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Solar_Crimson
01/18/18 11:02:52 AM
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Muffinz0rz
01/18/18 11:03:02 AM
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Purple hair
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ilovu
01/18/18 11:03:33 AM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
Purple hair

Scott pilgrim?
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UnholyMudcrab
01/18/18 11:03:59 AM
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Fin_Dawg_004
01/18/18 11:04:22 AM
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it's pretty obvious but i won't say it
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Sada_Pop
01/18/18 11:04:52 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
It features minorities


Yes. More than the token black dude and its clearly forced, liberal, SJW propaganda.
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RebelElite791
01/18/18 11:05:04 AM
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Sada_Pop posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
It features minorities


Yes. More than the token black dude and its clearly forced, liberal, SJW propaganda.

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averagejoel
01/18/18 11:06:25 AM
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-features some women in prominent roles
-has women who are interested in something other than men
-features some people of colour in prominent roles
-might draw a comparison to nazis in a negative way
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frozenshock
01/18/18 11:06:26 AM
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Watch Sense8 on netflix
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s0nicfan
01/18/18 11:06:35 AM
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When the entire purpose of characters or plotlines is to espouse a progressive viewpoint, especially when the character or plot doesn't really fit within the universe created.

For example, to reference a recent video game controversy, if in your world magic exists to let anyone turn into whatever they want, then having a "trans" character whose whole purpose is to try and get the player to empathize with their plight is a "SJW" moment. This is because, within the context of the universe of the game, they can just use magic to actually become what they think they are, rather than lamenting the fact that they're not and wishing that others would treat them like they were.

EDIT: Also, if a character is giving a speech and it's clearly directed at the audience and not the other people in-universe
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Vindris_SNH
01/18/18 11:06:50 AM
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prepare to cringe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MopFOELg-Lk

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TheGrindery
01/18/18 11:08:31 AM
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Teaching morals in a hilariously bad way. This means the GI Joe cartoon fits the bill. At least the last few minutes anyway.
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Questionmarktarius
01/18/18 11:10:48 AM
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The plot is essentially recycled from an 80s teen movie:
Our mary-sue hero is constantly harassed by some rich asshole who arbitrary changes the rules just to harass our mary-sue hero.

The only thing missing is Robert Vaughn portraying that asshole. If it's a cartoon, expect Ed Asner to take on the role instead.
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Muffinz0rz
01/18/18 11:48:11 AM
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frozenshock posted...
Watch Sense8 on netflix

And then incessantly comment on literally every single tweet from the Netflix account demanding a season 3 even though they already got "rewarded" with a 2hr series finale that they were under no obligation to create

Seriously, go to any given tweet

ilovu posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Purple hair

Scott pilgrim?

Actually I was making a Last Jedi joke

Scott Pilgrim is a great movie but it is also beloved by the tumblr community
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NeonOctopus
01/18/18 11:50:51 AM
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When they shove politicial messages and characters down our throats with the subtlety of a bat to the face for a show that doesn't need it >_>
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scar the 1
01/18/18 11:56:37 AM
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Any time it is not very obviously heteronormative
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MC_BatCommander
01/18/18 11:57:29 AM
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people cried SJW at Horizon because Aloy wasn't hot... At this point SJW just means "thing I don't like"
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l Dudeboy l
01/18/18 11:58:40 AM
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Too many women according to gamefaqs.

Especially if there's even one in a position of power.
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BuckVanHammer
01/18/18 11:59:13 AM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
people cried SJW at Horizon because Aloy wasn't hot... At this point SJW just means "thing I don't like"

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PhlogPyro
01/18/18 11:59:20 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
When the entire purpose of characters or plotlines is to espouse a progressive viewpoint, especially when the character or plot doesn't really fit within the universe created.

For example, to reference a recent video game controversy, if in your world magic exists to let anyone turn into whatever they want, then having a "trans" character whose whole purpose is to try and get the player to empathize with their plight is a "SJW" moment. This is because, within the context of the universe of the game, they can just use magic to actually become what they think they are, rather than lamenting the fact that they're not and wishing that others would treat them like they were.

EDIT: Also, if a character is giving a speech and it's clearly directed at the audience and not the other people in-universe

Thank you. Only reasonable post in the topic so far.
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hollow_shrine
01/18/18 12:02:00 PM
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PhlogPyro posted...
s0nicfan posted...
When the entire purpose of characters or plotlines is to espouse a progressive viewpoint, especially when the character or plot doesn't really fit within the universe created.

