy posted [p:895242164] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Spooking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote> Ok yeah that sounds like someone caught red handed</quote> FBI is trying to discredit the memo before its release. Shady.</quote> It's almost like releasing classified information intended specifically to mislead is a bad idea.</quote> Maybe they think the "C" is just there to alphabetize the memo.</quote> The old Hillary Clinton "how dumb do you think we are" defense</quote> B-b-but Hillary. Reeeeeeeee!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/01/18 11:02:15 AM #87:	Darkman124 posted... Howl posted... you assume all classified info has compelling reason to be classified. It does. You are speaking confidently with zero knowledge of a subject that is my job. I retrain annually in order to maintain my capability to properly handle classified information. Classified info is not classified because someone decided to mark it that way to cover his ass. It's done according to program guidelines that were written by someone very far separated from the individuals actually doing the work, whose job was simply to identify what has potential to cause damage to the US government if released prior to the declassification date. When I create a classified document--as I do on a daily basis--I do it with a binder next to me that identifies all the subjects and numbers that are individually classified and require the whole thing be marked as a classified document. Then I submit that document to a PM who reviews it, checks all my markings a second time, and confirms it is accurately marked before disseminating it. If this document is marked classified, it contains classified information. That information is not classified to cover the FBI's ass for recent activities. It's classified because someone who was involved in creating the program generated a document specification that identified specific names, locations, numbers, and other terminology as classified. In generating his memo, Nunes had to refer to that document, and portion-mark each paragraph that contained such information as classified. Some such portions may be inadvertently both documenting supposed misdeeds and including specified classified information; it may be impossible to document the alleged actions without including that information. But it's not classified because the FBI doesn't want people to know that Agent Bob Jones fucked Melania in the process of learning that Donald was getting pegged during the making of the peepee tape. It's classified because the FBI doesn't want people to know Agent Bob Jones' name, operating location, etc. Classified information is classified because its release harms active programs. I actually do have a lot of knowledge of this subject. I used to be a manager at a store on a military base, and because of that I had to handle classified information daily because the store had to be compliant with DOJ regulations. There is literally tons (like tons pertaining to actual weight)of papers that are classified for reasons that are in no way realted to national security. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:895242182] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> you assume all classified info has compelling reason to be classified. </quote> It does. You are speaking confidently with zero knowledge of a subject that is my job. I retrain annually in order to maintain my capability to properly handle classified information. Classified info is not classified because someone decided to mark it that way to cover his ass. It's done according to program guidelines that were written by someone very far separated from the individuals actually doing the work, whose job was simply to identify what has potential to cause damage to the US government if released prior to the declassification date. When I create a classified document--as I do on a daily basis--I do it with a binder next to me that identifies all the subjects and numbers that are individually classified and require the whole thing be marked as a classified document. Then I submit that document to a PM who reviews it, checks all my markings a second time, and confirms it is accurately marked before disseminating it. If this document is marked classified, it contains classified information. That information is not classified to cover the FBI's ass for recent activities. It's classified because someone who was involved in creating the program generated a document specification that identified specific names, locations, numbers, and other terminology as classified. In generating his memo, Nunes had to refer to that document, and portion-mark each paragraph that contained such information as classified. Some such portions may be inadvertently both documenting supposed misdeeds and including specified classified information; it may be impossible to document the alleged actions without including that information. But it's not classified because the FBI doesn't want people to know that Agent Bob Jones fucked Melania in the process of learning that Donald was getting pegged during the making of the peepee tape. It's classified because the FBI doesn't want people to know Agent Bob Jones' name, operating location, etc. Classified information is classified because its release harms active programs.</quote> I actually do have a lot of knowledge of this subject. I used to be a manager at a store on a military base, and because of that I had to handle classified information daily because the store had to be compliant with DOJ regulations. There is literally tons (like tons pertaining to actual weight)of papers that are classified for reasons that are in no way realted to national security.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 02/01/18 11:06:00 AM #88:	The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence... And by "actual government intelligence" you mean partisan house members who have gone out of their way to hide this and obstruct everyone from this outside of their inner circle. A memo that is crafted by a man who openly has shown his willingness to work for and defend the President at all costs. Yes, I'd absolutely love to see the unfiltered testimony over a filtered memo of what Nunes feels is important based on said testimony. Anyone who actually gives a shit about honesty and transparency would agree Lol. Nice retort Why would I respond with any amount of respect to someone who thinks that testimony from a proven liar is more trustworthy than actual verifiable facts? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:895242378] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence... </quote> And by "actual government intelligence" you mean partisan house members who have gone out of their way to hide this and obstruct everyone from this outside of their inner circle. A memo that is crafted by a man who openly has shown his willingness to work for and defend the President at all costs. Yes, I'd absolutely love to see the unfiltered testimony over a filtered memo of what Nunes feels is important based on said testimony. Anyone who actually gives a shit about honesty and transparency would agree</quote> Lol.</quote> Nice retort</quote> Why would I respond with any amount of respect to someone who thinks that testimony from a proven liar is more trustworthy than actual verifiable facts?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/01/18 11:07:22 AM #89:	Howl posted... I used to be a manager at a store on a military base, and because of that I had to handle classified information daily because the store had to be compliant with DOJ regulations. You're lying. No one is made a courier/handler of classified information without need-to-know. Howl posted... There is literally tons (like tons pertaining to actual weight)of papers that are classified for reasons that are in no way realted to national security. That is fundamentally untrue. If something is marked classified but does not pose harm to the government if declassified early, the person who designated it in the document specifications did so in error. Such errors are generally identified over the course of a program and corrected. Which makes sense, because you're making this shit up. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:895242445] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>I used to be a manager at a store on a military base, and because of that I had to handle classified information daily because the store had to be compliant with DOJ regulations. </quote> You're lying. No one is made a courier/handler of classified information without need-to-know. <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>There is literally tons (like tons pertaining to actual weight)of papers that are classified for reasons that are in no way realted to national security. </quote> That is fundamentally untrue. If something is marked classified but does not pose harm to the government if declassified early, the person who designated it in the document specifications did so in error. Such errors are generally identified over the course of a program and corrected. Which makes sense, because you're making this shit up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 02/01/18 11:47:44 AM #90:	Has anyone besides Darkman or me in this topic ever had to actually classify things? There's just as many guidelines and experienced people advising you not to overclassify things as there are trying to stop you from underclassifying things. It's not as if people just throw TS on something and say "I can't be bothered to actually figure out what this should be". --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:895244879] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote>Has anyone besides Darkman or me in this topic ever had to actually classify things? There's just as many guidelines and experienced people advising you not to overclassify things as there are trying to stop you from underclassifying things. It's not as if people just throw TS on something and say "I can't be bothered to actually figure out what this should be".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 02/01/18 11:55:46 AM #91:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Anyone supporting the release of a partisan memo and expecting it to be "THE COMPLETE TRUTH!" is an utter fool. Nunes has revealed himself repeatedly to be a complete partisan hack that's acting as an agent for the WH and anyone who actually cared about the truth and transparency should be pushing for the entire transcript to be dropped, not cherry picked bullet points that are specifically designed in a way to shape a narrative and message. The memo wasnt created for the public records. It was created for personal records and business inside. Theres no reason to spin this for political gain, it was never created for public consumption. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:895245345] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone supporting the release of a partisan memo and expecting it to be "THE COMPLETE TRUTH!" is an utter fool. Nunes has revealed himself repeatedly to be a complete partisan hack that's acting as an agent for the WH and anyone who actually cared about the truth and transparency should be pushing for the entire transcript to be dropped, not cherry picked bullet points that are specifically designed in a way to shape a narrative and message.</quote> The memo wasnt created for the public records. It was created for personal records and business inside. Theres no reason to spin this for political gain, it was never created for public consumption.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 02/01/18 12:06:24 PM #92:	From a politician who has reviewed both the memo and the source documents. "The memo will embarrass several top FBI officials but don't use this memo to attack the agency as a whole" https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/959102606034522114 <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:895245992] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote>From a politician who has reviewed both the memo and the source documents. "The memo will embarrass several top FBI officials but don't use this memo to attack the agency as a whole" https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/959102606034522114</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 02/01/18 12:08:05 PM #93:	darkjedilink posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence... And by "actual government intelligence" you mean partisan house members who have gone out of their way to hide this and