Current Events > BP actor claims that Africa would look like Wakanda if it wasn't for white peopl

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scar the 1 posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

It's intellectually dishonest to pretend that if roles were reversed that Africa as a whole wouldn't have done the same to Europeans.

Who pretends that?

The "Evil White People are the reason for everything bad in the world" crowd. They exist and they often show themselves in conversations such as this.
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AverageCEgal posted...

why are you defending a fake quote
it was made by some radical progressive on twitter under the guise the actor said it

Because the actual point that they're making is true.
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Vyrulisse posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

It's intellectually dishonest to pretend that if roles were reversed that Africa as a whole wouldn't have done the same to Europeans.

Who pretends that?

The "Evil White People are the reason for everything bad in the world" crowd. They exist and they often show themselves in conversations such as this.

I've never seen anyone speculate such. Can you give a specific example of any such boogeyman?
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Vyrulisse posted...

The "Evil White People are the reason for everything bad in the world" crowd.

Again, we won't know for sure unless we go back in time, and make black people rule the world. But until we build that time machine, we have to own up to the fact that Western imperialism is one of the main reasons for much of what ails the world right now. That part in history can't be denied.
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well now this is funnier than i thought
your actually trying to tell the world that not only is a fake quote actually said but that africa would be like wakanda but not really

and then the quote is saying its all the fault of white people

so that smy other question
what did he mean by that cause you said you're defending it and he's got ap oint but you're saying it's not about white people there

so like are you just not reading what you type or did you get some of this magical advanced vibranium like wakanda and its making you see things i can't see

AverageCEgal posted...

your actually trying to tell the world that not only is a fake quote actually said but that africa would be like wakanda but not really

NO, because Wakanda is a fucking exaggeration. Holy fucking shit, stop trolling.
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@scar_the_1

i think this topic is worth some honest discussion

as a result of their vulnerability to local diseases (that the indigenous population was resistant to) white colonialists could only trade on the shores of africa for ~350 years (1500-1850)

the issue wasn't that they invaded africa and took everything, it was the nature of that trade. the demand for slaves to work plantations created in the conquered and colonialized sugar islands of the Caribbean was so high (because the fatality rate of those slaves was 90% in five years) that the trade relationship became one that was viciously detrimental to african society

generally speaking the europeans were buying from government-affiliated traders of one of the dominant empires in the continent, often all of them at once. slaves were taken during war, and the sale proceeds were so good that many other industries became neglected. africa was thus subject to a constant state of war as a constant flow of slaves had to be taken to sell to the traders, who kept buying more and more (as the price, while very good to the african empires, was very cheap to european traders)

the net effect was that there were two players in the slave trade.

by 1880, most european powers had actually abandoned the slave trade entirely. then, after malaria was cured, they began rapidly colonizing africa, and carved the continent up very rapidly.

it is easy to mix these two actions, but it's important to understand them as distinct and separate historical events, each of which undermined african society in different ways. it is correct to note that almost all slaves were bought from traders; colonies in africa were not established for the purpose of seizing slaves but rather to "uplift the savage natives." a different sort of racism.
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okay so that isnt answering anything

im gonna respond to you assuming this is a real quote because i still think it's hilarious that your defenidng a fake quote so hard

so its gonna be like wakanda if not for white people
but you say you have magical mind reading powers and can tell he meant something else

what did he mean by that quote really

The most advanced cities in Africa are all the ones that were under colonial rule.
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Darkman124 posted...

i think this topic is worth some honest discussion

Thanks, this is interesting elaboration to me. My knowledge of the history is quite limited, pretty much to the extent that Europeans and their slave trade and colonialism impacted Africa badly.
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and he was never seen again until 6pm when he realized he was wrong and decides to triple dog dare me

Whooo boy the defense force comes out for these topics faster than any other topic that can be made.

Defend that culture, my friends.
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Bruh stop responding to some shitty Hoth alt
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Siaperaz posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

boxington posted...

armandro posted...

fuck BP

?

Think hes talking about British Petroleum

cjsdowg posted...

Siaperaz posted...

Hahhahahhahahahahha. How dense can someone be? Did the white people steal the vibranium.

The European powers just stole every other resource that they could .

This. Including the people.

History lessons : Blacks sold blacks as slaves.

Not only that, but the Arab slave trade of blacks is a zillion times worse than what America or Europe did. There's even a slave market in Libya today.
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https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76254614
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cjsdowg posted...

Siaperaz posted...

Hahhahahhahahahahha. How dense can someone be? Did the white people steal the vibranium.

The European powers just stole every other resource that they could .

Sad tc doesnt know this
Trump voters

This is a stupid claim to make because no one knows what would have happened if X happened differently. All we know is that nations engaged in warfare for resources. Some nations lost, other nations won. Ultimately the nations with the best weapons and technology flourished and imposed their will on other nations.

The same thing happened in Europe when European countries would decimate one another in warfare. *shrug*

iClockwork posted...

cjsdowg posted...

The European powers just stole every other resource that they could .

People originated in Africa and had a head start over other civilizations of the world. How did they fall so far behind?