For example, to reference a recent video game controversy, if in your world magic exists to let anyone turn into whatever they want, then having a "trans" character whose whole purpose is to try and get the player to empathize with their plight is a "SJW" moment. This is because, within the context of the universe of the game, they can just use magic to actually become what they think they are, rather than lamenting the fact that they're not and wishing that others would treat them like they were.

EDIT: Also, if a character is giving a speech and it's clearly directed at the audience and not the other people in-universe

Thank you. Only reasonable post in the topic so far.

Is it though, because I can't think of any examples of trans-characters in fantasy settings who could physically transform themselves under their own power.
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Questionmarktarius
01/18/18 12:02:15 PM
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Have we already forgotten the "very special episode"?
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Anarchy_Juiblex
01/18/18 12:03:51 PM
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Bad writing. Sufficiently good writing can excuse almost anything.

Hamfisted agenda pushing.

Features caricatures not characters.

Unrealistic ratios of people outside the norm or unfit for the role. Stock feminist stereotypes; people in positions of power with dyed hair, fatties as athletes, etc Imagine Petraeus coming out looking like the real Slim Shady. That's how bad Admiral Tumblr was in Last Jedi.

There's an ineffable quality to it, you just know from experience.
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averagejoel
01/18/18 12:04:54 PM
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PhlogPyro posted...
s0nicfan posted...
When the entire purpose of characters or plotlines is to espouse a progressive viewpoint, especially when the character or plot doesn't really fit within the universe created.

For example, to reference a recent video game controversy, if in your world magic exists to let anyone turn into whatever they want, then having a "trans" character whose whole purpose is to try and get the player to empathize with their plight is a "SJW" moment. This is because, within the context of the universe of the game, they can just use magic to actually become what they think they are, rather than lamenting the fact that they're not and wishing that others would treat them like they were.

EDIT: Also, if a character is giving a speech and it's clearly directed at the audience and not the other people in-universe

Thank you. Only reasonable post in the topic so far.

so Daffy Duck breaking the fourth wall and saying "Little does he know that I have a disintegration-proof vest" is a SJW moment. good to know
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Anarchy_Juiblex
01/18/18 12:06:16 PM
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averagejoel posted...
so Daffy Duck breaking the fourth wall . . .


There's no way this sentence, in the context of this topic, doesn't end in a profoundly stupid way.
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KazumaKiryu
01/18/18 12:08:10 PM
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ilovu posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Purple hair

Scott pilgrim?


Scott Pilgrim could be called SJW in a lot of ways, yet is totally awesome and is my favorite movie ever. Go figure!
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joestarrr
01/18/18 12:09:06 PM
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women existing in ratios that approximate reality
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AlisLandale
01/18/18 12:13:47 PM
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The world is in peril!

Gaia, the spirit of Earth...
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Anarchy_Juiblex
01/18/18 12:16:45 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
The world is in peril!

Gaia, the spirit of Earth...


Nope.
This has real diversity instead of just putting all white folk into the same box. Part of SJWism is the massive hypocrisy, double stands, and redefinitions.
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Solar_Crimson
01/18/18 12:19:47 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
AlisLandale posted...
The world is in peril!

Gaia, the spirit of Earth...


Nope.
This has real diversity instead of just putting all white folk into the same box. Part of SJWism is the massive hypocrisy, double stands, and redefinitions.

Though if it came out today, it would still get accusations of "SJW-pandering".
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hollow_shrine
01/18/18 12:21:26 PM
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TCO3ewb

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Turbam
01/18/18 12:22:16 PM
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If you don't like it
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AlisLandale
01/18/18 12:22:59 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
AlisLandale posted...
The world is in peril!

Gaia, the spirit of Earth...


Nope.
This has real diversity instead of just putting all white folk into the same box. Part of SJWism is the massive hypocrisy, double stands, and redefinitions.


Oh come on. Don't tell me that making a blue person the leader wasn't pandering. :p

But I was more poking fun at how the entire show was basically propaganda. Though it was mostly "good" propoganda.

I hated it though as a kid. I used to pretend to be a super villain and think of ways to destroy Captain Planet lol
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Questionmarktarius
01/18/18 12:27:03 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
AlisLandale posted...
The world is in peril!

Gaia, the spirit of Earth...


Nope.
This has real diversity instead of just putting all white folk into the same box. Part of SJWism is the massive hypocrisy, double stands, and redefinitions.


