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CookieMarvin 01/15/18 10:56:55 PM #1:	The Humiliation of Aziz Ansari Allegations against the comedian are proof that women are angry, temporarily powerfuland very, very dangerous. Was Grace frozen, terrified, stuck? No. She tells us that she wanted something from Ansari and that she was trying to figure out how to get it. She wanted affection, kindness, attention. Perhaps she hoped to maybe even become the famous mans girlfriend. He wasnt interested. What she felt afterwardrejected yet another time, by yet another manwas regret. And what she and the writer who told her story created was 3,000 words of revenge porn. The clinical detail in which the story is told is intended not to validate her account as much as it is to hurt and humiliate Ansari. Together, the two women may have destroyed Ansaris career, which is now the punishment for every kind of male sexual misconduct, from the grotesque to the disappointing. Twenty-four hours agothis is the speed at which we are now operatingAziz Ansari was a man whom many people admired and whose work, although very well paid, also performed a social good. He was the first exposure many young Americans had to a Muslim man who was aspirational, funny, immersed in the same culture that they are. Now he has beenin a professional senseassassinated, on the basis of one womans anonymous account. Many of the college-educated white women who so vocally support this movement are entirely on her side. The feminist writer and speaker Jessica Valenti tweeted, A lot of men will read that post about Aziz Ansari and see an everyday, reasonable sexual interaction. But part of what women are saying right now is that what the culture considers normal sexual encounters are not working for us, and oftentimes harmful. I thought it would take a little longer for the hit squad of privileged young white women to open fire on brown-skinned men. I had assumed that on the basis of intersectionality and all that, theyd stay laser focused on college-educated white men for another few months. But were at warp speed now, and the revolutionin many ways so good and so importantis starting to sweep up all sorts of people into its conflagration: the monstrous, the cruel, and the simply unlucky. Apparently there is a whole country full of young women who dont know how to call a cab, and who have spent a lot of time picking out pretty outfits for dates they hoped would be nights to remember. Theyre angry and temporarily powerful, and last night they destroyed a man who didnt deserve it. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/ --- http://i.imgur.com/4Llom.png <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:894137799] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>The Humiliation of Aziz Ansari Allegations against the comedian are proof that women are angry, temporarily powerfuland very, very dangerous. <quote> Was Grace frozen, terrified, stuck? No. She tells us that she wanted something from Ansari and that she was trying to figure out how to get it. She wanted affection, kindness, attention. Perhaps she hoped to maybe even become the famous mans girlfriend. He wasnt interested. What she felt afterwardrejected yet another time, by yet another manwas regret. And what she and the writer who told her story created was 3,000 words of revenge porn. The clinical detail in which the story is told is intended not to validate her account as much as it is to hurt and humiliate Ansari. Together, the two women may have destroyed Ansaris career, which is now the punishment for every kind of male sexual misconduct, from the grotesque to the disappointing. Twenty-four hours agothis is the speed at which we are now operatingAziz Ansari was a man whom many people admired and whose work, although very well paid, also performed a social good. He was the first exposure many young Americans had to a Muslim man who was aspirational, funny, immersed in the same culture that they are. Now he has beenin a professional senseassassinated, on the basis of one womans anonymous account. Many of the college-educated white women who so vocally support this movement are entirely on her side. The feminist writer and speaker Jessica Valenti tweeted, A lot of men will read that post about Aziz Ansari and see an everyday, reasonable sexual interaction. But part of what women are saying right now is that what the culture considers normal sexual encounters are not working for us, and oftentimes harmful. I thought it would take a little longer for the hit squad of privileged young white women to open fire on brown-skinned men. I had assumed that on the basis of intersectionality and all that, theyd stay laser focused on college-educated white men for another few months. But were at warp speed now, and the revolutionin many ways so good and so importantis starting to sweep up all sorts of people into its conflagration: the monstrous, the cruel, and the simply unlucky. Apparently there is a whole country full of young women who dont know how to call a cab, and who have spent a lot of time picking out pretty outfits for dates they hoped would be nights to remember. Theyre angry and temporarily powerful, and last night they destroyed a man who didnt deserve it.</quote> https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iamintents 01/15/18 10:57:28 PM #2:	the crazy left is eating itself --- http://i.imgur.com/rCECrB9.gif <cite>iamintents posted [p:894137829] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>the crazy left is eating itself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Butterfiles 01/15/18 10:57:56 PM #3:	the atlantic being the atlantic i like to imagine the author counting the words by hand --- http://www.last.fm/user/PigBun 56k warning <cite>Butterfiles posted [p:894137860] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>the atlantic being the atlantic i like to imagine the author counting the words by hand</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Second_Chances 01/15/18 10:58:48 PM #4:	never expected to read the line "3000 words of revenge porn" <cite>Second_Chances posted [p:894137929] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>never expected to read the line "3000 words of revenge porn"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HBKick18 01/15/18 11:03:21 PM #6:	I think there are better written articles that point out how problematic the babe article is while still not letting Aziz off the hook. This one is just begging for a war. --- Proud fan of the worst team in American professional sports history: the Chicago Cubs. <cite>HBKick18 posted [p:894138164] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>I think there are better written articles that point out how problematic the babe article is while still not letting Aziz off the hook. This one is just begging for a war.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 01/15/18 11:06:54 PM #7:	Based on everything i've read on this I don't fault Aziz here. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:894138356] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>Based on everything i've read on this I don't fault Aziz here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EducatedGuy 01/15/18 11:08:00 PM #8:	iamintents posted... the crazy left is eating itself <cite>EducatedGuy posted [p:894138413] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>iamintents posted...</cite> <quote>the crazy left is eating itself</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CookieMarvin 01/15/18 11:08:30 PM #9:	heres some of the beginning. I posted the last three paragraphs up there and I think I missed out on some questionable aspects of the article Sexual mores in the West have changed so rapidly over the past 100 years that by the time you reach 50, intimate accounts of commonplace sexual events of the young seem like science fiction: You understand the vocabulary and the sentence structure, but all of the events take place in outer space. Youre just too old. This was my experience reading the account of one young womans alleged sexual encounter with Aziz Ansari, published by the website Babe this weekend. The world in which it constituted an episode of sexual assault was so far from my own two experiences of near date rape (which took place, respectively, during the Carter and Reagan administrations, roughly between the kidnapping of the Iran hostages and the start of the Falklands War) that I just couldnt pick up the tune. But, like the recent New Yorker story Cat Person,about a soulless and disappointing hookup between two people who mostly knew each other through textsthe account has proved deeply resonant and meaningful to a great number of young women, who have responded in large numbers on social media, saying that it is frighteningly and infuriatingly similar to crushing experiences of their own. It is therefore worth reading and, in its way, is an important contribution to the present conversation. Heres how the story goes: A young woman, who is given the identity-protecting name Grace in the story, was excited to encounter Ansari at a party in Los Angeles, and even though he initially brushed her off, when he saw that they both had the same kind of old-fashioned camera, he paid attention to her and got her number. He texted her when they both got back to New York, asking whether she wanted to go out, and she was so excited, she spent a lot of time choosing her outfit and texting pictures of it to friends. They had a glass of wine at his apartment, and then he rushed her through dinner at an expensive restaurant and brought her back to his apartment. Within minutes of returning, she was sitting on the kitchen counter and he wasapparently consensuallyperforming oral sex on her (here the older readers eyes widen, because this was hardly the first move in the one-night stands of yesteryear), but then went on, per her account, to pressure her for sex in a variety of ways that were not honorable. Eventually, overcome by her emotions at the way the night was going, she told him, You guys are all the fucking same, and left crying. I thought it was the most significant line