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Amazon_Shampoo 01/10/18 4:08:05 PM #1:	Do you consider Trans Women real Women? Yes. No. Yes but only if they can pass as a real women. Yes but only if they have gone all the way with surgery and pass as a real women. No but I have no issue with them. No and I strongly dislike them. Never, no matter how much is done to make them like real women. View Results With some of the recent controversy in another topic posted recently it would be interesting to see where people here stand on this issue. Real meaning, you would treat them as you would treat any women. Doesn't mean you have to date them, but more you would treat the trans part as something like being overweight, or smoking. Not something that would make them less of a women. Nothing to do with dating. <cite>Amazon_Shampoo posted [p:893784369] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote> Do you consider Trans Women real Women? Yes. No. Yes but only if they can pass as a real women. Yes but only if they have gone all the way with surgery and pass as a real women. No but I have no issue with them. No and I strongly dislike them. Never, no matter how much is done to make them like real women. View Results With some of the recent controversy in another topic posted recently it would be interesting to see where people here stand on this issue. Real meaning, you would treat them as you would treat any women. Doesn't mean you have to date them, but more you would treat the trans part as something like being overweight, or smoking. Not something that would make them less of a women. Nothing to do with dating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 01/10/18 4:09:48 PM #2:	Real in the sense that they exist. I don't think a trans woman is the same as a cis woman. A trans woman is a trans woman. Same with trans men. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:893784462] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>Real in the sense that they exist. I don't think a trans woman is the same as a cis woman. A trans woman is a trans woman. Same with trans men.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 01/10/18 4:10:11 PM #3:	They literally aren't women. DNA tests prove it. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:893784488] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>They literally aren't women. DNA tests prove it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 01/10/18 4:10:56 PM #4:	eston posted... Real in the sense that they exist. I don't think a trans woman is the same as a cis woman. A trans woman is a trans woman. Same with trans men. Yes. They're different, but not in a bad or good way. Just different. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:893784524] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Real in the sense that they exist. I don't think a trans woman is the same as a cis woman. A trans woman is a trans woman. Same with trans men.</quote> Yes. They're different, but not in a bad or good way. Just different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 01/10/18 4:11:25 PM #5:	I don't really care --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif <cite>Turbam posted [p:893784546] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>I don't really care</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 01/10/18 4:11:36 PM #6:	eston posted... Real in the sense that they exist. I don't think a trans woman is the same as a cis woman. A trans woman is a trans woman. Same with trans men. Disgusting bigotry. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:893784552] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Real in the sense that they exist. I don't think a trans woman is the same as a cis woman. A trans woman is a trans woman. Same with trans men.</quote> Disgusting bigotry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not__shawn__z 01/10/18 4:11:44 PM #7:	Haha I was just about to make a topic like this. I currently have one up in another forum. My results so far 16 yes they are 3 yes they are and you're a bigot to say otherwise 12 no they are not 9 no and you'd be crazy to say otherwise Close, but No has the lead with 21 to 19 yes' Another interesting note, is that the people who were supporters of yes were incredibly hostile. They flamed people who thought otherwise, called them stupid, bigot (their favorite word), trolls and had numerous cries to close the topic/silence the opposition I am interested in seeing if the above was an anomaly or not <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:893784556] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>Haha I was just about to make a topic like this. I currently have one up in another forum. My results so far 16 yes they are 3 yes they are and you're a bigot to say otherwise 12 no they are not 9 no and you'd be crazy to say otherwise Close, but No has the lead with 21 to 19 yes' Another interesting note, is that the people who were supporters of yes were incredibly hostile. They flamed people who thought otherwise, called them stupid, bigot (their favorite word), trolls and had numerous cries to close the topic/silence the opposition I am interested in seeing if the above was an anomaly or not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 01/10/18 4:12:46 PM #8:	Mentally ill males. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:893784599] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>Mentally ill males.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 01/10/18 4:13:57 PM #9:	Ilishe posted... eston posted... Real in the sense that they exist. I don't think a trans woman is the same as a cis woman. A trans woman is a trans woman. Same with trans men. Yes. They're different, but not in a bad or good way. Just different. Exactly --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:893784653] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ilishe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Real in the sense that they exist. I don't think a trans woman is the same as a cis woman. A trans woman is a trans woman. Same with trans men.</quote> Yes. They're different, but not in a bad or good way. Just different.</quote> Exactly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi7 01/10/18 4:19:00 PM #10:	If they want to call themselves women then let them. I can't see why people get so worked up about this, is it really that hard to treat fellow people with respect? --- Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you are a trump supporter -UnfairRepresent <cite>Waluigi7 posted [p:893784931] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>If they want to call themselves women then let them. I can't see why people get so worked up about this, is it really that hard to treat fellow people with respect?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amazon_Shampoo 01/10/18 4:19:08 PM #11:	not__shawn__z posted... Haha I was just about to make a topic like this. I currently have one up in another forum. My results so far 16 yes they are 3 yes they are and you're a bigot to say otherwise 12 no they are not 9 no and you'd be crazy to say otherwise Close, but No has the lead with 21 to 19 yes' Another interesting note, is that the people who were supporters of yes were incredibly hostile. They flamed people who thought otherwise, called them stupid, bigot (their favorite word), trolls and had numerous cries to close the topic/silence the opposition I am interested in seeing if the above was an anomaly or not I saw an super large amount of hate in the other topic, so I figured I would at least see where people stood. It's really interesting to see how people feel about issues that don't actually impact them. <cite>Amazon_Shampoo posted [p:893784940] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote>Haha I was just about to make a topic like this. I currently have one up in another forum. My results so far 16 yes they are 3 yes they are and you're a bigot to say otherwise 12 no they are not 9 no and you'd be crazy to say otherwise Close, but No has the lead with 21 to 19 yes' Another interesting note, is that the people who were supporters of yes were incredibly hostile. They flamed people who thought otherwise, called them stupid, bigot (their favorite word), trolls and had numerous cries to close the topic/silence the opposition I am interested in seeing if the above was an anomaly or not</quote> I saw an super large amount of hate in the other topic, so I figured I would at least see where people stood. It's really interesting to see how people feel about issues that don't actually impact them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not__shawn__z 01/10/18 4:23:37 PM #12:	Waluigi7 posted... If they want to call themselves women then let them. I can't see why people get so worked up about this, is it really that hard to treat fellow people with respect? Me not calling you something that isn't true isn't inherently disrespectful, though. I, as a reasonable person, cannot expect you to call me The Rock. If you want to please me and call me The Rock; great. But I cannot be mad and consider the people who don't refer to me as The Rock disrespectful <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:893785154] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote>If they want to call themselves women then let them. I can't see why people get so worked up about this, is it really that hard to treat fellow people with respect?</quote> Me not calling you something that isn't true isn't inherently disrespectful, though. I, as a reasonable person, cannot expect you to call me The Rock. If you want to please me and call me The Rock; great. But I cannot be mad and consider the people who don't refer to me as The Rock disrespectful</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi7 01/10/18 4:31:29 PM #13:	not__shawn__z posted... Waluigi7 posted... If they want to call themselves women then let them. I can't see why people get so worked up about this, is it really that hard to treat fellow people with respect? Me not calling you something that isn't true isn't inherently disrespectful, though. I, as a reasonable person, cannot expect you to call me The Rock. If you want to please me and call me The Rock; great. But I cannot be mad and consider the people who don't refer to me as The Rock disrespectful You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful. --- Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you are a trump supporter -UnfairRepresent <cite>Waluigi7 posted [p:893785604] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote>If they want to call themselves women then let them. I can't see why people get so worked up about this, is it really that hard to treat fellow people with respect?