obstruct everyone from this outside of their inner circle. A memo that is crafted by a man who openly has shown his willingness to work for and defend the President at all costs. Yes, I'd absolutely love to see the unfiltered testimony over a filtered memo of what Nunes feels is important based on said testimony. Anyone who actually gives a shit about honesty and transparency would agree Lol. Nice retort Why would I respond with any amount of respect to someone who thinks that testimony from a proven liar is more trustworthy than actual verifiable facts? Testimony from whom? Glenn Simpson who tried to push a Jewish conspiracy involving Trump and Kushner, part of which made its way into the Steele dossier that Muta has put his faith into? <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:895246104] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Unfiltered testimony from a proven untruthful source is more trustworthy than actual government intelligence... </quote> And by "actual government intelligence" you mean partisan house members who have gone out of their way to hide this and obstruct everyone from this outside of their inner circle. A memo that is crafted by a man who openly has shown his willingness to work for and defend the President at all costs. Yes, I'd absolutely love to see the unfiltered testimony over a filtered memo of what Nunes feels is important based on said testimony. Anyone who actually gives a shit about honesty and transparency would agree</quote> Lol.</quote> Nice retort</quote> Why would I respond with any amount of respect to someone who thinks that testimony from a proven liar is more trustworthy than actual verifiable facts?</quote> Testimony from whom? Glenn Simpson who tried to push a Jewish conspiracy involving Trump and Kushner, part of which made its way into the Steele dossier that Muta has put his faith into?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/01/18 12:18:20 PM #94:	Anteaterking posted... Has anyone besides Darkman or me in this topic ever had to actually classify things? There's just as many guidelines and experienced people advising you not to overclassify things as there are trying to stop you from underclassifying things. It's not as if people just throw TS on something and say "I can't be bothered to actually figure out what this should be". heh, throwing TS on something without a thorough effort to determine if it can be done at SECRET level is a good way to get fired the process of even accessing a TS document is such a pain in the ass that we try really hard to never have to do work on that level still happens sometimes and i hate it. i can't even destroy TS documents in the secret-level shredder --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:895246728] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>Has anyone besides Darkman or me in this topic ever had to actually classify things? There's just as many guidelines and experienced people advising you not to overclassify things as there are trying to stop you from underclassifying things. It's not as if people just throw TS on something and say "I can't be bothered to actually figure out what this should be". </quote> heh, throwing TS on something without a thorough effort to determine if it can be done at SECRET level is a good way to get fired the process of even accessing a TS document is such a pain in the ass that we try really hard to never have to do work on that level still happens sometimes and i hate it. i can't even destroy TS documents in the secret-level shredder</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 02/01/18 12:23:47 PM #95:	Darkman124 posted... Howl posted... I used to be a manager at a store on a military base, and because of that I had to handle classified information daily because the store had to be compliant with DOJ regulations. You're lying. No one is made a courier/handler of classified information without need-to-know. Howl posted... There is literally tons (like tons pertaining to actual weight)of papers that are classified for reasons that are in no way realted to national security. That is fundamentally untrue. If something is marked classified but does not pose harm to the government if declassified early, the person who designated it in the document specifications did so in error. Such errors are generally identified over the course of a program and corrected. Which makes sense, because you're making this shit up. I did have need to know. Military members apply for credit cards at the store I worked at. Everytime they did this their applications had to be classified. We had to store them in the safe at the store, and once a week the regional manager came to pick them up. We had to sign release forms for this every week. This is not the only type of information that can get classified either. Everything pertaining to military bases gets classified. The blueprints from buildings that have been since demolished are still sitting somewhere in safes because their classification date is not up yet. These documents have zero national security implications today, but they still exist. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:895247079] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> I used to be a manager at a store on a military base, and because of that I had to handle classified information daily because the store had to be compliant with DOJ regulations. </quote> You're lying. No one is made a courier/handler of classified information without need-to-know. <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> There is literally tons (like tons pertaining to actual weight)of papers that are classified for reasons that are in no way realted to national security. </quote> That is fundamentally untrue. If something is marked classified but does not pose harm to the government if declassified early, the person who designated it in the document specifications did so in error. Such errors are generally identified over the course of a program and corrected. Which makes sense, because you're making this shit up.