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Sativa_Rose
01/30/18 1:00:11 PM
#153:


I don't think people realize that the massive technological advantages that the Europeans had during the Scramble for Africa hadn't always been there. Like why is someone talking about 2 million years in another post? The massive technological advantage that Europeans were able to get is something that had only been around for a few hundred years.
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andel
01/30/18 1:00:18 PM
#154:


bbt getting owned over and over itt while trying to move the goalposts and change the subject each time lmao

10/10
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Barenziah Boy Toy
01/30/18 1:02:27 PM
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http://www.asbmb.org/asbmbtoday/asbmbtoday_article.aspx?id=32437

Several ancient African cultures birthed discoveries in astronomy. Many of these are foundations on which we still rely, and some were so advanced that their mode of discovery still cannot be understood. Egyptians charted the movement of the sun and constellations and the cycles of the moon. They divided the year into 12 parts and developed a yearlong calendar system containing 365 days (3). Clocks were made with moving water and sundial-like clocks were used (3).
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Many advances in metallurgy and tool making were made across the entirety of ancient Africa. These include steam engines, metal chisels and saws, copper and iron tools and weapons, nails, glue, carbon steel and bronze weapons and art (2, 7).

Advances in Tanzania, Rwanda and Uganda between 1,500 and 2,000 years ago surpassed those of Europeans then and were astonishing to Europeans when they learned of them. Ancient Tanzanian furnaces could reach 1,800C 200 to 400C warmer than those of the Romans (8).
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Many treatments we use today were employed by several ancient peoples throughout Africa. Before the European invasion of Africa, medicine in what is now Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa, to name just a few places, was more advanced than medicine in Europe. Some of these practices were the use of plants with salicylic acid for pain (as in aspirin), kaolin for diarrhea (as in Kaopectate), and extracts that were confirmed in the 20th century to kill Gram positive bacteria (2). Other plants used had anticancer properties, caused abortion and treated malaria and these have been shown to be as effective as many modern-day Western treatments. Furthermore, Africans discovered ouabain, capsicum, physostigmine and reserpine. Medical procedures performed in ancient Africa before they were performed in Europe include vaccination, autopsy, limb traction and broken bone setting, bullet removal, brain surgery, skin grafting, filling of dental cavities, installation of false teeth, what is now known as Caesarean section, anesthesia and tissue cauterization (3). In addition, African cultures preformed surgeries under antiseptic conditions universally when this concept was only emerging in Europe (2).
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Most of us learn that Europeans were the first to sail to the Americas. However, several lines of evidence suggest that ancient Africans sailed to South America and Asia hundreds of years before Europeans. Thousands of miles of waterways across Africa were trade routes. Many ancient societies in Africa built a variety of boats, including small reed-based vessels, sailboats and grander structures with many cabins and even cooking facilities. The Mali and Songhai built boats 100 feet long and 13 feet wide that could carry up to 80 tons (2). Currents in the Atlantic Ocean flow from this part of West Africa to South America. Genetic evidence from plants and descriptions and art from societies inhabiting South America at the time suggest small numbers of West Africans sailed to the east coast of South America and remained there (2). Contemporary scientists have reconstructed these ancient vessels and their fishing gear and have completed the transatlantic voyage successfully. Around the same time as they were sailing to South America, the 13th century, these ancient peoples also sailed to China and back, carrying elephants as cargo (2).

People of African descent come from ancient, rich and elaborate cultures that created a wealth of technologies in many areas. Hopefully, over time, there will be more studies in this area and more people will know of these great achievements.

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Sephiroth1288
01/30/18 1:02:32 PM
#156:


nicklebro posted...
I think that the point is that you cant actually prove any real examples since these facts have been lost to time. If someone really did steal credit for something from someone else and covered it up, you can't actually prove that happened in the future right?

We can name cases where knowledge of one culture was destroyed by other cultures though. The burning of the library at Alexandria, for example. All I'm asking for is evidence of this happening in sub-Saharan Africa at any point

And look, this isn't a knock on African civilizations. If your geographical location wasn't at one point conquered by Rome, Persia, or China, chances are good that place didn;t spawn much advancement either. The Anglo-Saxons didn't do anything impressive until they were taken over by Rome either.