in the story: This has happened to her many times before. What led her to believe that this time would be different? --- http://i.imgur.com/4Llom.png <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:894138460] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>heres some of the beginning. I posted the last three paragraphs up there and I think I missed out on some questionable aspects of the article <quote>Sexual mores in the West have changed so rapidly over the past 100 years that by the time you reach 50, intimate accounts of commonplace sexual events of the young seem like science fiction: You understand the vocabulary and the sentence structure, but all of the events take place in outer space. Youre just too old. This was my experience reading the account of one young womans alleged sexual encounter with Aziz Ansari, published by the website Babe this weekend. The world in which it constituted an episode of sexual assault was so far from my own two experiences of near date rape (which took place, respectively, during the Carter and Reagan administrations, roughly between the kidnapping of the Iran hostages and the start of the Falklands War) that I just couldnt pick up the tune. But, like the recent New Yorker story Cat Person,about a soulless and disappointing hookup between two people who mostly knew each other through textsthe account has proved deeply resonant and meaningful to a great number of young women, who have responded in large numbers on social media, saying that it is frighteningly and infuriatingly similar to crushing experiences of their own. It is therefore worth reading and, in its way, is an important contribution to the present conversation. Heres how the story goes: A young woman, who is given the identity-protecting name Grace in the story, was excited to encounter Ansari at a party in Los Angeles, and even though he initially brushed her off, when he saw that they both had the same kind of old-fashioned camera, he paid attention to her and got her number. He texted her when they both got back to New York, asking whether she wanted to go out, and she was so excited, she spent a lot of time choosing her outfit and texting pictures of it to friends. They had a glass of wine at his apartment, and then he rushed her through dinner at an expensive restaurant and brought her back to his apartment. Within minutes of returning, she was sitting on the kitchen counter and he wasapparently consensuallyperforming oral sex on her (here the older readers eyes widen, because this was hardly the first move in the one-night stands of yesteryear), but then went on, per her account, to pressure her for sex in a variety of ways that were not honorable. Eventually, overcome by her emotions at the way the night was going, she told him, You guys are all the fucking same, and left crying. I thought it was the most significant line in the story: This has happened to her many times before. What led her to believe that this time would be different?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sylverlolol 01/15/18 11:13:39 PM #10:	TheVipaGTS posted... Based on everything i've read on this I don't fault Aziz here. --- This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. <cite>sylverlolol posted [p:894138816] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Based on everything i've read on this I don't fault Aziz here.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LJRENEGADE 01/15/18 11:16:10 PM #11:	I just skimmed through it, but from what I'm understanding, some girl kept chasing after Aziz and eventually they started hanging out and it ended with him giving her oral but then when he tried to get her to have sex with him, she ran away crying? And she wrote a thing to try to humiliate him? <cite>LJRENEGADE posted [p:894138958] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>I just skimmed through it, but from what I'm understanding, some girl kept chasing after Aziz and eventually they started hanging out and it ended with him giving her oral but then when he tried to get her to have sex with him, she ran away crying? And she wrote a thing to try to humiliate him?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WafflehouseJK 01/15/18 11:25:35 PM #12:	It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues. Be upfront about what you want or don't want, and a lot of people will respect that. You'll always have pieces of shit that will still try shit after that, but it seems in this case Aziz misread the signs, and while he maybe could have been less forward and probably should have pieced it together at a certain point, people still need to realize that "hints and cues" don't work. Be honest and blunt, verbally. Who gives a shit if you hurt their feelings? Make your intentions clear from the get-go, and the majority of people will understand that. --- "She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up." <cite>WafflehouseJK posted [p:894139452] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues. Be upfront about what you want or don't want, and a lot of people will respect that. You'll always have pieces of shit that will still try shit after that, but it seems in this case Aziz misread the signs, and while he maybe could have been less forward and probably should have pieced it together at a certain point, people still need to realize that "hints and cues" don't work. Be honest and blunt, verbally. Who gives a shit if you hurt their feelings? Make your intentions clear from the get-go, and the majority of people will understand that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CookieMarvin 01/15/18 11:27:02 PM #13:	LJRENEGADE posted... I just skimmed through it, but from what I'm understanding, some girl kept chasing after Aziz and eventually they started hanging out and it ended with him giving her oral but then when he tried to get her to have sex with him, she ran away crying? And she wrote a thing to try to humiliate him? I believe she reciprocated, but felt uncomfortable with the way the night turned out and left --- http://i.imgur.com/4Llom.png <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:894139533] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote>I just skimmed through it, but from what I'm understanding, some girl kept chasing after Aziz and eventually they started hanging out and it ended with him giving her oral but then when he tried to get her to have sex with him, she ran away crying? And she wrote a thing to try to humiliate him?</quote> I believe she reciprocated, but felt uncomfortable with the way the night turned out and left</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
daftpunk_mk5 01/15/18 11:27:24 PM #14:	LJRENEGADE posted... I just skimmed through it, but from what I'm understanding, some girl kept chasing after Aziz and eventually they started hanging out and it ended with him giving her oral but then when he tried to get her to have sex with him, she ran away crying? And she wrote a thing to try to humiliate him? yeah she sounds fucking psycho --- Some say that his voice can only be heard by cats, and that he has two sets of knees... all we know is, he's called the Stig. <cite>daftpunk_mk5 posted [p:894139564] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote>I just skimmed through it, but from what I'm understanding, some girl kept chasing after Aziz and eventually they started hanging out and it ended with him giving her oral but then when he tried to get her to have sex with him, she ran away crying? And she wrote a thing to try to humiliate him?</quote> yeah she sounds fucking psycho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NaNaYeeze 01/15/18 11:36:30 PM #15:	Like omg how dare a woman not want sex! Men are owed sex! /s -Gavirulax- posted... Ugh, revenge porn.....stupidity that is.... I agree with him, it's nonsense. No it's not. If a woman says no, then she means no. Why do men think if they try hard enough she'll eventually relent and fuck you? Do men not realize how creepy they are by forcing themselves like that? --- What's new boss? <cite>NaNaYeeze posted [p:894140095] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>Like omg how dare a woman not want sex! Men are owed sex! /s <cite>-Gavirulax- posted...</cite> <quote>Ugh, revenge porn.....stupidity that is.... I agree with him, it's nonsense.</quote> No it's not. If a woman says no, then she means no. Why do men think if they try hard enough she'll eventually relent and fuck you? Do men not realize how creepy they are by forcing themselves like that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CookieMarvin 01/15/18 11:39:37 PM #16:	WafflehouseJK posted... It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues. Be upfront about what you want or don't want, and a lot of people will respect that. You'll always have pieces of shit that will still try shit after that, but it seems in this case Aziz misread the signs, and while he maybe could have been less forward and probably should have pieced it together at a certain point, people still need to realize that "hints and cues" don't work. Be honest and blunt, verbally. Who gives a shit if you hurt their feelings? Make your intentions clear from the get-go, and the majority of people will understand that. Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage. --- http://i.imgur.com/4Llom.png <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:894140264] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote>It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues. Be upfront about what you want or don't want, and a lot of people will respect that. You'll always have pieces of shit that will still try shit after that, but it seems in this case Aziz misread the signs, and while he maybe could have been less forward and probably should have pieced it together at a certain point, people still need to realize that "hints and cues" don't work. Be honest and blunt, verbally. Who gives a shit if you hurt their feelings? Make your intentions clear from the get-go, and the majority of people will understand that.