Poll of the Day > Have you ever played The 7th Saga(SNES)

(+) Yeah! (+)

This game kicks ass and if you're not careful it will kick your ass to. Ahh, the joys of old RPG's is something that nobody will enjoy and respect nowadays. Sure it's an old game but you will miss out on a great gaming experience if you don't play it. Ranting over with.
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Awesome game, played with every combo of characters eventually hehe.

Robot and Demon I think were my favorites, but all were fun.

I miss it.
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Yep. Still have my copy.
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I still have my copy to and I'm playing as Olvan and this game is still kicking my ass but I'm loving it and hating it both at the same time. It's a great game.
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I have watched my brother play, but I have not actually played it. We didn't have it at the time, and once I learned of the game I was already emulation vegan and refused to play.
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One of the few games I put on my SNES classic. Haven't replayed it yet though. I usually play Kamil as I prefer to play human males. Valsu is a support and who the hell plays a support as their main?
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I don't play emulator games. I always play my games on SNES
.I wish I could get a hold of the Mother series but all I have is Earthbound.
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Molitheus posted...

I wish I could get a hold of the Mother series but all I have is Earthbound.

I was able to play Mother via Earthbound Zero on the virtual console... it's... it's, ok - it's a very poor RPG. I mean, the actual story is really good and there's some rather edgy stuff in it - but the battle system is SLOW and there are a ton of encounters. It's like playing Dragon Quest 2.
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https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/563501-the-7th-saga/73219106
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Lokarin posted...

Molitheus posted...

I wish I could get a hold of the Mother series but all I have is Earthbound.

I was able to play Mother via Earthbound Zero on the virtual console... it's... it's, ok - it's a very poor RPG. I mean, the actual story is really good and there's some rather edgy stuff in it - but the battle system is SLOW and there are a ton of encounters. It's like playing Dragon Quest 2.

Dragon Quest 2 was fun. I don't mind the slow pace but what I can't stand is that the the Mother series are in Japanese except for Earthbound. I was trying to collect the series with this game but since no English version of the games were available I said screw it but the Dragon Quest series were awesome until they dropped off the face of the earth after Dragon Quest 3
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hate it

terrible

any game that punishes grinding is not my friend

ReggieTheReckless posted...

hate it

terrible

any game that punishes grinding is not my friend

Then you are not a true RPG fan. Grinding in a RPG is natural. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass but the game is still great. If you don't like grinding then that means the game is kicking your ass and you need to get back in there and keep fighting.
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huh? I said the opposite of that

I like grinding, but the 7th saga is a far easier game at lower levels much like final fantasy 8

ReggieTheReckless posted...

huh? I said the opposite of that

I like grinding, but the 7th saga is a far easier game at lower levels much like final fantasy 8

ReggieTheReckless posted...

huh? I said the opposite of that

I like grinding, but the 7th saga is a far easier game at lower levels much like final fantasy 8

Yeah, both games are easy in the early stages but when you get into playing The 7th Saga you will see that's there's a huge difference between the two and believe me The 7th Saga will give you more of a challenge than FFVIII.
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It's interesting how the other adventurers you face ends up leveling up with you so that's what makes the game challenging. It's like Lunar. No matter how high you level up the boss is going to level up with you. I just partner up with one of them, mostly Lux the Tetsujin and bulldoze through the game.

I'm using Olvan and Kamil and believe me things get very interesting with this combo but the only problem is that these 2 characters are very similar but in the end it pays off since both characters are powerhouses.
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Yeah those guys are the strongest as well for those that use weapons. I think Lux and Wilme is the strongest ones. It's too bad the ending is the same, I wish they would've expanded on their individual stories more. Maybe in a remake, but I doubt Produce is around anymore.

I prefer the 1st Saga.
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BTB posted...

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/563501-the-7th-saga/73219106

Since you decided to leave out Olvan and Kamil tells me that you don't understand that these characters are f*****get powerhouses and when you get to the end of the game you will see what I'm talking about.
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The entire point of that thread is that I didn't feel like getting to endgame levels so I went with characters that you can beat the game with in their mid-30's instead.
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BTB posted...

The entire point of that thread is that I didn't feel like getting to endgame levels so I went with characters that you can beat the game with in their mid-30's instead.

Unfortunately, when you use Olvan or Kamil or if they're both paired up as a team you will always be constantly fighting and even though you have leveled up they're still certain enemies in the game that will give you a hard time and this game is very unforgiving if you try to run from battles cause a lot of times the game won't let you run which results in you getting your ass kicked and resetting the game which gets very annoying after a while.
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Did you actually read that thread?
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BTB posted...

Did you actually read that thread?

No
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I played it but lost interest due to an unwinnable battle against my characters rival.
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I read through some of that topic you were talking about BTB. At first, I thought it was just me but I can't stand Mutants. Those things are a royal pain in the ass but when they are paired up with Cocoon that makes them even worse. Anyway, I much rather use a character like Olvan instead of another character that will allow you to go through the game very quickly. I always enjoy a good challenge and I'm not going to back down to from Mutant enemies just because they're a huge pain. Screw that.
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Currently hearing the battle/boss themes in my head, awesome game with awesome music.
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How long does it take to beat the game? Maybe I'll give it a try this weekend.

green dragon posted...

How long does it take to beat the game? Maybe I'll give it a try this weekend.

Not entirely sure, the game is extremely unfair because of some coding mistakes that arose in the English version.
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Never heard of it.
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green dragon posted...

How long does it take to beat the game? Maybe I'll give it a try this weekend.

First-time player is pretty easily looking at 40-50 hours. Using speed characters and exploiting existing knowledge of the game, I can beat it in about 10.
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I played it long ago, it was really tough. That feel when the companion you want doesn't like you. x.x
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TyVulpine posted...