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Let's start with CURRENT exploitation:
https://tinyurl.com/kjgtsfg

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2017/01/30/16/gettyimages-117126116.jpg

^ Truly, this theft of intellectual property will be felt throughout the ages. Whatever will the people of Maasi do without their exclusive rights to blue and red checkered flannel?
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Barenziah Boy Toy
01/30/18 1:03:53 PM
#157:


andel posted...
bbt getting owned over and over itt while trying to move the goalposts and change the subject each time lmao

10/10

Proof of illiteracy.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
01/30/18 1:04:30 PM
#158:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
We can name cases where knowledge of one culture was destroyed by other cultures though. The burning of the library at Alexandria, for example. All I'm asking for is evidence of this happening in sub-Saharan Africa at any point

Done.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
01/30/18 1:11:55 PM
#159:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa
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ManBeast462
01/30/18 1:13:07 PM
#160:


This is basically the reasoning for Africa being high tech in those previews of Black Panther

LOL
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Sativa_Rose
01/30/18 1:15:19 PM
#161:


I can't stand how blanket generalizations are made about "Africa"

It's a continent with over 50 countries dammit.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
01/30/18 1:21:32 PM
#162:


Siaperaz posted...
Did the white people steal the vibranium.


I don't know what that is, but yes. Yes we did.
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Foppe
01/30/18 1:39:20 PM
#163:


Im sorry.
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Charocks
01/30/18 2:24:17 PM
#164:


TC did well. He made something up, posted it, and now everyone is tearing each other's eyes out. Good job!
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EnragedSlith
01/30/18 2:25:57 PM
#165:


Sativa_Rose posted...
I can't stand how blanket generalizations are made about "Africa"

It's a continent with over 50 countries dammit.

Where do you think those countries came from?
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Zikten
01/30/18 2:39:44 PM
#166:


rock music and country music isn't something you can give africa credit for. that was african americans that worked on those. has nothing to do with rising empires in ancient africa
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Zikten
01/30/18 2:40:52 PM
#167:


Knowledge_King posted...
Religion, especially Christianity

this means nothing. are you just saying africans invented religion cause life started in africa? every culture had religion on it's own. there is no group of humans in the world that didn't come up with a native faith.
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Knowledge_King
01/30/18 3:00:00 PM
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Zikten posted...
this means nothing. are you just saying africans invented religion cause life started in africa? every culture had religion on it's own. there is no group of humans in the world that didn't come up with a native faith.


Uh...he said name something most people would think is made by Europeans that was actually made by another culture.

Facts are that Africa started religion. And Christianity is something usually associated with Europe so...
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Zikten
01/30/18 3:03:19 PM
#169:


you can't really say africa started religion. all humans on each continent started religion around the same time, on their own. the europeans and the asians did not learn religion from africans. when those races first left africa, there still wasn't religion yet in africa. it was all independent
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Sativa_Rose
01/30/18 3:04:21 PM
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EnragedSlith posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
I can't stand how blanket generalizations are made about "Africa"

It's a continent with over 50 countries dammit.

Where do you think those countries came from?


I am guessing you are referring to the fact that most of the modern borders were drawn up by the colonialists. Well, now that they've reached their independence, most of them are okay with their borders. There are some exceptions, and South Sudan becoming independent is an example of one, but on the other hand countries like Botswana, Namibia, and Zambia are all managing to improve and not be stuck on this.
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Metro2
01/30/18 3:05:13 PM
#171:


Isn't Wakanda supposed to be some futuristic nation with them spaceships I saw in the trailer?

Obviously no country on earth is that advanced...
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Zikten
01/30/18 3:07:01 PM
#172:


Metro2 posted...
Isn't Wakanda supposed to be some futuristic nation with them spaceships I saw in the trailer?

Obviously no country on earth is that advanced...

yes. they are the most advanced nation on earth, even more advanced than Latveria, the european nation ruled by Doctor Doom. Doctor Doom will never admit that of course. Vibranium only is found in Wakanda. and they use it to propel their civilization beyond any other on the planet.
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Bloodychess
01/30/18 3:18:23 PM
#173:


Zikten posted...
yes. they are the most advanced nation on earth, even more advanced than Latveria, the european nation ruled by Doctor Doom.


Was it this way before or after Disney took over?
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Zikten
01/30/18 3:19:35 PM
#174:


Bloodychess posted...
Zikten posted...
yes. they are the most advanced nation on earth, even more advanced than Latveria, the european nation ruled by Doctor Doom.


Was it this way before or after Disney took over?

Wakanda has always been like this, in the comics. and Wakanda debuted when Black Panther did was in 1966
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ReD_ToMaTo
01/30/18 4:37:38 PM
#175:


Actor says dumb thing. I'm shocked.
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Axiom
01/30/18 4:49:15 PM
#176:


Zikten posted...
Bloodychess posted...
Zikten posted...
yes. they are the most advanced nation on earth, even more advanced than Latveria, the european nation ruled by Doctor Doom.