</quote> Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WafflehouseJK 01/15/18 11:40:36 PM #17:	NaNaYeeze posted... Like omg how dare a woman not want sex! Men are owed sex! /s -Gavirulax- posted... Ugh, revenge porn.....stupidity that is.... I agree with him, it's nonsense. No it's not. If a woman says no, then she means no. Why do men think if they try hard enough she'll eventually relent and fuck you? Do men not realize how creepy they are by forcing themselves like that? Except she didn't actually say no till very late into the encounter, and when she finally did, he did slow things down and put his clothes back on. He definitely made some mistakes here, but she absolutely should have been more vocal in her unwillingness to have sex. Throughout the piece she mentioned her "non-verbal cues" which could be literally anything. You cant expect people to read minds, you have to be vocal and say "Hey, I don't want this." He was definitely too pushy, but people also need to learn to be vocal about what they want and don't want, ESPECIALLY when it comes to sex, or else misunderstandings like this happen and fuck over everyone involved. --- "She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up." <cite>WafflehouseJK posted [p:894140327] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>NaNaYeeze posted...</cite> <quote>Like omg how dare a woman not want sex! Men are owed sex! /s <cite>-Gavirulax- posted...</cite> <quote>Ugh, revenge porn.....stupidity that is.... I agree with him, it's nonsense.</quote> No it's not. If a woman says no, then she means no. Why do men think if they try hard enough she'll eventually relent and fuck you? Do men not realize how creepy they are by forcing themselves like that?</quote> Except she didn't actually say no till very late into the encounter, and when she finally did, he did slow things down and put his clothes back on. He definitely made some mistakes here, but she absolutely should have been more vocal in her unwillingness to have sex. Throughout the piece she mentioned her "non-verbal cues" which could be literally anything. You cant expect people to read minds, you have to be vocal and say "Hey, I don't want this." He was definitely too pushy, but people also need to learn to be vocal about what they want and don't want, ESPECIALLY when it comes to sex, or else misunderstandings like this happen and fuck over everyone involved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WafflehouseJK 01/15/18 11:49:00 PM #20:	CookieMarvin posted... WafflehouseJK posted... It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues. Be upfront about what you want or don't want, and a lot of people will respect that. You'll always have pieces of shit that will still try shit after that, but it seems in this case Aziz misread the signs, and while he maybe could have been less forward and probably should have pieced it together at a certain point, people still need to realize that "hints and cues" don't work. Be honest and blunt, verbally. Who gives a shit if you hurt their feelings? Make your intentions clear from the get-go, and the majority of people will understand that. Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage. He wanted sex, and there's nothing wrong with people wanting sex. Yes, he absolutely was too pushy and misread the situation, he himself admitted that. But situations like this one in particular could have been solved with clear communication. Obviously I'm not trying to defend sexual violence, and I understand why women may be frightened given how frequent cases of sexual violence are, but I'm still a believer that clear communication is ultimately the best way to proceed with sexual encounters. I know I always ask the people I'm with if they're comfortable with whatever act I'm performing and tell them straight up if anything I/we do makes them uncomfortable, they need to tell me, cause I know that in the moment with hormones ablaze, it can be very easy to miss "clues", when a simple "No, I don't like that, stop." would have solved the issue and would cause me to stop immediately. --- "She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up." <cite>WafflehouseJK posted [p:894140729] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote>It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues. Be upfront about what you want or don't want, and a lot of people will respect that. You'll always have pieces of shit that will still try shit after that, but it seems in this case Aziz misread the signs, and while he maybe could have been less forward and probably should have pieced it together at a certain point, people still need to realize that "hints and cues" don't work. Be honest and blunt, verbally. Who gives a shit if you hurt their feelings? Make your intentions clear from the get-go, and the majority of people will understand that.</quote> Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage.</quote> He wanted sex, and there's nothing wrong with people wanting sex. Yes, he absolutely was too pushy and misread the situation, he himself admitted that. But situations like this one in particular could have been solved with clear communication. Obviously I'm not trying to defend sexual violence, and I understand why women may be frightened given how frequent cases of sexual violence are, but I'm still a believer that clear communication is ultimately the best way to proceed with sexual encounters. I know I always ask the people I'm with if they're comfortable with whatever act I'm performing and tell them straight up if anything I/we do makes them uncomfortable, they need to tell me, cause I know that in the moment with hormones ablaze, it can be very easy to miss "clues", when a simple "No, I don't like that, stop." would have solved the issue and would cause me to stop immediately.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ultima Dragon 01/15/18 11:49:54 PM #21:	CookieMarvin posted... Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage. This logic seems fucking stupid to me because it's women assuming that all men are going to turn into straight up violent rapists (or possibly worse) if they don't just give him what he wants. When in reality, the vast, vast majority will back right off and let the woman go if she makes it clear that she is not interested in going any further and wants to leave. Why would you just allow it to happen to you? Even if I thought I could be beaten or even killed, I'd still fight tooth and nail to protect my dignity. As a guy, assuming you aren't being held by knife or gunpoint.. if you catch someone breaking into your property, vehicle, or even trying to take your bag or wallet, would you just stand there and watch it happen or would you chase them off/get out of that situation? I know it's not really comparable, but the "if I'm being victimized I'll just let it happen to minimize the possibility of being further victimized" is a really fucking stupid mentality to have. I don't understand the point of even having anything if you don't feel it's worth guarding/protecting. --- "It's Canada, their idea of rioting is a half-muttered swear word." - deathbeforelife <cite>Ultima Dragon posted [p:894140764] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote>Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage.</quote> This logic seems fucking stupid to me because it's women assuming that all men are going to turn into straight up violent rapists (or possibly worse) if they don't just give him what he wants. When in reality, the vast, vast majority will back right off and let the woman go if she makes it clear that she is not interested in going any further and wants to leave. Why would you just allow it to happen to you? Even if I thought I could be beaten or even killed, I'd still fight tooth and nail to protect my dignity. As a guy, assuming you aren't being held by knife or gunpoint.. if you catch someone breaking into your property, vehicle, or even trying to take your bag or wallet, would you just stand there and watch it happen or would you chase them off/get out of that situation? I know it's not really comparable, but the "if I'm being victimized I'll just let it happen to minimize the possibility of being further victimized" is a really fucking stupid mentality to have. I don't understand the point of even having anything if you don't feel it's worth guarding/protecting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WafflehouseJK 01/15/18 11:52:24 PM #23:	leverageblargh posted... WafflehouseJK posted... It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." She did. Very clearly. His response was to fake relent and after both of them got dressed, he again tried to shove his fingers down her throat and get her to undress. He definitely went too far there, for sure, and that's the part of the article where Aziz definitely fucked up, absolutely. But the majority of the rest of the experience seems like she expected him to follow these vague clues, and when she did say no, he did back up, even if he did make a pretty big mistake after that point. It's a tough situation to read, but we also cant pretend like it's impossible to miss "non-verbal cues", cause it happens all the time in just day to day social life, let alone things like sex. It's why good communication is so important. --- "She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up." <cite>WafflehouseJK posted [p:894140877] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>leverageblargh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote>It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." </quote> She did. Very clearly. His response was to fake relent and after both of them got dressed, he again tried to shove his fingers down her throat and get her to undress.</quote> He definitely went too far there, for sure, and that's the part of the article where Aziz definitely fucked up, absolutely. But the majority of the rest of the experience seems like she expected him to follow these vague clues, and when she did say no, he did back up, even if he did make a pretty big mistake after that point. It's a tough situation to read, but we also cant pretend like it's impossible to miss "non-verbal cues", cause it happens all the time in just day to day social life, let alone things like sex. It's why good communication is so important.