Oh come on. Don't tell me that making a blue person the leader wasn't pandering. :p

But I was more poking fun at how the entire show was basically propaganda. Though it was mostly "good" propoganda.

I hated it though as a kid. I used to pretend to be a super villain and think of ways to destroy Captain Planet lol

I seem to remember that episode where some guy convinced the planeteers to ditch the rings for gauntlets as being pretty good.
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__Cam__
01/18/18 12:27:57 PM
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Resentful Manchild Answer: Anything with marginalized people (women, people of color, LGBT people, non-binary gender people, etc.) in a major role.

Sensible Answer: Anything trying to garner attention and merit solely by including marginalized people in it; often times written, produced and directed by upper-class White people who want metaphorical pats on the back for being progressive.

Logical Answer: "SJW" is too broad of a term and can't be defined without emotional nonsense from both sides of the spectrum.
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AvantgardeAClue
01/18/18 12:28:34 PM
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Thinly veiled social commentary in an otherwise unrelated work.
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Questionmarktarius
01/18/18 12:31:11 PM
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__Cam__ posted...
Resentful Manchild Answer: Anything with marginalized people (women, people of color, LGBT people, non-binary gender people, etc.) in a major role.

Reboots and remakes that shuffle races and genders around just make this far too easy.
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MorbidFaithless
01/18/18 12:35:03 PM
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__Cam__ posted...
Anything trying to garner attention and merit solely by including marginalized people in it; often times written, produced and directed by upper-class White people who want metaphorical pats on the back for being progressive.

Examples..? Like. Isn't that the point of representation in media. To... represent... people in media..? Is that supposed to be a criticism?
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DoubleDare
01/18/18 12:45:16 PM
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Dialogue that just sticks out like a sore thumb.
Like the washington monument line in Spider-Man hc.
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yusiko
01/18/18 12:47:39 PM
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gay characters
prominent none white characters
well developed female characters

any of of those things can get a show labeled SJW
and if it features all 3 then it will without a doubt be labeled SJW
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creativerealms
01/18/18 12:49:02 PM
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Nothing. It's just a complaint people use when they have no real reason to hate it.
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Muffinz0rz
01/18/18 12:49:13 PM
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DoubleDare posted...
Dialogue that just sticks out like a sore thumb.
Like the washington monument line in Spider-Man hc.

What was the line again
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AvantgardeAClue
01/18/18 1:07:57 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
The funny thing is, tv shows, movies, and games have been vehicles for the creator's viewpoints for most of their history. Even if a show has "SJW" themes and viewpoints, how is that any different from previous shows that portrayed their own desired themes and viewpoints.

"Because they did it right or subtle!" No, you just weren't bothered by their messages, that's the real reason.


There's a difference between revolving your whole story around it and simply trying to insert the message in between everything else.
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Prestoff
01/18/18 1:10:14 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
The funny thing is, tv shows, movies, and games have been vehicles for the creator's viewpoints for most of their history. Even if a show has "SJW" themes and viewpoints, how is that any different from previous shows that portrayed their own desired themes and viewpoints.

"Because they did it right or subtle!" No, you just weren't bothered by their messages, that's the real reason.


I mean just because a show is "SJW" doesn't necessarily means it's a bad show. Sense8 is pretty hardcore when it comes to their "SJW" messages (especially when it came to the Nomi plotline), but I (and apparently a lot of people) still liked it. It had an interesting premise with a very good cliffhanger from season 2 (too bad it didn't get a season 3).
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The Admiral
01/18/18 1:13:00 PM
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Using a medium to push a left-wing political or social justice agenda when the message is unrelated to the story or completely inappropriate within the mediums universe.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
01/18/18 1:15:28 PM
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SJWism is like porn, you know it when you see it. There's no perfect definition. Sure, you can define it but what constitutes it in reality can vary.
Like with machine learning, just learning simple hand drawn numbers can be difficult, easy for a human tell, easy to define, but for a machine to identify? It takes something more. More than just a couple simple traits.
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gamepimp12
01/18/18 1:27:51 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
DoubleDare posted...
Dialogue that just sticks out like a sore thumb.
Like the washington monument line in Spider-Man hc.

What was the line again

That line actually fit perfectly for her character, being saracastic rude/blunt and extremely smart not to mention black
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averagejoel
01/18/18 1:30:56 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
averagejoel posted...
so Daffy Duck breaking the fourth wall . . .


There's no way this sentence, in the context of this topic, doesn't end in a profoundly stupid way.

I was responding to a profoundly stupid example, so yes, that was intentional
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