Poll of the Day > Is there a form of racism that's not based on xenophobia?

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Scientific racism. Banned in the science community.
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ImmortalityV posted...

Scientific racism. Banned in the science community.

But what if there is a type of insect that feeds on melanin... that'd be "scientific racism", wouldn't it?
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Racism based on xenophobia assumes that one fears that which they do not understand. However, it is an easy thing to get use to a person when they look different or acts differently than what one is use to when no harm has been caused by these differences. Racism frequently points to an expected trend that draws on past experience. More often than not racism is founded on familiarity that breeds contempt.
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No, not unless you get into Race Realism which I heavily suggest you don't as it's pseudoscience, and mainly accepted by the same people who don't understand what a "White" person is a social construct.
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Judgmenl posted...

No, not unless you get into Race Realism which I heavily suggest you don't as it's pseudoscience, and mainly accepted by the same people who don't understand what a "White" person is a social construct.

But if a white person is a social construct how can white privilege exist...
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Racism based on xenophobia assumes that one fears that which they do not understand. However, it is an easy thing to get use to a person when they look different or acts differently than what one is use to when no harm has been caused by these differences. Racism frequently points to an expected trend that draws on past experience. More often than not racism is founded on familiarity that breeds contempt.

You used a lot of words to say nothing; Can you condense that?

And I'm defining xenophobia as "you're not me, so I don't like you"
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revenge racism as shown by sjw
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Phrenology?
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ImmortalityV posted...

But if a white person is a social construct how can white privilege exist...

This is a good post.
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Xenophobia is the intense fear, disliking and/or prejudice against people from other countries, whilst racism usually refers to a predisposed belief about someone/group based on their race (usually with beliefs of inferiority or superiority)

Therefore, if someone from Australia held the belief that anyone born in Australia (hypothetically lets just assume that's a blanket statement) was intrinsically and genetically inferior to say, people born in Japan, that's racist but not based upon xenophobia.

If... that makes sense?
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Judgmenl posted...

ImmortalityV posted...

But if a white person is a social construct how can white privilege exist...

This is a good post.

Not really. Class is a social construct (it's not based purely on economic status: there's a "right" accent and a "wrong" accent, etc) -- but who's going to deny that class privilege/prejudice exists? Race is a concept that's fuzzy at the edges, and who gets put in which pigeonhole can be arbitrary, but people still make judgements based on it.
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Funkdamental posted...

Judgmenl posted...

ImmortalityV posted...

But if a white person is a social construct how can white privilege exist...

This is a good post.

Not really. Class is a social construct (it's not based purely on economic status: there's a "right" accent and a "wrong" accent, etc) -- but who's going to deny that class privilege/prejudice exists? Race is a concept that's fuzzy at the edges, and who gets put in which pigeonhole can be arbitrary, but people still make judgements based on it.

If class is a social construct, and communism is a classless society, then why are social marxists fighting for their class?
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I'm not a fan of ImmortalityV's thought process. A social construct may be illogical, but still socially prevalent. Something being a social construct ("white" people) doesn't negate the existence of actual consequences (white privilege), good OR bad, from transpiring, on account of the social construct.

Being a "hippy" is a social construct, but "hippy" culture influenced aspects of the 60s. Post-WWII Soviet Communism (Stalinism) was a social construct, but it influenced everything in the USSR for the better part of a century.

Be proud of your heritage, where your people are from, the foods they make, the culture you share with them. But know that your and my white ancestors benefited from the brutal subjugation of people of color. You don't have to personally feel guilty about it, because as an adult, you should be able to separate your emotions and your thought process on historical matters.
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ImmortalityV posted...

Scientific racism. Banned in the science community.

Also, could you explain what scientific racism entails in detailed terms? Clarification might enlighten me as to what your point is, beyond asking befuddled questions?
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Xenophobia has largely been encouraged post-WWI as a means of political control over the uneducated peasantry. Fascists did it, Communists did it, Capitalists do it!

The general population seems to be very impressionable, in the past, and in the present! After all, why should the German people have felt "xenophobic" towards the Jewish people? They were Jews that had lived their for centuries, if not a millennium. This too was the same with Jewish Communists tried in show trials in Eastern Bloc states of the USSR in the 1950's - the Jews were painted as cosmopolitan wanderers devoid of a Fatherland, although many had lived in their respective countries, states, for their recent histories.