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 01/15/18 11:54:20 PM #24:	WafflehouseJK posted... A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues. That's the issue. Hell, just going by this board alone, many of us have actually had girls attracted to us but because we suck, we didn't pick up on it at the time. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:894140963] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues.</quote> That's the issue. Hell, just going by this board alone, many of us have actually had girls attracted to us but because we suck, we didn't pick up on it at the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CookieMarvin 01/15/18 11:54:38 PM #25:	Ultima Dragon posted... CookieMarvin posted... Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage. This logic seems fucking stupid to me because it's women assuming that all men are going to turn into straight up violent rapists (or possibly worse) if they don't just give him what he wants. When in reality, the vast, vast majority will back right off and let the woman go if she makes it clear that she is not interested in going any further and wants to leave. Why would you just allow it to happen to you? Even if I thought I could be beaten or even killed, I'd still fight tooth and nail to protect my dignity. As a guy, assuming you aren't being held by knife or gunpoint.. if you catch someone breaking into your property, vehicle, or even trying to take your bag or wallet, would you just stand there and watch it happen or would you chase them off/get out of that situation? I know it's not really comparable, but the "if I'm being victimized I'll just let it happen to minimize the possibility of being further victimized" is a really fucking stupid mentality to have. I don't understand the point of even having anything if you don't feel it's worth guarding/protecting. Isnt the stat like, one in every six women has been victim of attempted or completed rape at some point in their lives? I know it seems silly to suggest that all men could be rapists, but the threat is virtually always there. --- http://i.imgur.com/4Llom.png <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:894140976] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote>Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage.</quote> This logic seems fucking stupid to me because it's women assuming that all men are going to turn into straight up violent rapists (or possibly worse) if they don't just give him what he wants. When in reality, the vast, vast majority will back right off and let the woman go if she makes it clear that she is not interested in going any further and wants to leave. Why would you just allow it to happen to you? Even if I thought I could be beaten or even killed, I'd still fight tooth and nail to protect my dignity. As a guy, assuming you aren't being held by knife or gunpoint.. if you catch someone breaking into your property, vehicle, or even trying to take your bag or wallet, would you just stand there and watch it happen or would you chase them off/get out of that situation? I know it's not really comparable, but the "if I'm being victimized I'll just let it happen to minimize the possibility of being further victimized" is a really fucking stupid mentality to have. I don't understand the point of even having anything if you don't feel it's worth guarding/protecting.</quote> Isnt the stat like, one in every six women has been victim of attempted or completed rape at some point in their lives? I know it seems silly to suggest that all men could be rapists, but the threat is virtually always there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 01/15/18 11:57:03 PM #26:	iamintents posted... the crazy left is eating itself So when all liberals agree on something people on the right say.. oh look at the hive mind. When Liberals don't .. oh look at them eating themselves. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:894141088] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>iamintents posted...</cite> <quote>the crazy left is eating itself</quote> So when all liberals agree on something people on the right say.. oh look at the hive mind. When Liberals don't .. oh look at them eating themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WafflehouseJK 01/15/18 11:58:49 PM #28:	Ultima Dragon posted... CookieMarvin posted... Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage. This logic seems fucking stupid to me because it's women assuming that all men are going to turn into straight up violent rapists (or possibly worse) if they don't just give him what he wants. When in reality, the vast, vast majority will back right off and let the woman go if she makes it clear that she is not interested in going any further and wants to leave. Why would you just allow it to happen to you? Even if I thought I could be beaten or even killed, I'd still fight tooth and nail to protect my dignity. As a guy, assuming you aren't being held by knife or gunpoint.. if you catch someone breaking into your property, vehicle, or even trying to take your bag or wallet, would you just stand there and watch it happen or would you chase them off/get out of that situation? I know it's not really comparable, but the "if I'm being victimized I'll just let it happen to minimize the possibility of being further victimized" is a really fucking stupid mentality to have. I don't understand the point of even having anything if you don't feel it's worth guarding/protecting. It's absolutely understandable why many women would be afraid. Sexual assaults happen all the fucking time, and I know almost all of my female friends are terrified to walk home alone and I often walk them to where they need to go cause I get that fear, and they feel safer walking with another person because of that. But in a casual sexual encounter, communication is EXTREMELY important, else the other person simply wont know how far is too far. If you haven't established the meaning behind the vague usage of "non-verbal cues", you cant expect them to necessarily understand what those cues are/mean. being upfront with what you're comfortable with and telling them "Hey, don't do that, I don't want that to happen" is crucial to both people fully enjoying themselves and feeling comfortable and safe during sex. --- "She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up." <cite>WafflehouseJK posted [p:894141171] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote>Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage.</quote> This logic seems fucking stupid to me because it's women assuming that all men are going to turn into straight up violent rapists (or possibly worse) if they don't just give him what he wants. When in reality, the vast, vast majority will back right off and let the woman go if she makes it clear that she is not interested in going any further and wants to leave. Why would you just allow it to happen to you? Even if I thought I could be beaten or even killed, I'd still fight tooth and nail to protect my dignity. As a guy, assuming you aren't being held by knife or gunpoint.. if you catch someone breaking into your property, vehicle, or even trying to take your bag or wallet, would you just stand there and watch it happen or would you chase them off/get out of that situation? I know it's not really comparable, but the "if I'm being victimized I'll just let it happen to minimize the possibility of being further victimized" is a really fucking stupid mentality to have. I don't understand the point of even having anything if you don't feel it's worth guarding/protecting.</quote> It's absolutely understandable why many women would be afraid. Sexual assaults happen all the fucking time, and I know almost all of my female friends are terrified to walk home alone and I often walk them to where they need to go cause I get that fear, and they feel safer walking with another person because of that. But in a casual sexual encounter, communication is EXTREMELY important, else the other person simply wont know how far is too far. If you haven't established the meaning behind the vague usage of "non-verbal cues", you cant expect them to necessarily understand what those cues are/mean. being upfront with what you're comfortable with and telling them "Hey, don't do that, I don't want that to happen" is crucial to both people fully enjoying themselves and feeling comfortable and safe during sex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 01/16/18 12:00:09 AM #29:	CookieMarvin posted... Isnt the stat like, one in every six women has been victim of attempted or completed rape at some point in their lives? I know it seems silly to suggest that all men could be rapists, but the threat is virtually always there That statistic is completely made up from a flawed self reported survey <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:894141234] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote>Isnt the stat like, one in every six women has been victim of attempted or completed rape at some point in their lives? I know it seems silly to suggest that all men could be rapists, but the threat is virtually always there</quote> That statistic is completely made up from a flawed self reported survey</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 01/16/18 12:00:14 AM #30:	leverageblargh posted... If a woman told you she didn't want to f* you and wanted to wait for the second date, would your response be to try and get her drunk so she would relent? If a woman told you she was feeling forced and didn't want you to do something that would make her hate you, would your response be to fake placate her and then tell her to blow you? You should actually read: WafflehouseJK posted... leverageblargh posted... WafflehouseJK posted... It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." She did. Very clearly. His response was to fake relent and after both of them got dressed, he again tried to shove his fingers down her throat and get her to undress. He definitely went too far there, for sure, and that's the part of the article where Aziz definitely fucked up, absolutely. But the majority of the rest of the experience seems like she expected him to follow these vague clues, and when she did say no, he did back up, even if he did make a pretty big mistake after that point. It's a tough situation to read, but we also cant pretend like it's impossible to miss "non-verbal cues", cause it happens all the time in just day to day social life, let alone things like sex. It's why good communication is so important. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:894141238] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>leverageblargh posted...</cite> <quote> If a woman told you she didn't want to f* you and wanted to wait for the second date, would your response be to try and get her drunk so she would relent? If a woman told you she was feeling forced and didn't want you to do something that would make her hate you, would your response be to fake placate her and then tell her to blow you? </quote> You should actually read: <cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>leverageblargh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote>It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." </quote> She did. Very clearly. His response was to fake relent and after both of them got dressed, he again tried to shove his fingers down her throat and get her to undress.</quote> He definitely went too far there, for sure, and that's the part of the article where Aziz definitely fucked up, absolutely. But the majority of the rest of the experience seems like she expected him to follow these vague clues, and when she did say no, he did back up, even if he did make a pretty big mistake after that point. It's a tough situation to read, but we also cant pretend like it's impossible to miss "non-verbal cues", cause it happens all the time in just day to day social life, let alone things like sex. It's why good communication is so important.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CookieMarvin 01/16/18 12:01:17 AM #31:	WafflehouseJK posted... CookieMarvin posted... WafflehouseJK posted... It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues. Be upfront about what you want or don't want, and a lot of people will respect that. You'll always have pieces of shit that will still try shit after that, but it seems in this case Aziz misread the signs, and while he maybe could have been less forward and probably should have pieced it together at a certain point, people still need to realize that "hints and cues" don't work. Be honest and blunt, verbally. Who gives a shit if you hurt their feelings? Make your intentions clear from the get-go, and the majority of people will understand that. Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage. He wanted sex, and there's nothing wrong with people wanting sex. Yes, he absolutely was too pushy and misread the situation, he himself admitted that. But situations like this one in particular could have been solved with clear communication. Obviously I'm not trying to defend sexual violence, and I understand why women may be frightened given how frequent cases of sexual violence are, but I'm still a believer that clear communication is ultimately the best way to proceed with sexual encounters. I know I always ask the people I'm with if they're comfortable with whatever act I'm performing and tell them straight up if anything I/we do makes them uncomfortable, they need to tell me, cause I know that in the moment with hormones ablaze, it can be very easy to miss "clues", when a simple "No, I don't like that, stop." would have solved the issue and would cause me to stop immediately. a lot of azizs comedy revolves around the nuances of modern dating. doesnt the brand hes built for himself kind of suggest the idea that he would be more sensitive to less-explicit forms of communication? Is it unfair to expect more from him than from waffle? (no offense!!!) --- http://i.imgur.com/4Llom.png <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:894141285] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote>It kept mentioning "non-verbal cues", but like, at a certain point you need to just flat out say "No, I'm not doing this." A lot of people suck at reading hints and cues. Be upfront about what you want or don't want, and a lot of people will respect that. You'll always have pieces of shit that will still try shit after that, but it seems in this case Aziz misread the signs, and while he maybe could have been less forward and probably should have pieced it together at a certain point, people still need to realize that "hints and cues" don't work. Be honest and blunt, verbally. Who gives a shit if you hurt their feelings? Make your intentions clear from the get-go, and the majority of people will understand that.</quote> Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage.</quote> He wanted sex, and there's nothing wrong with people wanting sex. Yes, he absolutely was too pushy and misread the situation, he himself admitted that. But situations like this one in particular could have been solved with clear communication. Obviously I'm not trying to defend sexual violence, and I understand why women may be frightened given how frequent cases of sexual violence are, but I'm still a believer that clear communication is ultimately the best way to proceed with sexual encounters. I know I always ask the people I'm with if they're comfortable with whatever act I'm performing and tell them straight up if anything I/we do makes them uncomfortable, they need to tell me, cause I know that in the moment with hormones ablaze, it can be very easy to miss "clues", when a simple "No, I don't like that, stop." would have solved the issue and would cause me to stop immediately.</quote> a lot of azizs comedy revolves around the nuances of modern dating. doesnt the brand hes built for himself kind of suggest the idea that he would be more sensitive to less-explicit forms of communication? Is it unfair to expect more from him than from waffle? (no offense!!!)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CookieMarvin 01/16/18 12:04:20 AM #32:	clearaflagrantj posted... CookieMarvin posted... Isnt the stat like, one in every six women has been victim of attempted or completed rape at some point in their lives? I know it seems silly to suggest that all men could be rapists, but the threat is virtually always there That statistic is completely made up from a flawed self reported survey I wasnt aware of that. but even if the stat is fake, the fear it creates is not, no? --- http://i.imgur.com/4Llom.png <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:894141425] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote>Isnt the stat like, one in every six women has been victim of attempted or completed rape at some point in their lives? I know it seems silly to suggest that all men could be rapists, but the threat is virtually always there</quote> That statistic is completely made up from a flawed self reported survey</quote> I wasnt aware of that. but even if the stat is fake, the fear it creates is not, no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WafflehouseJK 01/16/18 12:07:38 AM #33:	leverageblargh posted... If a woman told you she didn't want to fuck you and wanted to wait for the second date, would your response be to try and get her drunk so she would relent? If a woman told you she was feeling forced and didn't want you to do something that would make her hate you, would your response be to fake placate her and then tell her to blow you? If you were continuing to make a move by kissing her after being told no twice and she said "all you guys are the fucking same" would you use your head and stop and ask her why she was saying something like that or would you continue to try and kiss her? I'll go through these one at a time. If a woman told you she didn't want to fuck you and wanted to wait for the second date, would your response be to try and get her drunk so she would relent? "Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date? He then poured her a glass and handed it to her." I took that as more of a lame attempt at being smooth/humorous. One glass of wine isn't gonna get most people drunk, and even if the line was in poor taste, I think that that assumption that he was trying to get her drunk and fuck her isn't accurate there. Could have easily been solved with a "No, it wouldn't." If a woman told you she was feeling forced and didn't want you to do something that would make her hate you, would your response be to fake placate her and then tell her to blow you? As I said before, this is where he really fucked up. He started out correctly with backing off and getting dressed, but after that point trying to rekindle things was a bad idea, and he definitely shouldn't have done that, I agree with you fully there. If you were continuing to make a move by kissing her after being told no twice and she said "all you guys are the fucking same" would you use your head and stop and ask her why she was saying something like that or would you continue to try and kiss her? I'm honestly a little confused by her account here. She says he asked, but then forcefully kissed her immediately after. I have some theories as to what may have happened to fill in the gap there, but none of us have any actual idea of knowing cause we weren't there, it was just the two of them. --- "She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up." <cite>WafflehouseJK posted [p:894141569] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>leverageblargh posted...</cite> <quote> If a woman told you she didn't want to fuck you and wanted to wait for the second date, would your response be to try and get her drunk so she would relent? If a woman told you she was feeling forced and didn't want you to do something that would make her hate you, would your response be to fake placate her and then tell her to blow you? If you were continuing to make a move by kissing her after being told no twice and she said "all you guys are the fucking same" would you use your head and stop and ask her why she was saying something like that or would you continue to try and kiss her?