Current Events > Chelsea Manning files to run for Senate in Maryland

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KingCrabCake posted...

its for scientific reasons.

why do you care about science now all of a sudden
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averagejoel posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Hexenherz posted...

idk KCC has been on my ignore list for a while. No reason to engage him at all.

Yeah he seems like a man of little substance

you're being too generous

As per usual my punching bags talk back
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Doom_Art posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

its for scientific reasons.

why do you care about science now all of a sudden

And i knew you would ignore the post and again have selective reading...

And when have i never cared about science?

Im expecting a dodge on this question @Doom_Art
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Doom_Art posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Manning is only supported so people can claim to not be transphobic.

What if we supported her before she turned out to be trans?

Then you just support treason, and clearly have nothing to offer the only nation in the world with the freedoms you take for granted.
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Wow that's pretty harsh man. And a bit laughable if you look at what other countries out there have.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Manning - I'm pissed off at my job and have access to documents. Let me leak as much as possible and whatever I can get my hands on to hurt the army as much as possible.

Snowden- the government is illegally spying on the American people. Let me take these specific documents, comb over them to make sure current operations and people aren't put into danger, let me go through credible journalists so they can double check.

There's a chain of command that Snowden should have gone through as well.
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Hexenherz posted...

Wow that's pretty harsh man. And a bit laughable if you look at what other countries out there have.

Few other countries even have freedom of speech, much less a protected right to bear arms, dude.
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Its rich the people crying its offensive to call manning a dude are the same ones who call the President a piece of shit
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Anteaterking posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Manning - I'm pissed off at my job and have access to documents. Let me leak as much as possible and whatever I can get my hands on to hurt the army as much as possible.

Snowden- the government is illegally spying on the American people. Let me take these specific documents, comb over them to make sure current operations and people aren't put into danger, let me go through credible journalists so they can double check.

There's a chain of command that Snowden should have gone through as well.

Except:

-he did go up his chain of command.
-what he leaked wasn't illegal, and still isn't.
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KingCrabCake posted...

Its rich the people crying its offensive to call manning a dude are the same ones who call the President a piece of shit

Those aren't related at all, JerseyProud
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darkjedilink posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Wow that's pretty harsh man. And a bit laughable if you look at what other countries out there have.

Few other countries even have freedom of speech, much less a protected right to bear arms, dude.

I don't know, maybe if we're talking about the 18th century landscape...

And the "benefits" of a "protected right to bear arms" are highly subjective. The meaning of that phrase in the Constitution is still often debated and there are many greatly conflicting interpretations of what the intent was, so...
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Holy shit you are a fool if you condemn Manning but defend Snowden. He perpetrated the largest breach in American history and then took all of that information to China and then Russia. There's certainly no guarantee he retained control over the mountains of information he took with him. It's also extremely highly suspect that he would criticize the United States for programs and then go to countries that have programs notoriously worse than what he was allegedly championing against.
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darkjedilink posted...

-he did go up his chain of command.

He didn't.
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It's so weird watching Americans' thought patterns sometimes.

"The protected right to bear arms" isn't even an issue that crosses most people's minds in those "other countries".
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Bio1590 posted...

It's so weird watching Americans' thought patterns sometimes.

"The protected right to bear arms" isn't even an issue that crosses most people's minds in those "other countries".

I'm American, it drives me crazy that people have this utterly strange perception of global politics and think that we're literally the only country in the world to have freedom of speech.
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Bio1590 posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Its rich the people crying its offensive to call manning a dude are the same ones who call the President a piece of shit

Those aren't related at all, KingsCrabCake

It certainly is. Im sorry i cant draw you a picture to make it easier for u
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Warrior_Man posted...

Manning is an unstable person. Just look at their twitter account. Constant ranting and raving. It will be amusing to see how they hold up to campaign scrutiny.

So you're saying she'd be more qualified to run for president.
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KingCrabCake posted...

Bio1590 posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Its rich the people crying its offensive to call manning a dude are the same ones who call the President a piece of shit

Those aren't related at all, KingsCrabCake

It certainly is. Im sorry i cant draw you a picture to make it easier for u

Edit my post and you can't even spell your own username correctly come on JerseyProud
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Bio1590 posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Bio1590 posted...

KingCrabCake posted...

Its rich the people crying its offensive to call manning a dude are the same ones who call the President a piece of shit

Those aren't related at all, KingsCrabCake

It certainly is. Im sorry i cant draw you a picture to make it easier for u

Edit my post and you can't even spell your own username correctly come on kingkrabcake

Better
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Hexenherz posted...

Bio1590 posted...

It's so weird watching Americans' thought patterns sometimes.

"The protected right to bear arms" isn't even an issue that crosses most people's minds in those "other countries".

I'm American, it drives me crazy that people have this utterly strange perception of global politics and think that we're literally the only country in the world to have freedom of speech.

Almost every other country has government censorship, and a lot of them ALSO arrest people for mean tweets.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

BillyKidd posted...

yes. Millions of people who have all crossed the border and 80% of women that crossed were all raped by the same 50 traffickers.....