</quote> Me not calling you something that isn't true isn't inherently disrespectful, though. I, as a reasonable person, cannot expect you to call me The Rock. If you want to please me and call me The Rock; great. But I cannot be mad and consider the people who don't refer to me as The Rock disrespectful</quote> You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 01/10/18 4:32:13 PM #14:	No, but I don't have an issue with them. I don't have a problem with them being trans, I don't think they should assaulted or harassed for it, I acknowledge that transition therapy and surgery are probably the best treatment we currently have for their mental health and well being, I'm okay with insurance and Medicaid paying for the transition, etc. But no amount of transition, with our current technology, will get me to believe they are real women. I file them under "trans women" and will use the feminine pronouns as a courtesy, but that's about as far as I'll go. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:893785650] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>No, but I don't have an issue with them. I don't have a problem with them being trans, I don't think they should assaulted or harassed for it, I acknowledge that transition therapy and surgery are probably the best treatment we currently have for their mental health and well being, I'm okay with insurance and Medicaid paying for the transition, etc. But no amount of transition, with our current technology, will get me to believe they are real women. I file them under "trans women" and will use the feminine pronouns as a courtesy, but that's about as far as I'll go.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KazumaKiryu 01/10/18 4:33:10 PM #15:	Huh, poll results are actually accurate. More people are coming to their senses. --- Just your bad luck... to run into me. <cite>KazumaKiryu posted [p:893785696] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>Huh, poll results are actually accurate. More people are coming to their senses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UncleBourbon33 01/10/18 4:33:21 PM #16:	No. --- "Wanting something doesn't make it a human right." https://i.imgur.com/aqrImUY.gif <cite>UncleBourbon33 posted [p:893785704] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 01/10/18 4:33:25 PM #17:	Waluigi7 posted... not__shawn__z posted... Waluigi7 posted... If they want to call themselves women then let them. I can't see why people get so worked up about this, is it really that hard to treat fellow people with respect? Me not calling you something that isn't true isn't inherently disrespectful, though. I, as a reasonable person, cannot expect you to call me The Rock. If you want to please me and call me The Rock; great. But I cannot be mad and consider the people who don't refer to me as The Rock disrespectful You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful. I insist that you call me master. If you don't then that's disrespectful. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:893785709] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote> If they want to call themselves women then let them. I can't see why people get so worked up about this, is it really that hard to treat fellow people with respect? </quote> Me not calling you something that isn't true isn't inherently disrespectful, though. I, as a reasonable person, cannot expect you to call me The Rock. If you want to please me and call me The Rock; great. But I cannot be mad and consider the people who don't refer to me as The Rock disrespectful</quote> You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful.</quote> I insist that you call me master. If you don't then that's disrespectful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 01/10/18 4:34:20 PM #18:	Too many overlapping choices in this poll. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:893785751] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>Too many overlapping choices in this poll.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KazumaKiryu 01/10/18 4:35:27 PM #19:	The Admiral posted... Too many overlapping choices in this poll. Yeah but it's simple to add them together and see the overwhelming winner is NO. --- Just your bad luck... to run into me. <cite>KazumaKiryu posted [p:893785812] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Too many overlapping choices in this poll.</quote> Yeah but it's simple to add them together and see the overwhelming winner is NO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 01/10/18 4:38:37 PM #20:	Esrac posted... No, but I don't have an issue with them. I don't have a problem with them being trans, I don't think they should assaulted or harassed for it, I acknowledge that transition therapy and surgery are probably the best treatment we currently have for their mental health and well being, I'm okay with insurance and Medicaid paying for the transition, etc. But no amount of transition, with our current technology, will get me to believe they are real women. I file them under "trans women" and will use the feminine pronouns as a courtesy, but that's about as far as I'll go. Pretty much this. Though I'm not too sure Medicaid paying for it. But I am married and have no plan of changing that, so I may never have to consider it. But I have not seen any transgendered woman that "passes" (as I guess is the correct term) as a woman and/or hasn't had so much cosmetic surgery that she doesn't look like the cis women plastic dolls that are unattractive to me. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:893785976] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>No, but I don't have an issue with them. I don't have a problem with them being trans, I don't think they should assaulted or harassed for it, I acknowledge that transition therapy and surgery are probably the best treatment we currently have for their mental health and well being, I'm okay with insurance and Medicaid paying for the transition, etc. But no amount of transition, with our current technology, will get me to believe they are real women. I file them under "trans women" and will use the feminine pronouns as a courtesy, but that's about as far as I'll go.</quote>Pretty much this. Though I'm not too sure Medicaid paying for it. But I am married and have no plan of changing that, so I may never have to consider it. But I have not seen any transgendered woman that "passes" (as I guess is the correct term) as a woman and/or hasn't had so much cosmetic surgery that she doesn't look like the cis women plastic dolls that are unattractive to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boxington 01/10/18 4:40:32 PM #21:	yes. --- b-bb-box <cite>boxington posted [p:893786068] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 01/10/18 4:41:53 PM #22:	It doesn't matter what you consider them to be, the fact is, a transgender MtF is literally not the same thing as someone who was born biologically and genetically female. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893786142] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>It doesn't matter what you consider them to be, the fact is, a transgender MtF is literally not the same thing as someone who was born biologically and genetically female.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 01/10/18 4:43:18 PM #23:	They arent Women just because they chopped something of. They still have male chromosomes. --- FFX is the best game of all time. The only good Nintendo franchises are Pokemon and Fire Emblem. Comics are for kids. https://i.imgur.com/LJ3WSyB.gif <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:893786226] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>They arent Women just because they chopped something of. They still have male chromosomes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaname_Madoka 01/10/18 4:44:41 PM #24:	yes they are, regardless of stuff like passing --- Drawn for me: Volkswagen_Bros, ShinobiNinjaX, Popcorn_Fairy + Nayr626. https://imgur.com/gallery/B4o8m League Summoner Name: DontIoseYourWay (the I is an i) <cite>Kaname_Madoka posted [p:893786316] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>yes they are, regardless of stuff like passing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not__shawn__z 01/10/18 4:48:37 PM #25:	Waluigi7 posted... You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful. No. Again, I can insist you call me The Rock. If you call me The Rock, great. I cannot, regardless of my insistence, expect you to call me The Rock. I cannot take that as disrespect. Because I am not The Rock <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:893786513] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote>You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful.</quote> No. Again, I can insist you call me The Rock. If you call me The Rock, great. I cannot, regardless of my insistence, expect you to call me The Rock. I cannot take that as disrespect. Because I am not The Rock</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not__shawn__z 01/10/18 4:49:45 PM #26:	I also gotta say I'm extremely pleased with both the results and the conversation. No one has resulted in flaming each other still. That's great <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:893786572] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>I also gotta say I'm extremely pleased with both the results and the conversation. No one has resulted in flaming each other still. That's great</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunmaN1905 01/10/18 4:50:33 PM #27:	darkjedilink posted... They literally aren't women. DNA tests prove it. <cite>GunmaN1905 posted [p:893786617] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>They literally aren't women. DNA tests prove it.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KazumaKiryu 01/10/18 4:50:45 PM #28:	not__shawn__z posted... Waluigi7 posted... You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful. No. Again, I can insist you call me The Rock. If you call me The Rock, great. I cannot, regardless of my insistence, expect you to call me The Rock. I cannot take that as disrespect. Because I am not The Rock If xhey respected you, xhi would call you The Rock as you wished. --- Just your bad luck... to run into me. <cite>KazumaKiryu posted [p:893786627] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote>You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful.</quote> No. Again, I can insist you call me The Rock. If you call me The Rock, great. I cannot, regardless of my insistence, expect you to call me The Rock. I cannot take that as disrespect. Because I am not The Rock</quote> If xhey respected you, xhi would call you The Rock as you wished.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medussa 01/10/18 4:51:05 PM #29:	yes. we're not cis women, but cis women aren't the only type of woman. it's an adjective, just like white, old, blonde or smart. --- Boom! That's right, this is all happening! You cannot change the channel now! Act now! Venchmen are standing by for your orders! <cite>Medussa posted [p:893786647] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>yes. we're not cis women, but cis women aren't the only type of woman. it's an adjective, just like white, old, blonde or smart.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 01/10/18 4:51:50 PM #30:	Medussa posted... yes. we're not cis women, but cis women aren't the only type of woman. it's an adjective, just like white, old, blonde or smart. lol --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893786686] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medussa posted...</cite> <quote>yes. we're not cis women, but cis women aren't the only type of woman. it's an adjective, just like white, old, blonde or smart.</quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amazon_Shampoo 01/10/18 4:51:54 PM #31:	ColdOne666 posted... They arent Women just because they chopped something of. They still have male chromosomes. What if in the near future we can have that changes as well? Make a change right down to the DNA? <cite>Amazon_Shampoo posted [p:893786689] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote>They arent Women just because they chopped something of. They still have male chromosomes.</quote> What if in the near future we can have that changes as well? Make a change right down to the DNA?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 01/10/18 4:53:01 PM #32:	Amazon_Shampoo posted... ColdOne666 posted... They arent Women just because they chopped something of. They still have male chromosomes. What if in the near future we can have that changes as well? Make a change right down to the DNA? Every single cell in your body? That's some advanced tech. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:893786759] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Amazon_Shampoo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote>They arent Women just because they chopped something of. They still have male chromosomes.</quote> What if in the near future we can have that changes as well? Make a change right down to the DNA?</quote> Every single cell in your body? That's some advanced tech.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 01/10/18 4:53:03 PM #33:	Amazon_Shampoo posted... ColdOne666 posted... They arent Women just because they chopped something of. They still have male chromosomes. What if in the near future we can have that changes as well? Make a change right down to the DNA? There would still be a difference, which is that when they were born, they were not female. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893786761] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Amazon_Shampoo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote>They arent Women just because they chopped something of. They still have male chromosomes.</quote> What if in the near future we can have that changes as well? Make a change right down to the DNA?</quote> There would still be a difference, which is that when they were born, they were not female.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UncleBourbon33 01/10/18 4:53:12 PM #34:	Medussa posted... yes. we're not cis women, but cis women aren't the only type of woman. it's an adjective, just like white, old, blonde or smart. They literally are the only type of woman. --- "Wanting something doesn't make it a human right." https://i.imgur.com/aqrImUY.gif <cite>UncleBourbon33 posted [p:893786772] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medussa posted...</cite> <quote>yes. we're not cis women, but cis women aren't the only type of woman. it's an adjective, just like white, old, blonde or smart.</quote> They literally are the only type of woman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi7 01/10/18 4:53:42 PM #35:	not__shawn__z posted... Waluigi7 posted... You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful. No. Again, I can insist you call me The Rock. If you call me The Rock, great. I cannot, regardless of my insistence, expect you to call me The Rock. I cannot take that as disrespect. Because I am not The Rock It's more like if somebody was named William, but insisted on being called Billy, because they hate their real first name. Which happens all the time and nobody has a problem with it. --- Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you are a trump supporter -UnfairRepresent <cite>Waluigi7 posted [p:893786796] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote>You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful.</quote> No. Again, I can insist you call me The Rock. If you call me The Rock, great. I cannot, regardless of my insistence, expect you to call me The Rock. I cannot take that as disrespect. Because I am not The Rock</quote> It's more like if somebody was named William, but insisted on being called Billy, because they hate their real first name. Which happens all the time and nobody has a problem with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not__shawn__z 01/10/18 4:53:57 PM #36:	KazumaKiryu posted... not__shawn__z posted... Waluigi7 posted... You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful. No. Again, I can insist you call me The Rock. If you call me The Rock, great. I cannot, regardless of my insistence, expect you to call me The Rock. I cannot take that as disrespect. Because I am not The Rock If xhey respected you, xhi would call you The Rock as you wished. Absolutely not. That is your subjective thinking. No reasonable and normal person would start referring to you as whatever you wanted to be referred to. And just because they don't want to, does not mean they respect you any less. I cannot expect my boss, who respects me, to be cool with referring to me as His Majesty. It wouldn't be reasonable, and him not complying cannot be logically considered as an act of disrespect <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:893786812] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>KazumaKiryu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote>You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful.</quote> No. Again, I can insist you call me The Rock. If you call me The Rock, great. I cannot, regardless of my insistence, expect you to call me The Rock. I cannot take that as disrespect. Because I am not The Rock</quote> If xhey respected you, xhi would call you The Rock as you wished.</quote> Absolutely not. That is your subjective thinking. No reasonable and normal person would start referring to you as whatever you wanted to be referred to. And just because they don't want to, does not mean they respect you any less. I cannot expect my boss, who respects me, to be cool with referring to me as His Majesty. It wouldn't be reasonable, and him not complying cannot be logically considered as an act of disrespect</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrNintendo1213 01/10/18 4:54:24 PM #37:	GunmaN1905 posted... darkjedilink posted... They literally aren't women. DNA tests prove it. No, they literally aren't female, that's all a DNA test could prove about it. 'woman' is more subjective. --- Dot Dot Dot... <cite>MrNintendo1213 posted [p:893786826] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>They literally aren't women. DNA tests prove it.</quote></quote> No, they literally aren't female, that's all a DNA test could prove about it. 'woman' is more subjective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 01/10/18 4:56:12 PM #38:	hey guys poke https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:893786917] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>hey guys poke https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female <quote>of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not__shawn__z 01/10/18 4:57:38 PM #39:	Waluigi7 posted... not__shawn__z posted... Waluigi7 posted... You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful. No. Again, I can insist you call me The Rock. If you call me The Rock, great. I cannot, regardless of my insistence, expect you to call me The Rock. I cannot take that as disrespect. Because I am not The Rock It's more like if somebody was named William, but insisted on being called Billy, because they hate their real first name. Which happens all the time and nobody has a problem with it. Because that's different. That's someone's name, which has no science behind it. You can change it with no issues. It doesn't apply, because no one has a problem calling Caitlyn Jenner, Caitlyn Jenner. Most people will call him Caitlyn, not Bruce. It's calling him "her", that is the focal point of the issue/topic <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:893787006] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi7 posted...</cite> <quote>You're right, it isn't inherently disrespectful. But when somebody insists that you refer to them using 'she' instead of 'he' and you intentionally refer to them as 'he', then that is being disrespectful.</quote> No. Again, I can insist you call me The Rock. If you call me The Rock, great. I cannot, regardless of my insistence, expect you to call me The Rock. I cannot take that as disrespect. Because I am not The Rock</quote> It's more like if somebody was named William, but insisted on being called Billy, because they hate their real first name. Which happens all the time and nobody has a problem with it.</quote> Because that's different. That's someone's name, which has no science behind it. You can change it with no issues. It doesn't apply, because no one has a problem calling Caitlyn Jenner, Caitlyn Jenner. Most people will call him Caitlyn, not Bruce. It's calling him "her", that is the focal point of the issue/topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ilfait 01/10/18 4:59:01 PM #40:	The redundant options spoil the readability of the poll. 22 (29%) do consider trans women to be real women. 