</quote> I'll go through these one at a time. If a woman told you she didn't want to fuck you and wanted to wait for the second date, would your response be to try and get her drunk so she would relent? "Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date? He then poured her a glass and handed it to her." I took that as more of a lame attempt at being smooth/humorous. One glass of wine isn't gonna get most people drunk, and even if the line was in poor taste, I think that that assumption that he was trying to get her drunk and fuck her isn't accurate there. Could have easily been solved with a "No, it wouldn't." If a woman told you she was feeling forced and didn't want you to do something that would make her hate you, would your response be to fake placate her and then tell her to blow you? As I said before, this is where he really fucked up. He started out correctly with backing off and getting dressed, but after that point trying to rekindle things was a bad idea, and he definitely shouldn't have done that, I agree with you fully there. If you were continuing to make a move by kissing her after being told no twice and she said "all you guys are the fucking same" would you use your head and stop and ask her why she was saying something like that or would you continue to try and kiss her? I'm honestly a little confused by her account here. She says he asked, but then forcefully kissed her immediately after. I have some theories as to what may have happened to fill in the gap there, but none of us have any actual idea of knowing cause we weren't there, it was just the two of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 01/16/18 12:12:21 AM #34:	"It's okay so long as only white men are professionally ruined!" All the same, fuck these people. Let them eat themselves and their own in the process. --- http://i.imgur.com/DKNJbBm.jpg What a terrifying thing to happen. I'm not sure why but I have this big fear of going blond - Zurkon <cite>EverDownward posted [p:894141788] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>"It's okay so long as only white men are professionally ruined!" All the same, fuck these people. Let them eat themselves and their own in the process.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
twitterfriends 01/16/18 12:14:06 AM #35:	Yeah I bet Aziz 100x a better person than that girl is. --- #NotMyPresident #JusticeDemocrats #Neblio #WolfPAC #Bitcoin #WeAre12 #12thMan #Seahawks #Belieber #DENT #UBI #PokemonGo #twitterfriends #MMA #PopularHashtags <cite>twitterfriends posted [p:894141877] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I bet Aziz 100x a better person than that girl is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 01/16/18 12:14:12 AM #36:	Can I get a word count of how many words of victim blaming that article is? --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:894141881] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>Can I get a word count of how many words of victim blaming that article is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 01/16/18 12:14:37 AM #37:	Another issue is that there's two sides to every story, and were going 100% by her account of the night, and it still really doesn't seem like Aziz did anything worth going to the press over. I mean even if he was just as "pushy" as she's making him out to be, since when is "pushy" worth blabbing to the media about? Especially when you quite obviously entered into multiple consensual sex acts with him. This wasn't a boss/employee or studio head/actress or even whatever you'd call the Louis CK power dynamic, this was a romantic date between two consenting adults that ended up in a bedroom. There was no power that Aziz was leveraging to get this woman to do something she didn't want to do, she was never forced into anything, she could have left at any minute, she could have just stopped any of the sexual acts at any minute, if she was really feeling that uncomfortable and somehow felt pressured into fooling around with him, she had multiple opportunities to leave but chose to stay and perform more sexual acts on Aziz. What its coming down to is that men are not going to feel they have the right to initiate sex whatsoever anymore. That's obviously a sign that something is fucked up. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:894141899] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>Another issue is that there's two sides to every story, and were going 100% by her account of the night, and it still really doesn't seem like Aziz did anything worth going to the press over. I mean even if he was just as "pushy" as she's making him out to be, since when is "pushy" worth blabbing to the media about? Especially when you quite obviously entered into multiple consensual sex acts with him. This wasn't a boss/employee or studio head/actress or even whatever you'd call the Louis CK power dynamic, this was a romantic date between two consenting adults that ended up in a bedroom. There was no power that Aziz was leveraging to get this woman to do something she didn't want to do, she was never forced into anything, she could have left at any minute, she could have just stopped any of the sexual acts at any minute, if she was really feeling that uncomfortable and somehow felt pressured into fooling around with him, she had multiple opportunities to leave but chose to stay and perform more sexual acts on Aziz. What its coming down to is that men are not going to feel they have the right to initiate sex whatsoever anymore. That's obviously a sign that something is fucked up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 01/16/18 12:16:11 AM #38:	the thing is...this woman isn't even a "liar"...she full recounted the events seemingly as they happened....she isn't lying about what went down. her interpretation of them is the issue. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:894141977] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>the thing is...this woman isn't even a "liar"...she full recounted the events seemingly as they happened....she isn't lying about what went down. her interpretation of them is the issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
D-Lo_BrownTown 01/16/18 12:16:39 AM #39:	Regret isn't rape. Aziz was too pushy, she wasn't pushy enough. Everyone in this scenario is at fault. This whole thing didn't warrant becoming a public spectale. #metoo is becoming a fucking joke because of shit like this, just like I said it would back in October when you all called me a monster. --- https://i.imgtc.com/lYWecjF.jpg <cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted [p:894141996] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>Regret isn't rape. Aziz was too pushy, she wasn't pushy enough. Everyone in this scenario is at fault. This whole thing didn't warrant becoming a public spectale. #metoo is becoming a fucking joke because of shit like this, just like I said it would back in October when you all called me a monster.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 01/16/18 12:17:26 AM #40:	WafflehouseJK posted... If a woman told you she didn't want to fuck you and wanted to wait for the second date, would your response be to try and get her drunk so she would relent? "Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date? He then poured her a glass and handed it to her." I took that as more of a lame attempt at being smooth/humorous. One glass of wine isn't gonna get most people drunk, and even if the line was in poor taste, I think that that assumption that he was trying to get her drunk and fuck her isn't accurate there. Could have easily been solved with a "No, it wouldn't." I can actually hear him say it in his funny Aziz voice. WafflehouseJK posted... If a woman told you she was feeling forced and didn't want you to do something that would make her hate you, would your response be to fake placate her and then tell her to blow you? As I said before, this is where he really fucked up. He started out correctly with backing off and getting dressed, but after that point trying to rekindle things was a bad idea, and he definitely shouldn't have done that, I agree with you fully there. If you were continuing to make a move by kissing her after being told no twice and she said "all you guys are the fucking same" would you use your head and stop and ask her why she was saying something like that or would you continue to try and kiss her? I'm honestly a little confused by her account here. She says he asked, but then forcefully kissed her immediately after. I have some theories as to what may have happened to fill in the gap there, but none of us have any actual idea of knowing cause we weren't there, it was just the two of them. these are her accounts of what happened, and they really don't make any sense from either side. This is why this shouldn't have been released to the public, it should have been relegated to a private conversation between these two. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:894142029] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote>If a woman told you she didn't want to fuck you and wanted to wait for the second date, would your response be to try and get her drunk so she would relent? "Well, if I poured you another glass of wine now, would it count as our second date? He then poured her a glass and handed it to her." I took that as more of a lame attempt at being smooth/humorous. One glass of wine isn't gonna get most people drunk, and even if the line was in poor taste, I think that that assumption that he was trying to get her drunk and fuck her isn't accurate there. Could have easily been solved with a "No, it wouldn't."