Don't get mad at other people because you don't read your own links.

woosh
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darkjedilink posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Bio1590 posted...

It's so weird watching Americans' thought patterns sometimes.

"The protected right to bear arms" isn't even an issue that crosses most people's minds in those "other countries".

I'm American, it drives me crazy that people have this utterly strange perception of global politics and think that we're literally the only country in the world to have freedom of speech.

Almost every other country has government censorship, and a lot of them ALSO arrest people for mean tweets.

This is such an absurd point of view seriously, what other developed Western countries do this?
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Hexenherz posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Wow that's pretty harsh man. And a bit laughable if you look at what other countries out there have.

Few other countries even have freedom of speech, much less a protected right to bear arms, dude.

I don't know, maybe if we're talking about the 18th century landscape...

And the "benefits" of a "protected right to bear arms" are highly subjective. The meaning of that phrase in the Constitution is still often debated and there are many greatly conflicting interpretations of what the intent was, so...

There literally is no debate. The other works by the Framers make it quite clear that the populace are supposed to be at least as well-armed as the government.
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Hexenherz posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Bio1590 posted...

It's so weird watching Americans' thought patterns sometimes.

"The protected right to bear arms" isn't even an issue that crosses most people's minds in those "other countries".

I'm American, it drives me crazy that people have this utterly strange perception of global politics and think that we're literally the only country in the world to have freedom of speech.

Almost every other country has government censorship, and a lot of them ALSO arrest people for mean tweets.

This is such an absurd point of view seriously, what other developed Western countries do this?

Almost all of Europe does both, and Australia is probably the worst offender of censorship.
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BLAKUboy posted...

Warrior_Man posted...

Manning is an unstable person. Just look at their twitter account. Constant ranting and raving. It will be amusing to see how they hold up to campaign scrutiny.

So you're saying she's presidential material?

Trumpeters wont get this

Isn't Manning the one who claimed that "gender dysphroria made me do it" when accused of leaking things? I don't think he is transgender at all, I'm sure that he just made that up because it's trendy, and he had to go out of his way to keep up his lie or else he would lose all sympathy. Why claim to be transgender? Because it was "trendy" at the time. If this was 20 years ago, it would've been "The asperger's made me do it".

darkjedilink posted...

Hexenherz posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Wow that's pretty harsh man. And a bit laughable if you look at what other countries out there have.

Few other countries even have freedom of speech, much less a protected right to bear arms, dude.

I don't know, maybe if we're talking about the 18th century landscape...

And the "benefits" of a "protected right to bear arms" are highly subjective. The meaning of that phrase in the Constitution is still often debated and there are many greatly conflicting interpretations of what the intent was, so...

There literally is no debate. The other works by the Framers make it quite clear that the populace are supposed to be at least as well-armed as the government.

Does that mean the populace should have tanks and ICBMs?
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darkjedilink posted...

Hexenherz posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Bio1590 posted...

It's so weird watching Americans' thought patterns sometimes.

"The protected right to bear arms" isn't even an issue that crosses most people's minds in those "other countries".

I'm American, it drives me crazy that people have this utterly strange perception of global politics and think that we're literally the only country in the world to have freedom of speech.

Almost every other country has government censorship, and a lot of them ALSO arrest people for mean tweets.

This is such an absurd point of view seriously, what other developed Western countries do this?

Almost all of Europe does both, and Australia is probably the worst offender of censorship.

"Almost all of Europe does both" - Can you please post specific examples?
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It's also funny to me that someone will so adamantly defend something as intangible and ultimately meaningless as free speech while foregoing real issues like health care and education costs and availability.
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Hexenherz posted...

It's also funny to me that someone will so adamantly defend something as intangible and ultimately meaningless as free speech while foregoing real issues like health care and education costs and availability.

You'd figure a dude that lost his wife due to said aforementioned health care costs would find that pretty substantial. But he gets to whine about his lot in life to strangers over the internet with impunity, and at the end of the day that's all that really matters.
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Hexenherz posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Hexenherz posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Bio1590 posted...

It's so weird watching Americans' thought patterns sometimes.

"The protected right to bear arms" isn't even an issue that crosses most people's minds in those "other countries".

I'm American, it drives me crazy that people have this utterly strange perception of global politics and think that we're literally the only country in the world to have freedom of speech.

Almost every other country has government censorship, and a lot of them ALSO arrest people for mean tweets.

This is such an absurd point of view seriously, what other developed Western countries do this?

Almost all of Europe does both, and Australia is probably the worst offender of censorship.

"Almost all of Europe does both" - Can you please post specific examples?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html

Seems like a lack of free speech to me.
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One of those examples is a dude threatening to blow up an airport. The other is a dude threatening refugees. Not the strongest examples one can come up with in defense of free speech.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

One of those examples is a dude threatening to blow up an airport. The other is a dude threatening refugees. Not the strongest examples one can come up with in defense of free speech.

And it says that there were over 10,000 instances of sexually charged language used. Those people weren't all charged with anything.
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TrojanPony posted...