Because, there's no need for "civilization" when the weather's nice for most of the year and hunger can be solved by wandering out just far enough to gather fruits or spear some animal.

Meanwhile, other places had shitty climates, thus the people there needed to develop basic agriculture and animal husbandry to survive at all. What we call "civilization" soon followed, especially when trading with the next civilization over becomes a necessity.

Questionmarktarius posted...

iClockwork posted...

cjsdowg posted...

The European powers just stole every other resource that they could .

People originated in Africa and had a head start over other civilizations of the world. How did they fall so far behind?

Because, there's no need for "civilization" when the weather's nice for most of the year and hunger can be solved by wandering out just far enough to gather fruits or spear some animal.

Meanwhile, other places had shitty climates, thus the people there needed to develop basic agriculture and animal husbandry to survive at all. What we call "civilization" soon followed, especially when trading with the next civilization over becomes a necessity.

Really interesting perspective, but isn't Africa such a massive continent that it invariably has people living in every type of climate? Except perhaps for extremely cold environments.

Questionmarktarius posted...

iClockwork posted...

cjsdowg posted...

The European powers just stole every other resource that they could .

People originated in Africa and had a head start over other civilizations of the world. How did they fall so far behind?

Because, there's no need for "civilization" when the weather's nice for most of the year and hunger can be solved by wandering out just far enough to gather fruits or spear some animal.

Meanwhile, other places had shitty climates, thus the people there needed to develop basic agriculture and animal husbandry to survive at all. What we call "civilization" soon followed, especially when trading with the next civilization over becomes a necessity.

There is no need for civilization when the climate is nice? Literally the Romans and the Greeks, where everything started had amazing climates.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Because, there's no need for "civilization" when the weather's nice for most of the year and hunger can be solved by wandering out just far enough to gather fruits or spear some animal.

That doesn't sound believable.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Really interesting perspective, but isn't Africa such a massive continent that it invariably has people living in every type of climate? Except perhaps for extremely cold environments.

Not really, no. South of the sahara is pretty much permanent green, apart from the temperate areas where the wildlife migrates and the indigenous peoples supposedly migrated with them.

Colonialism did fuck that up, yes, by introducing the concept of "borders". However, there's still a small handful of places, where the Europeans never wanted to go, wherein the people live pretty much the same way they have since the last ice age ended, both in Africa and South America. Arguably also in northern Canada.

the fertile crescent is in africa (and the near/middle east)

the muslim world in the middle ages included northern africa, as well

it is interesting how more northern and western europeans civilizations became so dominant, but you can ask the same question about why the mediterranean world overall fell behind (when was the last time greece did anything relevant?)
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What if... we could build some kind of fence where we could store animals so we dont need to hunt down food when the weather is bad?
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Come on DC, give us a Static Shock movie
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The tsetse fly really fucks up Africa's ability to keep domesticated animals and thus plow fields for agriculture.

Africa has real problems. White people are not one of them and scapegoating an entire race for their failings does not help at all. Stupid, dumb, unproductive article.
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Balrog0 posted...

but you can ask the same question about why the mediterranean world overall fell behind

The Roman Empire imploded, especially the western half.

Lol, name a prosperous African country? Name 1.

You can't....and don't go claiming egyptland again.
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Because, there's no need for "civilization" when the weather's nice for most of the year and hunger can be solved by wandering out just far enough to gather fruits or spear some animal.

That doesn't sound believable.

Similarly, the indigenous people in north america pretty much stopped at late stone age, because they never really had to go any further.
In mesoamerica, metallurgy didn't advance much past gold, because it was fairly common and easy to work.

Balrog0 posted...

it is interesting how more northern and western europeans civilizations became so dominant, but you can ask the same question about why the mediterranean world overall fell behind (when was the last time greece did anything relevant?)

most signs point to the development of long-range sailing and atlantic trade, which was then compounded by their leadership in industrialization
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

The "Evil White People are the reason for everything bad in the world" crowd.

Again, we won't know for sure unless we go back in time, and make black people rule the world. But until we build that time machine, we have to own up to the fact that Western imperialism is one of the main reasons for much of what ails the world right now. That part in history can't be denied.

It's also responsible for almost every bit of philosophical, technological, and scientific advancement.
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darkjedilink posted...

It's also responsible for almost every bit of philosophical, technological, and scientific advancement.

False. This statement shows a piss-poor understanding of how different cultures and civilizations shared knowledge with each other, and how history improperly gives credit based on the biases of the history-writers.

If I kill an entire civilization, then take all of their resources, knowledge, and culture, then who do you think is there to ensure who gets the proper credit for all of the contributions made towards the things that I took from them?
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

darkjedilink posted...

It's also responsible for almost every bit of philosophical, technological, and scientific advancement.

False. This statement shows a piss-poor understanding of how different cultures and civilizations shared knowledge with each other, and how history improperly gives credit based on the biases of the history-writers.

If I kill an entire civilization, then take all of their resources, knowledge, and culture, then who do you think is there to ensure who gets the proper credit for all of the contributions made towards the things that I took from them?