I played it but lost interest due to an unwinnable battle against my characters rival.

this... like 4 or 5 times over the years. haven't tried in a long time though.
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It's much less common than people believe to reach a point where one of the other apprentices is actually unbeatable.
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I loved it, tough game. I remember being stuck once when I was a kid, warping all over the place and couldn't figure out what to do. Eventually I beat it in my late teen years.

Anyone that likes it should check out Mystic Ark, it's basically 7th Saga, with some minor elements from Soul Blazer. Speaking of Soul Blazer; Illusion of Gaia and Terranigma are parts of the same series, and The Granstream Saga also gets it's honorable mention, as well. So check those out!

BTB posted...

40-50 hours

fuck.

that.

green dragon posted...

BTB posted...

40-50 hours

fuck.

that.

Might be less than that unless you want to max out your levels. We'll see.

Most of that is going to come from finding your way around rather than intentional grinding; grinding is just sort of an inevitable side effect of getting lost and then killed.
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Hm that could be true. Although I don't remember the dungeons being long, well actually I do remember multiple paths and lots of battles because of that.

Sahuagin posted...

TyVulpine posted...

I played it but lost interest due to an unwinnable battle against my characters rival.

this... like 4 or 5 times over the years. haven't tried in a long time though.

I'd have 2 of the Runes, then have to face the Rival, and always got my butt kicked because I couldn't damage him, but he could drain my health in 2 hits.
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Yeah, pro strats are ignore everything in a dungeon when you first go through it.
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Yes. I'm pretty sure I've beaten it but I can't recall how it ends. I definitely got very far in though.
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Ranzoh posted...

It's interesting how the other adventurers you face ends up leveling up with you so that's what makes the game challenging. It's like Lunar. No matter how high you level up the boss is going to level up with you. I just partner up with one of them, mostly Lux the Tetsujin and bulldoze through the game.

While they technically level up with you, they actually grow far more powerful, much faster. The game was tweaked for the US release to make it much more difficult. The result is that you get reduced improvements upon leveling up, while the other adventurers continue as normal. So the NPCs you have to fight become powerful so fast that there's a point where you cannot win.

You can take advantage of this though, as any companion you get gains stats at the normal rate, not the reduced rate.
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waterdeepchu posted...

While they technically level up with you, they actually grow far more powerful, much faster. The game was tweaked for the US release to make it much more difficult. The result is that you get reduced improvements upon leveling up, while the other adventurers continue as normal. So the NPCs you have to fight become powerful so fast that there's a point where you cannot win.

This gets brought up a lot. It's the one bug that everybody knows about (and will cite at any given opportunity as the main reason this game is so hard). What most people *don't* know is that it's nonexistent prior to level 10 and very minor prior to level 20. Battles with the other apprentices just boil down to killing them in a single hit 90% of the time, and a good player will be in Barluca *long* before the stat bug really starts to show its true colors.
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I am surprised the game has so many fans. It really isn't a great RPG and is burdened down by it's difficulty.

BTB posted...

Yeah, pro strats are ignore everything in a dungeon when you first go through it.

BTB posted...

This gets brought up a lot. It's the one bug that everybody knows about (and will cite at any given opportunity as the main reason this game is so hard). What most people *don't* know is that it's nonexistent prior to level 10 and very minor prior to level 20. Battles with the other apprentices just boil down to killing them in a single hit 90% of the time, and a good player will be in Barluca *long* before the stat bug really starts to show its true colors.

honestly, you're really making me dislike this game. I like it in principle, like thematically. but all this crap just reeks of bad game design. if the game has been tweaked in such a way as to be *that* unplayable, then wtf, that's not a good game, that's the antithesis of a good game.
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Oh, I never said it was a good game. It has some good design ideas, but the overall execution is just a punishing mess unless you're going in with an insane amount of insider knowledge.
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well ok then 8)
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BTB posted...

waterdeepchu posted...

While they technically level up with you, they actually grow far more powerful, much faster. The game was tweaked for the US release to make it much more difficult. The result is that you get reduced improvements upon leveling up, while the other adventurers continue as normal. So the NPCs you have to fight become powerful so fast that there's a point where you cannot win.

This gets brought up a lot. It's the one bug that everybody knows about (and will cite at any given opportunity as the main reason this game is so hard). What most people *don't* know is that it's nonexistent prior to level 10 and very minor prior to level 20. Battles with the other apprentices just boil down to killing them in a single hit 90% of the time, and a good player will be in Barluca *long* before the stat bug really starts to show its true colors.

I'm not actually sure on this. On my current playthrough when I was trying to get the Sky Rune I had a couple problems with the apprentice and one of them was trying to get him/her to appear but once the apprentice did appear it was(drum roll)...Valsu which was very bad news for me. They're were 2 reasons for this(1)I was using Olvan(2)he was at level 27 which was a nightmare for Olvan. The only strategy I could use against Valsu was to power up Olvan, defend then attack and heal and hope I could get in a second strike. If my level had been any higher than 27 then Valsu would be unbeatable.
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Astyanax posted...

I loved it, tough game. I remember being stuck once when I was a kid, warping all over the place and couldn't figure out what to do. Eventually I beat it in my late teen years.

Anyone that likes it should check out Mystic Ark, it's basically 7th Saga, with some minor elements from Soul Blazer. Speaking of Soul Blazer; Illusion of Gaia and Terranigma are parts of the same series, and The Granstream Saga also gets it's honorable mention, as well. So check those out!

I don't mean to double post but is Terranigma a hard game to get? I want to get this game along with Soul Blazer and Mystic Ark.
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Yes
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