Isn't Manning the one who claimed that "gender dysphroria made me do it" when accused of leaking things? I don't think he is transgender at all, I'm sure that he just made that up because it's trendy, and he had to go out of his way to keep up his lie or else he would lose all sympathy. Why claim to be transgender? Because it was "trendy" at the time. If this was 20 years ago, it would've been "The asperger's made me do it".

I've already posted ITT evidence that Manning was questioning her gender identity before even leaking the info
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Antifar posted...

TrojanPony posted...

Isn't Manning the one who claimed that "gender dysphroria made me do it" when accused of leaking things? I don't think he is transgender at all, I'm sure that he just made that up because it's trendy, and he had to go out of his way to keep up his lie or else he would lose all sympathy. Why claim to be transgender? Because it was "trendy" at the time. If this was 20 years ago, it would've been "The asperger's made me do it".

I've already posted ITT evidence that Manning was questioning her gender identity before even leaking the info

I'm not even going to comment because the mods take issue with MY belief about Manning, but I am stalwart in it and I have no plans to change it. Manning threw transpeople under a bus for no reason and is scum for doing so.

TrojanPony posted...

Antifar posted...

TrojanPony posted...

Isn't Manning the one who claimed that "gender dysphroria made me do it" when accused of leaking things? I don't think he is transgender at all, I'm sure that he just made that up because it's trendy, and he had to go out of his way to keep up his lie or else he would lose all sympathy. Why claim to be transgender? Because it was "trendy" at the time. If this was 20 years ago, it would've been "The asperger's made me do it".

I've already posted ITT evidence that Manning was questioning her gender identity before even leaking the info

I'm not even going to comment because the mods take issue with MY belief about Manning, but I am stalwart in it and I have no plans to change it. Manning threw transpeople under a bus for no reason and is scum for doing so.

Ya mods hate DNA and Science
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Aww, look at how mad the hateful bitter people are ITT over their fair moderations
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@The Great Muta 22 posted...

Aww, look at how mad the hateful bitter people are ITT over their fair moderations

No one was modded though. Manning is a piece of shit :)
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Hope he loses. He is a pos

Hexenherz posted...

Bio1590 posted...

It's so weird watching Americans' thought patterns sometimes.

"The protected right to bear arms" isn't even an issue that crosses most people's minds in those "other countries".

I'm American, it drives me crazy that people have this utterly strange perception of global politics and think that we're literally the only country in the world to have freedom of speech.

The US has the most robust speech protectiins period. No, other counties do not have free speech.
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Hexenherz posted...

I'm American, it drives me crazy that people have this utterly strange perception of global politics and think that we're literally the only country in the world to have freedom of speech.

It's driving you crazy because you have little to no idea what you're talking about

darkjedilink posted...

Antifar posted...

darkjedilink posted...

You'd be right if what I was spouting was nonsense. The only reason Manning switched genders was to get President Obama to pardon.

Prove it. Provide one fucking piece of evidence to support your claim.

President Obama made no mention of pardon until after Manning claimed to be trans. President Obama's entire cabinet disagreed with pardoning Manning, but Manning saw an opportunity to get a pardon.

Now prove it's legit. Provide one fucking piece of evidence to support your claim that Manning legitimately has a partially female brain.

Why does she still live as a woman today if it was all a ruse?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Bio1590 posted...

It's so weird watching Americans' thought patterns sometimes.

"The protected right to bear arms" isn't even an issue that crosses most people's minds in those "other countries".

I'm American, it drives me crazy that people have this utterly strange perception of global politics and think that we're literally the only country in the world to have freedom of speech.

The US has the most robust speech protectiins period. No, other counties do not have free speech.

This is so untrue.

Reporters Without Borders put us at the 43rd spot for 2017 press freedom rankings: https://rsf.org/en/ranking

In 2014 the US ranked number 6 for internet freedom according to a Freedom House report.
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Yeah but we can threaten people over the internet. That's true freedom.
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Omg. You poor thing. Do you even read the studies? Did you see their criteria? Do you know what's happening in the world? Do you really think these places, that get you jail time for saying mean things about Islam, have more protections than we do?!

What the fuck. lmao

That only holds true if you redefine these words. Ie Orwellian propaganda.

The deal is in the US you can say and express more shit, abhorrent or not, than any other country.

When you have to redefine freedom as "free from hearing shit I don't like" then yeah. You can pretend censorship is freedom.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

That only holds true if you redefine these words. Ie Orwellian propaganda.

The deal is in the US you can say and express more shit, abhorrent or not, than any other country.

That's... awesome. *rolls eyes*
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

That only holds true if you redefine these words. Ie Orwellian propaganda.

The deal is in the US you can say and express more shit, abhorrent or not, than any other country.

How is an American debating that?!? If you lived under a rock you would still know that

Hexenherz posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

That only holds true if you redefine these words. Ie Orwellian propaganda.

The deal is in the US you can say and express more shit, abhorrent or not, than any other country.

That's... awesome. *rolls eyes*

It is. It says a lot that you can't understand why that is