Current Events > Oprah said older Americans should just die.

Topic List
Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4
TheVipaGTS
01/25/18 8:33:40 PM
#101:


Howl posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
KarmaMuffin posted...
If I say "I love apples and children, I could eat a whole bunch of them." Yeah obviously I wasn't talking about eating children despite my unclear language.


tbqh the oprah quote wasnt even that unclear

TC is just hard at comprehending complex thoughts :(


It was clear. The context is that she thinks older generations of racists need to die out. Completely in context it doesn't change the intent. What I said in the topic title is still completely in line with that in context.

you should work for CNN.
---
Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1
... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl
01/25/18 8:34:08 PM
#102:


The only difference in my interpretation of that and yours is I think even in the context you are advocating for it, it's still an awful fucking sentiment.
---
Posted with GameRaven 3.3
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man
01/25/18 8:34:40 PM
#103:


Paper_Okami posted...
Mistere Man posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Mistere Man posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Mistere Man posted...
________ have no place in society!

Depending on what you fill the blank with history will see you as either a monster or a hero, but it is still the exact same idea built on hatred. Without differing ideologies the world would stagnate.

It is better to see the flaws and mistakes of the past and learn from them instead of trying to force your way of thinking on all.

No....Being a racist definitely has no place in a modern society.

But would we be modern society without learning from the mistakes of the past?

I dont agree with their ideals, but I respect their right to think how they want. Just like you are free to think however you want even if it is the same as they do just about them instead of their hated group. Bigotry comes in all forms both righteous and unjust, but it is still bigotry.

we've already learned that racism is bad. we've already learned that bigots and racist are terrible people. they serve no purpose in modern society. racists don't belong in a modern society.

Yet discrimination, bigotry, and general hatred against them is ok while discrimination, bigotry, and general hatred against others is not? If your message is of acceptance then shouldnt it be for all instead of for some? We accept everyone, and every ideal except ______ is hypocritical.


being intolerant of intolerance is not the same thing as discrimination

Depends on how far you go with it honestly. I see your point, but still it is a fine line that if crossed can make you the same monster you are trying to renounce.
---
Water+Fall=Radiation.
... Copied to Clipboard!
bevan306
01/25/18 8:35:27 PM
#104:


Howl posted...
bevan306 posted...
she didn't say they should die. I'm pretty sure an average 10 year old could understand what she's saying


She literally said "they need to just die" that's a direct quote..


you are literally trolling
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS
01/25/18 8:36:05 PM
#105:


Howl posted...
The only difference in my interpretation of that and yours is I think even in the context you are advocating for it, it's still an awful fucking sentiment.

i'm not advocating for anything. she's right. the sentiment and idea of racism won't start to go away until the ones pushing it harder go away and stop spreading it. its not a difficult concept to grasp. that doesn't mean she's saying people should go kill them all right now at this very moment.
---
Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1
... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf
01/25/18 8:36:25 PM
#106:


How is it an awful sentiment to say that a generational understanding of race need to be gone from public discourse because meaningful cultural and legislatively changes that goes against that understanding can be implemented?
... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled
01/25/18 8:39:56 PM
#107:


TheVipaGTS posted...
that doesn't mean she's saying people should go kill them all right now at this very moment.

So? It's still a shitty sentiment. What if I told you that you have to die? I'm not saying you should get murdered right now but it's still an extremely shitty thing to say.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
#108
Post #108 was unavailable or deleted.
#109
Post #109 was unavailable or deleted.
Howl
01/25/18 8:42:43 PM
#110:


NibeIungsnarf posted...
How is it an awful sentiment to say that a generational understanding of race need to be gone from public discourse because meaningful cultural and legislatively changes that goes against that understanding can be implemented?


