Poll of the Day > Oregon Parents who had EXTREMELY LOW IQ Win back Custody of their KIDS!!!

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Amy Fabbrini and Eric Ziegler, an Oregon Couple who have been battling the Oregon Department of Human Services for 4 years hve won back custody of their children after they took their sons, then 4 y/o Christopher and 10 month hold Hunter away from them because they were deemed to have lower than average IQ to take care of them!!

This was based on concerns of Amy and Eric's family at the time who questioned their ability to be parents but a judge ordered the return of their older son, Christopher and the same of their infant son.

The 2 children have lived almost their entire lives in foster care since the removal as attorney Jamie Gerlitz said "I'm glad the case was successful, but it shouldn't have been this hard. I think the system is broken. DHS has a lot of power and it's really scary that it's taken these people 4 years to be heard"

Judge Bethany Flint said "i feel the threat articulated to Hunter is fairly amorphous. I searched and searched for some sort of language that was provided to articulate what the current threat of harm is to Hunter right now..There is no allegation that they're not able to meet these basic needs"

The parents of Amy and Eric said they were concerned for the parents cognitive and "excutive functioning" skills as they had their IQ's tested. Amy came back at 72 and Eric was 66 where the average IQ is between 90 and 109 and because theirs was well below the population average, the state ordered the removal of their children for their safety

Eric's parents bought the house for the couple to live in but Eric and Amy have held jobs and Eric has a driver's license who works in the mail department of the Bend Bulletin. They have taken parenting, nutrition and CPR classes to show they can raise children.

One fo the reasons the state removed the children were they were not reading to them, failed to put sunscreen on them and gave them FRIED CHICKEN NUGGETS as snacks as a toddler as opposed to healthier food.

A GoFundMe page was created as 40,000 has been raised of their 200,000 goal.

Do you think the state was right to take away their kids because of concerns of their IQ?

Amy and Eric and their kids -

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this is all well and nice and a huge win for them, but they really should not have those children
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Good for them.

helIy posted...

this is all well and nice and a huge win for them, but they really should not have those children

They weren't able to come up with a single allegation. Much better than a foster home.
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in this case, a foster home would likely be better for these children.

there's a reason they were taken away in the first place.
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helIy posted...

in this case, a foster home would likely be better for these children.

there's a reason they were taken away in the first place.

The reason was that they thought the parent couldn't take care of them. But it seems that they can. At least give them a chance.
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helIy posted...

there's a reason they were taken away in the first place.

Chicken nuggets and lack of sunscreen?

They look like they live quality lives by the pictures.
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Full Throttle posted...

Eric's parents bought the house for the couple to live in but Eric and Amy have held jobs and Eric has a driver's license who works in the mail department of the Bend Bulletin. They have taken parenting, nutrition and CPR classes to show they can raise children.

One fo the reasons the state removed the children were they were not reading to them, failed to put sunscreen on them and gave them FRIED CHICKEN NUGGETS as snacks as a toddler as opposed to healthier food.

That's fucking ridiculous.

helIy posted...

this is all well and nice and a huge win for them, but they really should not have those children

Based on what?

helIy posted...

there's a reason they were taken away in the first place.

And that reason was that they were given chicken nuggets. The department fucked up.
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There is no way that man has an IQ of 66 based on any real standards.
That would mean he is literally incapable of functioning in eveyday life.

I'm not saying Chicken nuggets are healthy. But a couple chicken nuggets as a snack is not grounds for taking someone's children away.
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ASlaveObeys posted...

There is no way that man has an IQ of 66 based on any real standards.
That would mean he is literally incapable of functioning in eveyday life.

Yeah, he has a driver's license, he's been able to hold down a job all these years, etc. There's got to be something wrong with the test.
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Good to see these kids were not put into the system for that long.
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Full Throttle posted...

One fo the reasons the state removed the children were they were not reading to them, failed to put sunscreen on them and gave them FRIED CHICKEN NUGGETS as snacks as a toddler as opposed to healthier food.