</quote> I did have need to know. Military members apply for credit cards at the store I worked at. Everytime they did this their applications had to be classified. We had to store them in the safe at the store, and once a week the regional manager came to pick them up. We had to sign release forms for this every week. This is not the only type of information that can get classified either. Everything pertaining to military bases gets classified. The blueprints from buildings that have been since demolished are still sitting somewhere in safes because their classification date is not up yet. These documents have zero national security implications today, but they still exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 02/01/18 12:24:16 PM #96:	Ammonitida posted... From a politician who has reviewed both the memo and the source documents. "The memo will embarrass several top FBI officials but don't use this memo to attack the agency as a whole" https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/959102606034522114 Literally Fox News Who gives a shit? --- http://i.imgur.com/Scl5rwX.gif http://i.imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq.gif http://i.imgur.com/NidhAni.gif http://i.imgur.com/IGIbQPk.gif <cite>Samurontai posted [p:895247101] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote>From a politician who has reviewed both the memo and the source documents. "The memo will embarrass several top FBI officials but don't use this memo to attack the agency as a whole" https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/959102606034522114</quote> Literally Fox News Who gives a shit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UrCa1988 02/01/18 12:24:27 PM #97:	Ammonitida posted... From a politician who has reviewed both the memo and the source documents. "The memo will embarrass several top FBI officials but don't use this memo to attack the agency as a whole" https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/959102606034522114 https://twitter.com/jmclaughlinSAIS/status/958212056892755969 FISA warrants typically are big thick documents, 50-60 pages. If the Nunes memo about one is just 4 pages, you can bet its a carefully picked bowl of cherries. Made all the more dishonest by holding back the minority rebuttal memo. A real debate needs both. Someone fears that. --- "Sometimes, all the stupidity in the world is boiled down to one single product that you can buy at Home Depot." <cite>UrCa1988 posted [p:895247114] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote>From a politician who has reviewed both the memo and the source documents. "The memo will embarrass several top FBI officials but don't use this memo to attack the agency as a whole" https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/959102606034522114</quote> https://twitter.com/jmclaughlinSAIS/status/958212056892755969 <quote>FISA warrants typically are big thick documents, 50-60 pages. If the Nunes memo about one is just 4 pages, you can bet its a carefully picked bowl of cherries. Made all the more dishonest by holding back the minority rebuttal memo. A real debate needs both. Someone fears that.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 02/01/18 12:28:14 PM #98:	UrCa1988 posted... Ammonitida posted... From a politician who has reviewed both the memo and the source documents. "The memo will embarrass several top FBI officials but don't use this memo to attack the agency as a whole" https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/959102606034522114 https://twitter.com/jmclaughlinSAIS/status/958212056892755969 FISA warrants typically are big thick documents, 50-60 pages. If the Nunes memo about one is just 4 pages, you can bet its a carefully picked bowl of cherries. Made all the more dishonest by holding back the minority rebuttal memo. A real debate needs both. Someone fears that. We can make no such bets. He hasn't even read it, just like 99% of the Democrats who are asserting without evidence that this memo is "bogus". <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:895247346] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>UrCa1988 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote>From a politician who has reviewed both the memo and the source documents. "The memo will embarrass several top FBI officials but don't use this memo to attack the agency as a whole" https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/959102606034522114</quote> https://twitter.com/jmclaughlinSAIS/status/958212056892755969 <quote>FISA warrants typically are big thick documents, 50-60 pages. If the Nunes memo about one is just 4 pages, you can bet its a carefully picked bowl of cherries. Made all the more dishonest by holding back the minority rebuttal memo. A real debate needs both. Someone fears that.</quote></quote> We can make no such bets. He hasn't even read it, just like 99% of the Democrats who are asserting without evidence that this memo is "bogus".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 02/01/18 12:29:06 PM #99:	Howl posted... Military members apply for credit cards at the store I worked at. Everytime they did this their applications had to be classified. "No FOIA" isn't the same as classifying something C, S, or TS. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:895247400] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>Military members apply for credit cards at the store I worked at. Everytime they did this their applications had to be classified.</quote> "No FOIA" isn't the same as classifying something C, S, or TS.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 02/01/18 12:29:25 PM #100:	Samurontai posted... Ammonitida posted... From a politician who has reviewed both the memo and the source documents. "The memo will embarrass several top FBI officials but don't use this memo to attack the agency as a whole" https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/959102606034522114 Literally Fox News Who gives a shit? Adam Schiff, that's who. <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:895247414] in What is th... [t:76264103]...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote>From a politician who has reviewed both the memo and the source documents. "The memo will embarrass several top FBI officials but don't use this memo to attack the agency as a whole" https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/959102606034522114</quote> Literally Fox News Who gives a shit?</quote> Adam Schiff, that's who.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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