Because it's wishing for the deaths of people who hold a different viewpoint. No matter how abhorrent that viewpoint is, it's awful. There's literally child molestors in prison right now whose sole preoccupation is thinking about how they're gonna rape someone next. If a politician said " theres an entire culture of men in prison who were raised in sexual abuse and bred in it. In order for us to move forward they need to die" That person would never get elected.
---
Posted with GameRaven 3.3
... Copied to Clipboard!
bevan306
01/25/18 8:43:42 PM
#111:


Howl posted...
Because it's wishing for the deaths of people


nope
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl
01/25/18 8:44:00 PM
#112:


bevan306 posted...
Howl posted...
Because it's wishing for the deaths of people


nope


Yep
---
Posted with GameRaven 3.3
... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man
01/25/18 8:48:06 PM
#113:


Her words are ambiguous as they can be taken however you want to hear them. Take them how you want as to add extra words is to be a defender saying she didnt mean that she meant this instead. Only she knows what her true intent for those words are.
---
Water+Fall=Radiation.
... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf
01/25/18 8:48:57 PM
#114:


Howl posted...
Because it's wishing for the deaths of people who hold a different viewpoint.

Saying that an issue won't be solved for a generation is not the same as wishing death on the generation that need to pass.

Are you trying to argue her poor choice of words or the meaning behind them? Because I can agree that the former was crappy, but you seem to focus on the latter.
... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS
01/25/18 8:49:09 PM
#115:


Mistere Man posted...
Her words are ambiguous as they can be taken however you want to hear them. Take them how you want as to add extra words is to be a defender saying she didnt mean that she meant this instead. Only she knows what her true intent for those words are.

no its very clear what her true intent was to anyone without an agenda..
---
Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1
... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl
01/25/18 8:51:09 PM
#116:


NibeIungsnarf posted...
Saying that an issue won't be solved for a generation is not the same as wishing death on the generation that need to pass.



I don't see how saying they need to just die could mean anything other than her wishing that would happen.
---
Posted with GameRaven 3.3
... Copied to Clipboard!
#117
Post #117 was unavailable or deleted.
NibeIungsnarf
01/25/18 8:53:04 PM
#118:


Howl posted...
I don't see how saying they need to just die could mean anything other than her wishing that would happen.

That does seem to be the lie you're going with.
... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo
01/25/18 8:54:47 PM
#119:


Leanaunfurled posted...
So? It's still a shitty sentiment. What if I told you that you have to die? I'm not saying you should get murdered right now but it's still an extremely shitty thing to say.

it's certainly a poor choice of words, up there with romney's 47% comment or hillary's basket of deplorables comment
it doesn't matter how true any of the three's comments were or how false they were, it's the kind of thing that sticks with people and makes you look ugly
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
#120
Post #120 was unavailable or deleted.
LJRENEGADE
01/25/18 9:05:18 PM
#121:


I see what she's trying to say, but saying "they need to die" is a pretty crass way to put it.
... Copied to Clipboard!
#122
Post #122 was unavailable or deleted.
prince_leo
01/25/18 9:08:04 PM
#123:


27_Sandman_40 posted...
this is only a poor choice of words to people who cant understand basic logic and get offended by literal facts

it feels like you're expecting more from a bunch of old people who get lied to
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel
01/25/18 9:13:07 PM
#124:


prince_leo posted...
27_Sandman_40 posted...
this is only a poor choice of words to people who cant understand basic logic and get offended by literal facts

it feels like you're expecting more from a bunch of old people who get lied to

These are also the same people who post statistics on crime and say "it's just facts that (demographic xyz) kills more (demographic abc) than anyone else."
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3
01/25/18 11:06:20 PM
#125:


Context and CE users: the never-ending struggle
---
Roll Tide & Go Irish
... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink
01/25/18 11:09:19 PM
#126:


Paper_Okami posted...
racists have no place in society.

Everyone is racist on some level, so you're literally arguing that people in general have no place in society.
---
'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen
... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe
01/26/18 12:03:47 AM
#127:


CrimsonRage posted...
Oprah isn't running. you can stop acting like you have dirt on her.
lol she's not running for president so she can say shitty and abhorrent things and it's okay.
---
I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski
... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenLurker
01/26/18 3:12:04 AM
#128:


Tmaster148 posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
myzz7 posted...
and she is positioning to run as president


http://time.com/5118246/oprah-winfrey-2020-presidential-election/

AFAIK, people jumped on the train over a speech she gave recently, but she herself never confirmed she was going to run.

