Current Events > There's nothing wrong with homeschooling.

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It can actually be better than public schools.
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Who's saying something's wrong with it?
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All day nap day
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Yeah until they have to assimilate into the real world
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RockLee94 posted...

Yeah until they have to assimilate into the real world

Who says they don't do a better job with that?
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At least you can teach them the skills they will need in the real world, not a bunch of useless facts they will never use. High school should focus on budgeting, writing a resume, interviewing, and things like that.
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Homeschooled kids were always so weird
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God help those poor kids when they go to college

It has its pros and cons, but I've noticed a lot of those kids are socially incompetent
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Agreed. It is weird how the cultural left has an antipathy for it imo. I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
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It depends on how you set it up. A lot of people think its as simple as giving the kid some books, giving assignments, and walking away. If you do that, you will get a bad result.
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As someone that did homeschooling for a couple years, fuck that.
It's awful. The lack of social interaction and developing a friends circle is enough to make the whole thing not worth it.
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i think it is a profoundly negative thing in 95% of cases
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

It can actually be better than public schools.

Trump supporter logic

We all know what you mean, though - You could keep your kids from those pesky "thugs", am I right?

Homeschooling is for delinquents and sex slaves

C7D posted...

It depends on how you set it up. A lot of people think its as simple as giving the kid some books, giving assignments, and walking away. If you do that, you will get a bad result.

Yeah, it can work out okay, I've seen it go decently and seen it go horribly. It really has to be the right kind of parent in charge (and probably the right kid). I feel like most I've known just screw around all day and are pretty dumb and socially awkward. >_> But I've known some smart, social people that were homeschooled.
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RockLee94 posted...

Yeah until they have to assimilate into the real world

There are plenty of extra curricular activities that socialize children.
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I would agree but then I remember when I was home schooled.

The very little amount of work I did to get an A, didn't feel right. My name was on the A honor roll list at school and I didn't even go there.
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As long as they use a well-structured curriculum and one of the parents is actively engaged with teaching them, they won't be inferior to those that went to a public school, at least academically. But they should still be enrolled in some sort of extracurricular activity like sports or some kind of youth group because this could very well happen if they did not:

eston posted...

It has its pros and cons, but I've noticed a lot of those kids are socially incompetent

As far as college goes, my best friend and his 5 siblings were homeschooled by his mother who took an active interest in their education, and he went on to get his PhD in Computer Engineering. The rest were doing pretty well for themselves the last I've checked.
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meestermj posted...

As someone that did homeschooling for a couple years, fuck that.
It's awful. The lack of social interaction and developing a friends circle is enough to make the whole thing not worth it.

But on the other hand, not worrying about your placement in the social hierarchy is good for a child's self-esteem in the long run.

Its fine. Keep your weird children quarantined away from the rest of normal society.
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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

meestermj posted...

As someone that did homeschooling for a couple years, fuck that.
It's awful. The lack of social interaction and developing a friends circle is enough to make the whole thing not worth it.

But on the other hand, not worrying about your placement in the social hierarchy is good for a child's self-esteem in the long run.

I'd rather my child have the social skills and connections early in life to develop properly.
I homeschooled for effectively 3 years. I spent those three years fucking around because I simply tested out and skipped grades 8-10.
I had no friends and no connections. When I finally reintegrate into public school, it was the best time of my life.
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My freshmen year of high school, the school district changed the rules and only let people be home or private schooled through 8th grade, so there were a shit load of socially awkward, inept, and naive kids in my class.

One of the funniest/saddest things I've ever seen in my life was when our gruff, old, ex-military P.E. coach made a kid cry because he yelled at him for not running, then the kid says he was home schooled and his parents never made him run so he didn't know how. Coach didn't believe him and sent him to the office, then one of the A.P.s came back with the kid and he explained the situation to him. Coach spent the class teaching him how to run while we did some fitness test crap. We're doing our pushups and sit-ups and there's this awkward kid running all bowlegged, plodding feet around the perimeter of the gym.

There was also a girl from a Catholic school who I'm pretty sure found out what sex was from some cholo in math class. That was kind of hilarious.

But yeah, seeing all those poor, stunted kids made me think neither of those options are any better an alternative to public schools.
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I have a kid in my philosophy class that has been homeschooled his whole life. It's fucking hilarious.
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ClunkerSlim posted...

Ive seen TONS of these homeschool books and tapes over the years. Its a freaking joke, especially if the church is anyway involved. I was reading this workbook of my cousins and every correct answer to the science questions was a variation on God did it.

Haha. I don't think that's always the case, though... I went to a private Christian school that I assume had similar curriculum to some homeschoolers and yeah, in science you'd get a couple days of all the young earth theory and stuff, but then it was basically, "That's what we believe... but now we are going to spend the rest of the quarter teaching you what you'll actually need to know when you go to college." I think that's fine considering.
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the thing is that there are obviously examples of terrible homeschoolers, but there are also plenty of examples of terrible public schools
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I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian household and went to evangelical Christian fundamentalist churches growing up so I knew plenty of home schooled kids even though I was public schooled (my mom teaches at a Christian school and really wanted me to go but I refused).

about 1/4 of the kids were totally normal and grew up to be successful adults.
about 1/2 of them had some severe culture shock at some point when they got out of their sheltered life but managed to turn out ok. like becoming alcoholics/severe binge drinkers or whatever in college was pretty common
remainder turned out basically functionally illiterate and are still living with their parents last I heard.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

I have a kid in my philosophy class that has been homeschooled his whole life. It's fucking hilarious.

stories?
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Eh.