Is this not the behavior of lots parents nowadays

Some of the people with kids that I know just plop them in front of a tablet 90% of the time sadly and feed them McDonalds for dinner
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Mead posted...

feed them McDonalds for dinner

And what's wrong with that? =x Everybody loves McDonald's... except maybe monsters.
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Not all poor people are stupid, and not all stupid people are poor, but there's a seriously huge overlap on the Venn diagram. I hate it when obviously shitty parents (and their friends) go off about how children's aid (or whatever) are "only out to take kids away from loving families." No, they're not. The kind of people that have their children put in foster care are the same ones that deny any wrongdoing about everything and are generally subhuman.

My wife was in foster care and her bio mom is a piece of shit. Easily the worst and stupidest person I've ever met, and I know a guy who thinks Alex Jones has all the answers... That's hard to beat, but her trying to weasel trust money out of a severely mentally handicapped boy (that is only handicapped because of her drinking) is a perfect example. But no, he's messed up because "of all the pills the doctors gave him" (after he was already messed up...) and other fantasies. She's a no good parasite who should be homeless and freezing under an overpass.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Not all poor people are stupid, and not all stupid people are poor, but there's a seriously huge overlap on the Venn diagram. I hate it when obviously shitty parents (and their friends) go off about how children's aid (or whatever) are "only out to take kids away from loving families." No, they're not.

The system is massively flawed. The poor and vulnerable are the primary victims of CPS -- regardless of whatever they're alleged to have done wrong -- because they don't have the resources to fight it. Meanwhile rich folk can beat their kids half to death, hire a lawyer to block CPS, and finish killing the kids.

Intelligence or wealth doesn't automatically make somebody a good parent. It does, however, ensure that they're more able to keep their kid even when they're a direct threat to their kid.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

The kind of people that have their children put in foster care are the same ones that deny any wrongdoing about everything

Kind of an awful stereotype and one that overlooks that *all* people try to justify their convictions. Plus parenting isn't strictly a matter of one method where any deviation should be punished, although that's how the insanely designed system now works.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

My wife was in foster care and her bio mom is a piece of shit.

...and there are plenty of wealthy women -- ones who married extremely well before the husband found out how awful they are -- who are able to keep their kids.
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Zeus posted...

Mead posted...

feed them McDonalds for dinner

And what's wrong with that? =x Everybody loves McDonald's... except maybe monsters.

yeah mead... are you a monster
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Mead posted...

Full Throttle posted...

One fo the reasons the state removed the children were they were not reading to them, failed to put sunscreen on them and gave them FRIED CHICKEN NUGGETS as snacks as a toddler as opposed to healthier food.

Is this not the behavior of lots parents nowadays

Some of the people with kids that I know just plop them in front of a tablet 90% of the time sadly and feed them McDonalds for dinner

I don't remember it saying McDonalds. Couldn't it have been Chicken nuggets that they cooked at home?
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Zeus posted...

Full Throttle posted...

Eric's parents bought the house for the couple to live in but Eric and Amy have held jobs and Eric has a driver's license who works in the mail department of the Bend Bulletin. They have taken parenting, nutrition and CPR classes to show they can raise children.

One fo the reasons the state removed the children were they were not reading to them, failed to put sunscreen on them and gave them FRIED CHICKEN NUGGETS as snacks as a toddler as opposed to healthier food.

That's fucking ridiculous.

helIy posted...

this is all well and nice and a huge win for them, but they really should not have those children

Based on what?

helIy posted...

there's a reason they were taken away in the first place.

And that reason was that they were given chicken nuggets. The department fucked up.

The entire system is like that. They get paid every time a child is taken away.
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That's ridiculous. Unless they have shown incompetence or negligence toward raising children, they should not be stopped from doing so. There has to be a reason beyond "We don't think you're capable."
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Zeus posted...

Meanwhile rich folk can beat their kids half to death, hire a lawyer to block CPS, and finish killing the kids.

That explains how every child killed by parental neglect in the news is raised by poor fools. Unless of course you're of the persuasion that the rich are actually satanists in control of the media highfiving the illuminati and lizard people.

Zeus posted...

parenting isn't strictly a matter of one method where any deviation should be punished, although that's how the insanely designed system now works.

Burning your kids in the sun and destroying their health isn't really alternate parenting, and they haven't the intelligence to enact a successful plan deviating from standard.
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Allegedly their older kid's got problems of his own they may not be able to manage. I don't see why they can't raise the baby, too bad their family isn't giving any support.
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