This is a complicated topic, yet we're arguing like children!!!
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Self-hating racism. Also, I don't think it's based on 'Xenophobia' all that often. For example, someone can believe that (insert race/culture/religion) is superior to (insert other race/culture/religion). Or that another isn't 'fully human' or whatever else. They're certainly not afraid of anything, just seeing it as inferior to them.
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ReturnOfFa posted...

ImmortalityV posted...

Scientific racism. Banned in the science community.

Also, could you explain what scientific racism entails in detailed terms? Clarification might enlighten me as to what your point is, beyond asking befuddled questions?

Here comes the Millennial Test - Millennials can't define anything.
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Lokarin posted...

ReturnOfFa posted...

ImmortalityV posted...

Scientific racism. Banned in the science community.

Also, could you explain what scientific racism entails in detailed terms? Clarification might enlighten me as to what your point is, beyond asking befuddled questions?

Here comes the Millennial Test - Millennials can't define anything.

lmao

I am not the average millennial
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Unbridled9 posted...

Self-hating racism. Also, I don't think it's based on 'Xenophobia' all that often. For example, someone can believe that (insert race/culture/religion) is superior to (insert other race/culture/religion). Or that another isn't 'fully human' or whatever else. They're certainly not afraid of anything, just seeing it as inferior to them.

These are all good points!

I think you're right, but I also think that sometimes said belief that a certain race is better than another may be influenced by outside political pressures of a xenophobic nature. Human beings when put into positions of power start believing some pretty zany garbage, it would appear to seem.
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The way I see it, saying that a white person is a social construct is like saying that an apple being a fruit is a social construct. Obviously a society had to determine what an apple is, but it's so widely accepted everywhere that it's become simple fact. I feel like a social construct is something that can change with the times, like the hippie example. There are even some cultures halfway around the world that wouldn't even know what a hippie is, but I would say everyone knows an apple is a fruit. Just like everyone knows the history of white people.
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ReturnOfFa posted...

lmao

I am not the average millennial

Says your average millennial :P
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HeyImAlex posted...

ReturnOfFa posted...

lmao

I am not the average millennial

Says your average millennial :P

I was referring to Immortal though, using your point as context
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HeyImAlex posted...

ReturnOfFa posted...

lmao

I am not the average millennial

Says your average millennial :P

I can still take a joke at my expense...does my point still stand?? lmao :p
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Oh boy this topic is going places
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ReturnOfFa posted...

HeyImAlex posted...

ReturnOfFa posted...

lmao

I am not the average millennial

Says your average millennial :P

I can still take a joke at my expense...does my point still stand?? lmao :p

Just giving you a hard time. Yeah, I definitely feel hippie is a social/cultural construct. A white person, on the other hand, is a white person no matter what part of the world we're from.
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Lokarin posted...

Funkdamental posted...

Judgmenl posted...

ImmortalityV posted...

But if a white person is a social construct how can white privilege exist...

This is a good post.

Not really. Class is a social construct (it's not based purely on economic status: there's a "right" accent and a "wrong" accent, etc) -- but who's going to deny that class privilege/prejudice exists? Race is a concept that's fuzzy at the edges, and who gets put in which pigeonhole can be arbitrary, but people still make judgements based on it.

If class is a social construct, and communism is a classless society, then why are social marxists fighting for their class?

Because class isn't yet obsolete. It's a reality in the society in which we live. A classless society -- the goal -- doesn't yet exist. And there's no need for the "if". If you think class isn't a social construct, a system for sorting people that defines them by relationships and rules, then what the hell do you think it is?
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Smarkil posted...

Oh boy this topic is going places

I just like how the literal actual answer was already posted.

aHappySacka posted...

Phrenology?

Analytical Racism.

When you gather as much data as possible about various peoples, such as how they act and what they've accomplished, then come to conclusions and rank races using the data.

Lokarin posted...

You used a lot of words to say nothing; Can you condense that?
And I'm defining xenophobia as "you're not me, so I don't like you"

I assume you meant "you're not like me". Otherwise you're describing misanthropy and would dislike everyone.

Racism caused by "you're not like me" is easy to fix. Over time you eventually accept that not being like you causes no harm and there is no reason to not like that other person.

Racism can also be caused by bad experiences with another person. That experience is then associated with other people who share traits with that person. Instead of "you're not like me" the cause is "you are like him".
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