Of course she won't confirm. If she did it would give conservatives more time to dig up dirt.


Or she has no interest in running and it's only conversations holding on to it. I have only noticed right wing posters on this board ever talk about her running for president.

Do I need to link the L.A. Times article with all the Hollywood people clamoring for her to run?
---
[Insert tired meme here]
... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony
01/26/18 3:13:11 AM
#129:


Female Trump
---
I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics.
http://i.imgtc.com/tHc3mIo.png http://i.imgtc.com/PYxw8Lm.png
... Copied to Clipboard!
#131
Post #131 was unavailable or deleted.
Leanaunfurled
01/26/18 10:17:50 AM
#132:


shockthemonkey posted...
Leanaunfurled posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
that doesn't mean she's saying people should go kill them all right now at this very moment.

So? It's still a shitty sentiment. What if I told you that you have to die? I'm not saying you should get murdered right now but it's still an extremely shitty thing to say.

I know you like to troll from time to time but really, this?

People defending statements about people having to die, but yeah sure, I'm the one that's trolling. CE is disgusting about other people as usual.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe
01/26/18 10:22:19 AM
#133:


Leanaunfurled posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
Leanaunfurled posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
that doesn't mean she's saying people should go kill them all right now at this very moment.

So? It's still a shitty sentiment. What if I told you that you have to die? I'm not saying you should get murdered right now but it's still an extremely shitty thing to say.

I know you like to troll from time to time but really, this?

People defending statements about people having to die, but yeah sure, I'm the one that's trolling. CE is disgusting about other people as usual.
I've seen a poster literally advocate and celebrate someone being murder because it fit their agenda. I called that poster what they deserved to be called, knowing I'd get warned/suspended, but their comment never got deleted. This forum is always awful because of the people that refuse to do anything less than shill their "side".
---
I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski
... Copied to Clipboard!
VectorChaos
01/26/18 10:24:35 AM
#134:


Metro2 posted...
To be fair, some older people will NEVER change their ways. That's what she's mainly getting at: that these people are hopeless and will continue to be bigots.


I've been saying this for years. One of the best solutions to racists and bigots of the older generations is to simply leave them alone and let them die of old age in obscurity. Don't give them attention. Don't make martyrs of them to the rest of their ilk. It's getting harder for them as time goes on to instill their hatred into the next generation. Just live your damn life and let them and their beliefs quietly die off.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled
01/26/18 10:28:03 AM
#135:


thanosibe posted...
I've seen a poster literally advocate and celebrate someone being murder because it fit their agenda. I called that poster what they deserved to be called, knowing I'd get warned/suspended, but their comment never got deleted. This forum is always awful because of the people that refuse to do anything less than shill their "side".

How many people in this topic alone said things like "They're just racists, they don't belong in society" etc. etc.? all the time on here I see posts about how people should be tortured and raped for things the individual did. This place is all for the mentality of eye for an eye and if someone did something they're better off not existing mentality.
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeGuyPosting
01/26/18 10:29:20 AM
#136:


Hopefully She dies soon
... Copied to Clipboard!
Wetterdew
01/26/18 10:30:36 AM
#137:


She's completely right, though.
---
Touch fuzzy get dizzy.
... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe
01/26/18 10:34:46 AM
#138:


Leanaunfurled posted...
thanosibe posted...
I've seen a poster literally advocate and celebrate someone being murder because it fit their agenda. I called that poster what they deserved to be called, knowing I'd get warned/suspended, but their comment never got deleted. This forum is always awful because of the people that refuse to do anything less than shill their "side".