54 (71%) don't consider trans women to be real women. <cite>ilfait posted [p:893787077] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>The redundant options spoil the readability of the poll. 22 (29%) do consider trans women to be real women. 54 (71%) don't consider trans women to be real women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not__shawn__z 01/10/18 4:59:21 PM #41:	MrNintendo1213 posted... GunmaN1905 posted... darkjedilink posted... They literally aren't women. DNA tests prove it. No, they literally aren't female, that's all a DNA test could prove about it. 'woman' is more subjective. This is the strangest part of the argument to me. For almost all of recorded history, woman/girl has always meant female. I just don't know when this randomly changed <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:893787097] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrNintendo1213 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GunmaN1905 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>They literally aren't women. DNA tests prove it.</quote></quote> No, they literally aren't female, that's all a DNA test could prove about it. 'woman' is more subjective.</quote> This is the strangest part of the argument to me. For almost all of recorded history, woman/girl has always meant female. I just don't know when this randomly changed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not__shawn__z 01/10/18 5:00:32 PM #42:	ilfait posted... The redundant options spoil the readability of the poll. 22 (29%) do consider trans women to be real women. 54 (71%) don't consider trans women to be real women. I see your point but I think the options actually helped the topic. It is rather civil, which hasn't been my experience on this issue. I don't know whether to credit it with the numerous options or this board, lol <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:893787164] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>ilfait posted...</cite> <quote>The redundant options spoil the readability of the poll. 22 (29%) do consider trans women to be real women. 54 (71%) don't consider trans women to be real women.</quote> I see your point but I think the options actually helped the topic. It is rather civil, which hasn't been my experience on this issue. I don't know whether to credit it with the numerous options or this board, lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vultis_Zales 01/10/18 5:01:23 PM #43:	Yes but they have to pass as a Woman. by that i mean they have to be able to make me think that they ar a woman while im speaking with them. i don't and won't recognize a trans women if she sounds like a guy in a dress. --- when someone brings a rocket launcher to a gunfight, you run the HELL home. <cite>Vultis_Zales posted [p:893787213] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>Yes but they have to pass as a Woman. by that i mean they have to be able to make me think that they ar a woman while im speaking with them. i don't and won't recognize a trans women if she sounds like a guy in a dress.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ilfait 01/10/18 5:02:09 PM #44:	not__shawn__z posted... ilfait posted... The redundant options spoil the readability of the poll. 22 (29%) do consider trans women to be real women. 54 (71%) don't consider trans women to be real women. I see your point but I think the options actually helped the topic. It is rather civil, which hasn't been my experience on this issue. I don't know whether to credit it with the numerous options or this board, lol The options make for good discussion points. <cite>ilfait posted [p:893787255] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>not__shawn__z posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ilfait posted...</cite> <quote>The redundant options spoil the readability of the poll. 22 (29%) do consider trans women to be real women. 54 (71%) don't consider trans women to be real women.</quote> I see your point but I think the options actually helped the topic. It is rather civil, which hasn't been my experience on this issue. I don't know whether to credit it with the numerous options or this board, lol</quote> The options make for good discussion points.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amazon_Shampoo 01/10/18 5:02:18 PM #45:	ilfait posted... The redundant options spoil the readability of the poll. 22 (29%) do consider trans women to be real women. 54 (71%) don't consider trans women to be real women. Yes or no was a little to vague, I was curious to see the reasons for the hate or support I've been seeing. This at least helps me see more of where people stand. If anything I would have removed the never if I did it over. <cite>Amazon_Shampoo posted [p:893787260] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>ilfait posted...</cite> <quote>The redundant options spoil the readability of the poll. 22 (29%) do consider trans women to be real women. 54 (71%) don't consider trans women to be real women.