Was it this way before or after Disney took over?

Wakanda has always been like this, in the comics. and Wakanda debuted when Black Panther did was in 1966

Yeah Wakanda's whole "gimmick" is that it's the most advanced country and it's been that way since inception
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Barenziah Boy Toy
01/30/18 5:05:57 PM
#177:


Zikten posted...
that was african americans that worked on those.

And where do you think African-Americans came from originally?
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Sativa_Rose
01/30/18 5:10:48 PM
#178:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Zikten posted...
that was african americans that worked on those.

And where do you think African-Americans came from originally?


We all came from there originally (likely)
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Barenziah Boy Toy
01/30/18 5:16:57 PM
#179:


Sativa_Rose posted...
We all came from there originally (likely)

So you consider yourself African-American?
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Zikten
01/30/18 5:17:06 PM
#180:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
And where do you think African-Americans came from originally?

you can't credit the continent of africa with it though. most if not all of those people were born in the US. rock and roll and country music is not part of african civilization. it's an american invention
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Sephiroth1288
01/30/18 5:28:36 PM
#181:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa

These advances ARE credited properly to Africa, right?

I thought your claim was that they weren't....?
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Sativa_Rose
01/30/18 5:29:14 PM
#182:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
We all came from there originally (likely)

So you consider yourself African-American?


Nope, but I think that's a BS term. The US needs to move away from hyphenated Americans and focus on integration. There is no "American" ethnicity.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
01/30/18 5:57:13 PM
#183:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
These advances ARE credited properly to Africa, right?

They are credited properly by 0.5% of the population - aka, the persons that devote their life to history and anthropology. Everyone else just assumes that it was mostly 'white' ppl. Which is why you'll see idiots say that 'ppl of European heritage is responsible for 99.999% of everything that's good in this world...'
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Sephiroth1288
01/30/18 6:00:13 PM
#184:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
These advances ARE credited properly to Africa, right?

They are credited properly by 0.5% of the population - aka, the persons that devote their life to history and anthropology. Everyone else just assumes that it was mostly 'white' ppl. Which is why you'll see idiots say that 'ppl of European heritage is responsible for 99.999% of everything that's good in this world...'

I mean, your best single example of this actually happening was some checkered flannel.

Forgive me if it seems like I'm not taking your position seriously, but that's only because you haven't given us anything worth taking seriously.
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AverageCEgal
01/30/18 6:00:29 PM
#185:


its 1pm and bbt is still arguing to defend a fake quote made up by a twitter troll
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Barenziah Boy Toy
01/30/18 6:01:29 PM
#186:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
I mean, your best single example of this actually happening was some checkered flannel.

How nice of you to ignore all of the other links from historians and anthropologists that were already provided.
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Sephiroth1288
01/30/18 6:04:45 PM
#187:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
I mean, your best single example of this actually happening was some checkered flannel.

How nice of you to ignore all of the other links from historians and anthropologists that were already provided.

You linked to a wikipedia page where Africa was properly credited for some inventions, but you didn't show a case where there was an effort to steal any of these inventions to be passed off as someone else's.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
01/30/18 6:06:13 PM
#188:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
You linked to a wikipedia page where Africa was properly credited for some inventions

That was the final link. There were plenty of examples before that.
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Sephiroth1288
01/30/18 11:38:15 PM
#189:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
You linked to a wikipedia page where Africa was properly credited for some inventions

That was the final link. There were plenty of examples before that.

The example you gave before that was Louis Vuitton having clothing that looked nothing like the Maasi people's garb except for the color scheme...
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josifrees
01/30/18 11:43:44 PM
#190:


Africa is going to overcome all the bullshit theyve been subjected to, take back their continent and theyre gonna be a force to be reckoned with. RIP the world
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Barenziah Boy Toy
01/31/18 12:27:18 AM
#191:


Sephiroth1288 posted...
The example you gave before that was Louis Vuitton having clothing that looked nothing like the Maasi people's garb except for the color scheme...

/sigh... post 155, and someone gave post 152
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scar the 1
01/31/18 2:00:11 AM
#192:


Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
The example you gave before that was Louis Vuitton having clothing that looked nothing like the Maasi people's garb except for the color scheme...

/sigh... post 155, and someone gave post 152

Mal is asking for specific instances where people explicitly believe those things are European inventions. Because if you can't provide such instances then obviously it never happened and your whole point is moot.
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