</quote> I can actually hear him say it in his funny Aziz voice. <cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote>If a woman told you she was feeling forced and didn't want you to do something that would make her hate you, would your response be to fake placate her and then tell her to blow you? As I said before, this is where he really fucked up. He started out correctly with backing off and getting dressed, but after that point trying to rekindle things was a bad idea, and he definitely shouldn't have done that, I agree with you fully there. If you were continuing to make a move by kissing her after being told no twice and she said "all you guys are the fucking same" would you use your head and stop and ask her why she was saying something like that or would you continue to try and kiss her? I'm honestly a little confused by her account here. She says he asked, but then forcefully kissed her immediately after. I have some theories as to what may have happened to fill in the gap there, but none of us have any actual idea of knowing cause we weren't there, it was just the two of them.</quote> these are her accounts of what happened, and they really don't make any sense from either side. This is why this shouldn't have been released to the public, it should have been relegated to a private conversation between these two.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 01/16/18 12:17:59 AM #41:	Is there an #ImWithAziz hashtag? --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:894142051] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>Is there an #ImWithAziz hashtag?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 01/16/18 12:18:22 AM #42:	The23rdMagus posted... Can I get a word count of how many words of victim blaming that article is? Victim blaming, my ass. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:894142070] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>Can I get a word count of how many words of victim blaming that article is?</quote> Victim blaming, my ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WafflehouseJK 01/16/18 12:18:36 AM #43:	CookieMarvin posted... a lot of azizs comedy revolves around the nuances of modern dating. doesnt the brand hes built for himself kind of suggest the idea that he would be more sensitive to less-explicit forms of communication? Is it unfair to expect more from him than from waffle? (no offense!!!) The thing is though, "less-explicit forms of communication" is incredibly vague. He's still a human being, and it's still very easy to misinterpret things like body language and non-verbal cues, because the fact of the matter is, those vary from person to person. The only clear way is to verbally communicate your unease and what you want or don't want. And no, Aziz and myself should both be held to the same standard, just as everyone should be held to the same standard. We're both men who want sex, and we should both be respectful and wary of when the other person is uncomfortable and wants to stop, but we also cant be expected to read minds. I've often been told by girls I'm TOO wary, because they'll say they wanted me to kiss them at a certain point but I chose not to because while I figured they wanted me to, I was extremely concerned with misreading the sign and going for the move when they didn't actually want me to. I honestly think that's not a terrible mindset to have, you should never want to make the other person uncomfortable, but also, if you wait too long to make a move, the spark could fade away and they'll completely lose interest. When you're dealing with non-verbal cues, it's a gamble, which is why I don't like dealing with them, I'd much rather the other person tell me exactly what they want from the situation.That's the clearest, simplest, and safest way for both parties. --- "She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up." <cite>WafflehouseJK posted [p:894142076] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote> a lot of azizs comedy revolves around the nuances of modern dating. doesnt the brand hes built for himself kind of suggest the idea that he would be more sensitive to less-explicit forms of communication? Is it unfair to expect more from him than from waffle? (no offense!!!)</quote> The thing is though, "less-explicit forms of communication" is incredibly vague. He's still a human being, and it's still very easy to misinterpret things like body language and non-verbal cues, because the fact of the matter is, those vary from person to person. The only clear way is to verbally communicate your unease and what you want or don't want. And no, Aziz and myself should both be held to the same standard, just as everyone should be held to the same standard. We're both men who want sex, and we should both be respectful and wary of when the other person is uncomfortable and wants to stop, but we also cant be expected to read minds. I've often been told by girls I'm TOO wary, because they'll say they wanted me to kiss them at a certain point but I chose not to because while I figured they wanted me to, I was extremely concerned with misreading the sign and going for the move when they didn't actually want me to. I honestly think that's not a terrible mindset to have, you should never want to make the other person uncomfortable, but also, if you wait too long to make a move, the spark could fade away and they'll completely lose interest. When you're dealing with non-verbal cues, it's a gamble, which is why I don't like dealing with them, I'd much rather the other person tell me exactly what they want from the situation.That's the clearest, simplest, and safest way for both parties.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 01/16/18 12:21:15 AM #45:	D-Lo_BrownTown posted... Aziz was too pushy, she wasn't pushy enough. Everyone in this scenario is at fault. completely agree right here...I wouldn't "fault" either though...neither deserve "blame". --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:894142199] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>D-Lo_BrownTown posted...</cite> <quote>Aziz was too pushy, she wasn't pushy enough. Everyone in this scenario is at fault.</quote> completely agree right here...I wouldn't "fault" either though...neither deserve "blame".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 01/16/18 12:26:23 AM #46:	CookieMarvin posted... Ultima Dragon posted... CookieMarvin posted... Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage. This logic seems fucking stupid to me because it's women assuming that all men are going to turn into straight up violent rapists (or possibly worse) if they don't just give him what he wants. When in reality, the vast, vast majority will back right off and let the woman go if she makes it clear that she is not interested in going any further and wants to leave. Why would you just allow it to happen to you? Even if I thought I could be beaten or even killed, I'd still fight tooth and nail to protect my dignity. As a guy, assuming you aren't being held by knife or gunpoint.. if you catch someone breaking into your property, vehicle, or even trying to take your bag or wallet, would you just stand there and watch it happen or would you chase them off/get out of that situation? I know it's not really comparable, but the "if I'm being victimized I'll just let it happen to minimize the possibility of being further victimized" is a really fucking stupid mentality to have. I don't understand the point of even having anything if you don't feel it's worth guarding/protecting. Isnt the stat like, one in every six women has been victim of attempted or completed rape at some point in their lives? I know it seems silly to suggest that all men could be rapists, but the threat is virtually always there. That is nowhere near the statistic - a statistic that calls a drunken kiss literal rape. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:894142435] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ultima Dragon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote>Ive seen some folks say that women avoid flat-out saying no to try and lower the chances of sexual violence. On a first meeting in which things are moving significantly faster than she expected, aziz was constantly testing her boundaries. He was persistent in toeing the line as she was trying to steer him away, and since she didnt know him well enough to feel entirely confident that he wouldn't lash out if she full-on rejected him, she conceded to try and minimize damage.</quote> This logic seems fucking stupid to me because it's women assuming that all men are going to turn into straight up violent rapists (or possibly worse) if they don't just give him what he wants. When in reality, the vast, vast majority will back right off and let the woman go if she makes it clear that she is not interested in going any further and wants to leave. Why would you just allow it to happen to you? Even if I thought I could be beaten or even killed, I'd still fight tooth and nail to protect my dignity. As a guy, assuming you aren't being held by knife or gunpoint.. if you catch someone breaking into your property, vehicle, or even trying to take your bag or wallet, would you just stand there and watch it happen or would you chase them off/get out of that situation? I know it's not really comparable, but the "if I'm being victimized I'll just let it happen to minimize the possibility of being further victimized" is a really fucking stupid mentality to have. I don't understand the point of even having anything if you don't feel it's worth guarding/protecting.</quote> Isnt the stat like, one in every six women has been victim of attempted or completed rape at some point in their lives? I know it seems silly to suggest that all men could be rapists, but the threat is virtually always there.</quote> That is nowhere near the statistic - a statistic that calls a drunken kiss literal rape.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 01/16/18 12:28:32 AM #47:	iamintents posted... the crazy left is eating itself Not fast enough though. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:894142526] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>iamintents posted...