</quote> Yes or no was a little to vague, I was curious to see the reasons for the hate or support I've been seeing. This at least helps me see more of where people stand. If anything I would have removed the never if I did it over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 01/10/18 5:02:26 PM #46:	I think they are women, yes. But I don't think someone is a bigot for not wanting to date them though. You can't force sexual preferences on someone, and some people are going to be uncomfortable with that. Suck it up and find someone who isn't - why would you want to be with someone who is uncomfortable with you anyway? --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:893787269] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>I think they are women, yes. But I don't think someone is a bigot for not wanting to date them though. You can't force sexual preferences on someone, and some people are going to be uncomfortable with that. Suck it up and find someone who isn't - why would you want to be with someone who is uncomfortable with you anyway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KazumaKiryu 01/10/18 5:02:58 PM #47:	There's one at my local Walgreens and I'm not sure if it's just a fat man with big man boobs and long silky hair or an actual trans, because this person has a very thick beard! I really don't know how to address them when I go there, I just try to avoid eye contact. --- Just your bad luck... to run into me. <cite>KazumaKiryu posted [p:893787299] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote>There's one at my local Walgreens and I'm not sure if it's just a fat man with big man boobs and long silky hair or an actual trans, because this person has a very thick beard! I really don't know how to address them when I go there, I just try to avoid eye contact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vultis_Zales 01/10/18 5:05:38 PM #48:	Funkydog posted... I think they are women, yes. But I don't think someone is a bigot for not wanting to date them though. You can't force sexual preferences on someone, and some people are going to be uncomfortable with that. Suck it up and find someone who isn't - why would you want to be with someone who is uncomfortable with you anyway? True, now for me i have no problem dating a Trans women pre-op or post-op the only major things that might stop me is there voice. i don't want there voice to be deeper then mine if that makes since. Amazon_Shampoo posted... ilfait posted... The redundant options spoil the readability of the poll. 22 (29%) do consider trans women to be real women. 54 (71%) don't consider trans women to be real women. Yes or no was a little to vague, I was curious to see the reasons for the hate or support I've been seeing. This at least helps me see more of where people stand. If anything I would have removed the never if I did it over. Agreed the extra options would provoke voters into explaining there deciosn --- when someone brings a rocket launcher to a gunfight, you run the HELL home. <cite>Vultis_Zales posted [p:893787432] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote>I think they are women, yes. But I don't think someone is a bigot for not wanting to date them though. You can't force sexual preferences on someone, and some people are going to be uncomfortable with that. Suck it up and find someone who isn't - why would you want to be with someone who is uncomfortable with you anyway?</quote> True, now for me i have no problem dating a Trans women pre-op or post-op the only major things that might stop me is there voice. i don't want there voice to be deeper then mine if that makes since. <cite>Amazon_Shampoo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ilfait posted...</cite> <quote>The redundant options spoil the readability of the poll. 22 (29%) do consider trans women to be real women. 54 (71%) don't consider trans women to be real women.</quote> Yes or no was a little to vague, I was curious to see the reasons for the hate or support I've been seeing. This at least helps me see more of where people stand. If anything I would have removed the never if I did it over.</quote> Agreed the extra options would provoke voters into explaining there deciosn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vultis_Zales 01/10/18 5:07:21 PM #50:	KazumaKiryu posted... There's one at my local Walgreens and I'm not sure if it's just a fat man with big man boobs and long silky hair or an actual trans, because this person has a very thick beard! I really don't know how to address them when I go there, I just try to avoid eye contact. The beard would lead me to calling them a Mr. and if they were offended id just apologize and call them miss WhinyZach posted... They're blatantly not a woman. Why? --- when someone brings a rocket launcher to a gunfight, you run the HELL home. <cite>Vultis_Zales posted [p:893787514] in Do you con... [t:76187127]...</cite> <quote><cite>KazumaKiryu posted...</cite> <quote>There's one at my local Walgreens and I'm not sure if it's just a fat man with big man boobs and long silky hair or an actual trans, because this person has a very thick beard! I really don't know how to address them when I go there, I just try to avoid eye contact.</quote> The beard would lead me to calling them a Mr. and if they were offended id just apologize and call them miss <cite>WhinyZach posted...</cite> <quote>They're blatantly not a woman.</quote> Why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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