Are you suggesting that the west stole secret scientific knowledge from Zambia and just never gave them credit
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Are you suggesting that the west stole secret scientific knowledge from Zambia and just never gave them credit

Not necessarily Zambia. But there are plenty of things that different civilizations have shared and appropriated, and claim improper credit.
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KillerKhan420 posted...

Lol, name a prosperous African country? Name 1.

Republic of the Congo isn't quite so bad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_the_Congo

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Are you suggesting that the west stole secret scientific knowledge from Zambia and just never gave them credit

Not necessarily Zambia. But there are plenty of things that different civilizations have shared and appropriated, and claim improper credit.

Such as
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Such as

American Rock
Country Music
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darkjedilink posted...

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

The "Evil White People are the reason for everything bad in the world" crowd.

Again, we won't know for sure unless we go back in time, and make black people rule the world. But until we build that time machine, we have to own up to the fact that Western imperialism is one of the main reasons for much of what ails the world right now. That part in history can't be denied.

It's also responsible for almost every bit of philosophical, technological, and scientific advancement.

Correlation does not imply causation >_>
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Such as

American Rock
Country Music

Literally nobody even remotely familiar with music history isn't aware that black people pioneered these genres.

So do you have an example
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Literally nobody even remotely familiar with music history isn't aware that black people pioneered these genres.

Actually, most people think that country music was invented solely by white people. And most people believe that Elvis or the Beatles were responsible for the proliferation of rock music.
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He sounds like that old man from Scooby Doo.
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iClockwork posted...

cjsdowg posted...

The European powers just stole every other resource that they could .

People originated in Africa and had a head start over other civilizations of the world. How did they fall so far behind?

That is probably a really fascinating line of study. If I had to ass pull, Im going to guess that the gigantic landmass and inhospitable conditions kept trade and interactions between cultures at a relative minimum. The relatively cramped conditions of Europe and Western Asia were rife for invasion and conquerers, so you always had some large centralized authority bridging cultures and ideas, which would have spurred innovation. This is most readily apparent after the fall of the Roman empire, when the infrastructure was no longer practical as it couldnt be supported by a centralized power that didnt exist. Cultures consolidated to self-sufficient hamlets, and most all but the monks werent motivated by a need for technological innovation. That period of relative stagnation is what we call the Dark Ages
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I'm not sure the actor in the OP is aware of how empires and large cities develop. They typically have a not-so-positive origin to them.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

So do you have an example

Here's another example:
Italian cuisine

Italian cuisine in its current form would not have existed had they not learned about Native American agriculture, nor would it if they had not learned about noodles from East Asia.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Actually, most people think that country music was invented solely by white people.

Your claim is that the people who colonized Africa stole knowledge from them and never gave them credit, thus their contributions were lost to history. As an example, you named a couple American genres of music which even a cursory exploration of the history would reveal the black American contributions of.

Your example is irrelevant to the subject matter. Do you have an example of what you're claiming or don't you?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Actually, most people think that country music was invented solely by white people.

Your claim is that the people who colonized Africa stole knowledge from them and never gave them credit, thus their contributions were lost to history. As an example, you named a couple American genres of music which even a cursory exploration of the history would reveal the black American contributions of.

Your example is irrelevant to the subject matter. Do you have an example of what you're claiming or don't you?

I think that the point is that you cant actually prove any real examples since these facts have been lost to time. If someone really did steal credit for something from someone else and covered it up, you can't actually prove that happened in the future right?

I'm not saying I agree or know what he claims o know, just pointing out that finding examples of people not being given credit due to them is not ways easy to prove, and may sometimes be impossible
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Your example is irrelevant to the subject matter. Do you have an example of what you're claiming or don't you?

Let's start with CURRENT exploitation:
https://tinyurl.com/kjgtsfg

If you don't trust my Tiny URL, I've placed a || halfway through the link:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/maasai-people-cultural-appropriation-luxury- || fashion-retailers-louis-vuitton-east-africa-intellectual-a7553701.html
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Zikten posted...

Africa never developed much powerful empires. the only major empires they had were in north africa. the continent is just not designed for powerful civilizations. if they were going to do it, they would have already done it centuries earlier. saying white people stopped them is dishonest

Tell that to Tippu Tip
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Vyrulisse posted...

The whole of Human history is the strong taking advantage and exploiting those weaker than them. It's intellectually dishonest to pretend that if roles were reversed that Africa as a whole wouldn't have done the same to Europeans.

They did and they didn't. Moors civilized Europe but also conquered them first. They didn't ravage it however like Europe did to Africa.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

And the Africans were just about to make use of them after doing jack shit with them for 2 million years, right?

You ignoring the countless African Empires that made advancements in society as a whole? Or do you just not know about them?

ManaYuka posted...

Africa couldnt advance as well as Europe cause there was no Roman equivalent that basically concquered all the land and civilized the people and got the society started.

Europe advanced greatly after the dark ages due to war and trade

Africa civilized Europe.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Such as

Potato chips.
Religion, especially Christianity
Lightbulb (A more feasible kind)
Blood banks
Gas Masks
Writing
Irrigation
Calendars
Clocks
Surgery
Make up
Toothpaste
etc.
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