You'll miss a lot of social development.

There's also the matter of parents who home school but don't actually teach their kids anything. The ones for whom "home school" is code for "no school."
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Seems like the main proponents for homeschooling are religious fundies who believe that American culture is evil and want to "shelter" their kids from its "corrupting influence".
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As someone who was home-schooled and ended up academically and socially stunted beyond hope, I can officially say it's a worthless crock of shit and anyone who encourages it needs to be bludgeoned until they stop making noise.

I will never fucking forgive my parents for that level of ruination.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Seems like the main proponents for homeschooling are religious fundies who believe that American culture is evil and want to "shelter" their kids from its "corrupting influence".

Yeah I should clarify that this is the kind of homeschooling I meant and more often than not its been the case for people Ive seen IRL
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RockLee94 posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

Seems like the main proponents for homeschooling are religious fundies who believe that American culture is evil and want to "shelter" their kids from its "corrupting influence".

Yeah I should clarify that this is the kind of homeschooling I meant and more often than not its been the case for people Ive seen IRL

That's definitely what made up most of homeschoolers when I was school age, but while I currently know families that are homeschooling for those reasons, they've told me tales of going to the local homeschool co-op things and now there are actually tons of super liberal people that are homeschooling their kids. I'm not sure what their reasoning is, though. Maybe its just a local anomaly.
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Idk my half sister has a 2 year old and is talking about home schooling her.

She also hasnt taken the child to the doctor for regular check-ups and is an anti-vaccine person or whatever they are called.

People are just crazy.
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The group of people who homeschools for being religiously wacko is very different than the ones who do it for academic reasons.

People say homeschooled kids are so weird, but I wonder if that's because the school system has a way of forcing everyone into social conformity. Anyone who stands out is called out for that, so people end up trying to fit in. I wonder if when it comes to the actual real world if these kids who have had this idea of fitting in ingrained into their heads so deeply are actually better equipped. Anecdotal, but I know so many people who have failed to adjust to the new social realities of the post-high school world.

This thing we do where we stick kids in groups of kids their own age, so they are surrounded by them for years and years while growing up, isn't actually the natural state of things and may not be very good for long term social development.
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RockLee94 posted...

She also hasnt taken the child to the doctor for regular check-ups and is an anti-vaccine person or whatever they are called.

Okay this is dangerous, lol. I guess one risk of homeschooling is that there is basically zero accountability for the teachers.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

The group of people who homeschools for being religiously wacko is very different than the ones who do it for academic reasons.

People say homeschooled kids are so weird, but I wonder if that's because the school system has a way of forcing everyone into social conformity. Anyone who stands out is called out for that, so people end up trying to fit in. I wonder if when it comes to the actual real world if these kids who have had this idea of fitting in ingrained into their heads so deeply are actually better equipped. Anecdotal, but I know so many people who have failed to adjust to the new social realities of the post-high school world.

This thing we do where we stick kids in groups of kids their own age, so they are surrounded by them for years and years while growing up, isn't actually the natural state of things and may not be very good for long term social development.

which isn't even talking about all the crap that I thought people on both sides complained about in public schools (not enough recess time, too much standardization and teaching to the test, too punitive, etc)

like obviously you can fuck up homeschool but I dont get people who are against it in principle
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Sativa_Rose posted...

The group of people who homeschools for being religiously wacko is very different than the ones who do it for academic reasons.

People say homeschooled kids are so weird, but I wonder if that's because the school system has a way of forcing everyone into social conformity. Anyone who stands out is called out for that, so people end up trying to fit in. I wonder if when it comes to the actual real world if these kids who have had this idea of fitting in ingrained into their heads so deeply are actually better equipped. Anecdotal, but I know so many people who have failed to adjust to the new social realities of the post-high school world.

This thing we do where we stick kids in groups of kids their own age, so they are surrounded by them for years and years while growing up, isn't actually the natural state of things and may not be very good for long term social development.

One of the few benefits I see having kids go to church is they do seem to be able to better talk to and relate with adults than kids who pretty much only experience adults as parents/teachers.
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KILBOTz posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

The group of people who homeschools for being religiously wacko is very different than the ones who do it for academic reasons.

People say homeschooled kids are so weird, but I wonder if that's because the school system has a way of forcing everyone into social conformity. Anyone who stands out is called out for that, so people end up trying to fit in. I wonder if when it comes to the actual real world if these kids who have had this idea of fitting in ingrained into their heads so deeply are actually better equipped. Anecdotal, but I know so many people who have failed to adjust to the new social realities of the post-high school world.

This thing we do where we stick kids in groups of kids their own age, so they are surrounded by them for years and years while growing up, isn't actually the natural state of things and may not be very good for long term social development.

One of the few benefits I see having kids go to church is they do seem to be able to better talk to and relate with adults than kids who pretty much only experience adults as parents/teachers.

Oh I agree, community in general is one of the only reasons why church still exists in a lot of places I think. This is why people have been making "atheist churches" to try to create the same atmosphere but not tied to believing in some ancient religious text.
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I think homeschooling is okay as long as the student has adequate means of socializing outside the 'classroom'; I knew a couple homeschooled kids growing up who were fairly normal because they did things like go summer day camp with other kids or, after homeschooling, did extracurricular activities at local schools - unfortunately, many homeschooled kids don't get these opportunities.

Were you homeschooled, TC?
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