How many people in this topic alone said things like "They're just racists, they don't belong in society" etc. etc.? all the time on here I see posts about how people should be tortured and raped for things the individual did. This place is all for the mentality of eye for an eye and if someone did something they're better off not existing mentality.
That's because on CE people are either trolling for the purpose of trying to put particular posters they don't like in a "bad light" despite that what they are saying is awful or are just awful themselves. Lots of people on CE can't separate the post from the poster. That's why all the time you'll see posts like ..... "Imagine responding to X poster in 2018" as a way to devalue whatever was posted because they can't or are not able to attack/address the post. And it obviously bad enough that this site revamped their ToU on insults to try and ebb the flow of people just insulting others as a way to try invalidate their posts.

These are also the same posters that can't take a dose of their own medicine.
---
I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski
... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos
01/26/18 10:36:59 AM
#139:


So is the message all racists should just die, or only the old ones?
---
How's my posting?
Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns.
... Copied to Clipboard!
#140
Post #140 was unavailable or deleted.
Howl
01/26/18 10:49:53 AM
#141:


shnangyboos posted...
So is the message all racists should just die, or only the old ones?


IDK apparently racists "have no place in society today" so I'm pretty sure those posters who said that would be perfectly comfortable supporting outright genocide of all racists regardless of their age.
---
Posted with GameRaven 3.3
... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl
01/26/18 10:53:35 AM
#142:


Conflict posted...
Howl posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Zikten posted...
I haven't watched the video. just going off the topic title. my parents aren't racist or they wouldn't have adopted a non white child

well then you should watch the video. she isn't saying what the title implies at all.


She literally said that.


"Older Americans should just die" and "Older racist Americans should just die" are literally not the same thing

Yeah it's still an extreme statement/poor choice of words but your topic title is still bait and the fact that you can't perceive that is amusing


Lol right. Imagine replacing the word "racist" in those two statements with any other personal adjective.

It still has the exact same awful context, but liberals give it a pass because they are completely ok with genocidal ideologies as long as it's people they hate being targeted.
---
Posted with GameRaven 3.3
... Copied to Clipboard!
#143
Post #143 was unavailable or deleted.
Howl
01/26/18 10:58:32 AM
#144:


Conflict posted...
Good lord, you still don't get it


Really try replacing racist with any other adjective and tell me you're still ok with it.

How about fat, ugly, jewish, muslim, black white, gay, straight, short, rich, poor? Any of those make those statements seem ok? Absolutely fucking not. That's why its hypocritical to defend this
---
Posted with GameRaven 3.3
... Copied to Clipboard!
#145
Post #145 was unavailable or deleted.
#146
Post #146 was unavailable or deleted.
The Great Muta 22
01/26/18 11:04:09 AM
#147:


Howl posted...
Conflict posted...
Good lord, you still don't get it


Really try replacing racist with any other adjective and tell me you're still ok with it.

How about fat, ugly, jewish, muslim, black white, gay, straight, short, rich, poor? Any of those make those statements seem ok? Absolutely fucking not. That's why its hypocritical to defend this


Lmao at you equating racism with all those things. They aren't all equal
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl
01/26/18 11:06:38 AM
#148:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Howl posted...
Conflict posted...
Good lord, you still don't get it


Really try replacing racist with any other adjective and tell me you're still ok with it.

How about fat, ugly, jewish, muslim, black white, gay, straight, short, rich, poor? Any of those make those statements seem ok? Absolutely fucking not. That's why its hypocritical to defend this


Lmao at you equating racism with all those things. They aren't all equal


Ok change it to murderer, or rapist. Is just stating all rapists should just die ok?
---
Posted with GameRaven 3.3
... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22
01/26/18 11:07:47 AM
#149:


Howl posted...
Ok change it to murderer, or rapist. Is just stating all rapists should just die ok?


I mean...I wouldn't really be that upset...
---
... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg
01/26/18 11:07:59 AM
#150:


I keep seeing republicans post video for this and quote her differently even with fucking video proof.
---
Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives?
... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward
01/26/18 11:09:02 AM
#151:


Good god almighty, this topic is indicative of how fucking cancerous politics and youth are these days.
---
http://i.imgur.com/DKNJbBm.jpg
What a terrifying thing to happen. I'm not sure why but I have this big fear of going blond - Zurkon
... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List
Page List: 1, 2, 3, 4