</cite> <quote>the crazy left is eating itself</quote> Not fast enough though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CookieMarvin 01/16/18 12:30:10 AM #48:	WafflehouseJK posted... CookieMarvin posted... a lot of azizs comedy revolves around the nuances of modern dating. doesnt the brand hes built for himself kind of suggest the idea that he would be more sensitive to less-explicit forms of communication? Is it unfair to expect more from him than from waffle? (no offense!!!) The thing is though, "less-explicit forms of communication" is incredibly vague. He's still a human being, and it's still very easy to misinterpret things like body language and non-verbal cues, because the fact of the matter is, those vary from person to person. The only clear way is to verbally communicate your unease and what you want or don't want. And no, Aziz and myself should both be held to the same standard, just as everyone should be held to the same standard. We're both men who want sex, and we should both be respectful and wary of when the other person is uncomfortable and wants to stop, but we also cant be expected to read minds. I've often been told by girls I'm TOO wary, because they'll say they wanted me to kiss them at a certain point but I chose not to because while I figured they wanted me to, I was extremely concerned with misreading the sign and going for the move when they didn't actually want me to. I honestly think that's not a terrible mindset to have, you should never want to make the other person uncomfortable, but also, if you wait too long to make a move, the spark could fade away and they'll completely lose interest. When you're dealing with non-verbal cues, it's a gamble, which is why I don't like dealing with them, I'd much rather the other person tell me exactly what they want from the situation.That's the clearest, simplest, and safest way for both parties. less-explicit may be vague wording, but I think it was a little more concrete in her actions. what about her use of verbal cues with delaying language? she said things like not now in hopes that hed back off. that seems like a lighter, but pretty firm shut down, yet he persisted nonetheless. thats pretty headass --- http://i.imgur.com/4Llom.png <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:894142589] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote> a lot of azizs comedy revolves around the nuances of modern dating. doesnt the brand hes built for himself kind of suggest the idea that he would be more sensitive to less-explicit forms of communication? Is it unfair to expect more from him than from waffle? (no offense!!!)</quote> The thing is though, "less-explicit forms of communication" is incredibly vague. He's still a human being, and it's still very easy to misinterpret things like body language and non-verbal cues, because the fact of the matter is, those vary from person to person. The only clear way is to verbally communicate your unease and what you want or don't want. And no, Aziz and myself should both be held to the same standard, just as everyone should be held to the same standard. We're both men who want sex, and we should both be respectful and wary of when the other person is uncomfortable and wants to stop, but we also cant be expected to read minds. I've often been told by girls I'm TOO wary, because they'll say they wanted me to kiss them at a certain point but I chose not to because while I figured they wanted me to, I was extremely concerned with misreading the sign and going for the move when they didn't actually want me to. I honestly think that's not a terrible mindset to have, you should never want to make the other person uncomfortable, but also, if you wait too long to make a move, the spark could fade away and they'll completely lose interest. When you're dealing with non-verbal cues, it's a gamble, which is why I don't like dealing with them, I'd much rather the other person tell me exactly what they want from the situation.That's the clearest, simplest, and safest way for both parties.</quote> less-explicit may be vague wording, but I think it was a little more concrete in her actions. what about her use of verbal cues with delaying language? she said things like not now in hopes that hed back off. that seems like a lighter, but pretty firm shut down, yet he persisted nonetheless. thats pretty headass</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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armandro 01/16/18 12:32:33 AM #50:	his show is lame too idk how that won an award --- http://i.imgur.com/sKghEcP.gif 8 October, 2023 <cite>armandro posted [p:894142667] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote>his show is lame too idk how that won an award</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WafflehouseJK 01/16/18 12:34:36 AM #51:	CookieMarvin posted... WafflehouseJK posted... CookieMarvin posted... a lot of azizs comedy revolves around the nuances of modern dating. doesnt the brand hes built for himself kind of suggest the idea that he would be more sensitive to less-explicit forms of communication? Is it unfair to expect more from him than from waffle? (no offense!!!) The thing is though, "less-explicit forms of communication" is incredibly vague. He's still a human being, and it's still very easy to misinterpret things like body language and non-verbal cues, because the fact of the matter is, those vary from person to person. The only clear way is to verbally communicate your unease and what you want or don't want. And no, Aziz and myself should both be held to the same standard, just as everyone should be held to the same standard. We're both men who want sex, and we should both be respectful and wary of when the other person is uncomfortable and wants to stop, but we also cant be expected to read minds. I've often been told by girls I'm TOO wary, because they'll say they wanted me to kiss them at a certain point but I chose not to because while I figured they wanted me to, I was extremely concerned with misreading the sign and going for the move when they didn't actually want me to. I honestly think that's not a terrible mindset to have, you should never want to make the other person uncomfortable, but also, if you wait too long to make a move, the spark could fade away and they'll completely lose interest. When you're dealing with non-verbal cues, it's a gamble, which is why I don't like dealing with them, I'd much rather the other person tell me exactly what they want from the situation.That's the clearest, simplest, and safest way for both parties. less-explicit may be vague wording, but I think it was a little more concrete in her actions. what about her use of verbal cues with delaying language? she said things like not now in hopes that hed back off. that seems like a lighter, but pretty firm shut down, yet he persisted nonetheless. thats pretty headass As I've already firmly established, yes, Aziz was too pushy. But vague language doesn't work either, because it still leaves the door open. There legitimately are girls who want the dude to "work for it" and say things like that teasingly to try and get them to try harder. I'm not just pulling that out of my ass and assuming, that's what several female friends of mine have explicitly told me. But obviously that's not always the case and not every girl is like that, but because it varies so much, it makes clear, decisive language even more crucial. You have to make your intentions and desires clear, bottom line. --- "She was like, 'Oh, did you see that firefighter? Hes so cute.' And I was like, Mom, I just got blown up." <cite>WafflehouseJK posted [p:894142753] in the allega... [t:76206536]...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WafflehouseJK posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieMarvin posted...</cite> <quote> a lot of azizs comedy revolves around the nuances of modern dating. doesnt the brand hes built for himself kind of suggest the idea that he would be more sensitive to less-explicit forms of communication? Is it unfair to expect more from him than from waffle? (no offense!!!)</quote> The thing is though, "less-explicit forms of communication" is incredibly vague. He's still a human being, and it's still very easy to misinterpret things like body language and non-verbal cues, because the fact of the matter is, those vary from person to person. The only clear way is to verbally communicate your unease and what you want or don't want. And no, Aziz and myself should both be held to the same standard, just as everyone should be held to the same standard. We're both men who want sex, and we should both be respectful and wary of when the other person is uncomfortable and wants to stop, but we also cant be expected to read minds. I've often been told by girls I'm TOO wary, because they'll say they wanted me to kiss them at a certain point but I chose not to because while I figured they wanted me to, I was extremely concerned with misreading the sign and going for the move when they didn't actually want me to. I honestly think that's not a terrible mindset to have, you should never want to make the other person uncomfortable, but also, if you wait too long to make a move, the spark could fade away and they'll completely lose interest. When you're dealing with non-verbal cues, it's a gamble, which is why I don't like dealing with them, I'd much rather the other person tell me exactly what they want from the situation.That's the clearest, simplest, and safest way for both parties.</quote> less-explicit may be vague wording, but I think it was a little more concrete in her actions. what about her use of verbal cues with delaying language? she said things like not now in hopes that hed back off. that seems like a lighter, but pretty firm shut down, yet he persisted nonetheless. thats pretty headass</quote> As I've already firmly established, yes, Aziz was too pushy. But vague language doesn't work either, because it still leaves the door open. There legitimately are girls who want the dude to "work for it" and say things like that teasingly to try and get them to try harder. I'm not just pulling that out of my ass and assuming, that's what several female friends of mine have explicitly told me. But obviously that's not always the case and not every girl is like that, but because it varies so much, it makes clear, decisive language even more crucial. You have to make your intentions and desires clear, bottom line.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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