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Cocytus
01/08/18 12:40:02 PM
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5 people are stuck on a railway track.There's a rail car coming at them. However


There's a switch you can pull to divert the rail car from their path and thereby save them. But, doing so would kill one person stuck on the other track.
Would you pull the switch, divert the rail car and save the five people, but kill the one on the other track, or just do nothing, not intervene?
*Remember, diverting the car kind of makes you a murderer.
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eston
01/08/18 12:41:47 PM
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Sada_Pop
01/08/18 12:42:57 PM
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You're skewing the poll with last last statement. Take personal bias and feelings out of it...
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voldothegr8
01/08/18 12:43:18 PM
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I'm not doing shit because one way or another I'm getting sued to oblivion, if not outright going to prison.
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Cocytus
01/08/18 12:45:23 PM
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eston posted...
Is there a lever I can pull to make all of them die?

lol, no, but if it'll make you feel better you can let the car hit the five people and then go beat the last person to death lol
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Cocytus
01/08/18 12:46:14 PM
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Sada_Pop posted...
You're skewing the poll with last last statement. Take personal bias and feelings out of it...

It's the truth though.
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DifferentialEquation
01/08/18 12:46:52 PM
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If I was somehow forced to pick a direction for the train to go from there onset, I would save the five people.

However, since the train was already on the path to kill the five people I would not actively change it's direction if that ends up killing someone else.
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NeonOctopus
01/08/18 12:47:14 PM
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eston
01/08/18 12:47:47 PM
#10:


Cocytus posted...
eston posted...
Is there a lever I can pull to make all of them die?

lol, no, but if it'll make you feel better you can let the car hit the five people and then go beat the last person to death lol

It's the only way they'll learn
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ThyCorndog
01/08/18 12:47:52 PM
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pull out my phone and start recording while exclaiming "OH SHIT, OH SHIT, OH SHIT"
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SalamanDerp
01/08/18 12:48:12 PM
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I'd not pull the lever, wait for the next rail car and then pull the lever.
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Dustin1280
01/08/18 12:48:45 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
pull out my phone and start recording while exclaiming "OH SHIT, OH SHIT, OH SHIT"

This is exactly how it should be done in today's modern world....
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boxington
01/08/18 12:48:56 PM
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eston posted...
Is there a lever I can pull to make all of them die?

eston when he was younger

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Vaati_Reborn
01/08/18 12:50:45 PM
#17:


Cocytus posted...
eston posted...
Is there a lever I can pull to make all of them die?

lol, no, but if it'll make you feel better you can let the car hit the five people and then go beat the last person to death lol

can you divert the rail car to kill one person then go start fighting the other 5? i just think that would be more fun
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Cocytus
01/08/18 12:50:47 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Can I just shove a really fat person instead? >_>

There's actualy another hypothetical for that case. You and a big person are standing at the train stop when suddenly some people fall over on the track and will be ran over by the train. However, you recognize that if you bump the big person over too, he'll land on the track and his corpse will stop the train, saving several people. So, would you bump him over in that case?
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beechesfreeman
01/08/18 12:50:49 PM
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You're a murderer either way, since you had the power to stop either.
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Cocytus
01/08/18 12:51:13 PM
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Vaati_Reborn posted...
Cocytus posted...
eston posted...
Is there a lever I can pull to make all of them die?

lol, no, but if it'll make you feel better you can let the car hit the five people and then go beat the last person to death lol

can you divert the rail car to kill one person then go start fighting the other 5? i just think that would be more fun

Sure, if that's your will.
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Dustin1280
01/08/18 12:51:40 PM
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Cocytus posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
Can I just shove a really fat person instead? >_>

There's actualy another hypothetical for that case. You and a big person are standing at the train stop when suddenly some people fall over on the track and will be ran over by the train. However, you recognize that if you bump the big person over too, he'll land on the track and his corpse will stop the train, saving several people. So, would you bump him over in that case?

The big person would have to weigh like a ton for him to stop the train and I'm not even sure that would do it....
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Cocytus
01/08/18 12:51:55 PM
#22:


boxington posted...
eston posted...
Is there a lever I can pull to make all of them die?

eston when he was younger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N_RZJUAQY4

lmao!
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pojr
01/08/18 12:52:13 PM
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If I do nothing, does that mean all 6 could survive?
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Cocytus
01/08/18 12:52:36 PM
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Dustin1280 posted...
Cocytus posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
Can I just shove a really fat person instead? >_>

There's actualy another hypothetical for that case. You and a big person are standing at the train stop when suddenly some people fall over on the track and will be ran over by the train. However, you recognize that if you bump the big person over too, he'll land on the track and his corpse will stop the train, saving several people. So, would you bump him over in that case?

The big person would have to weigh like a ton for him to stop the train...

I know, it's a hypothetical. Imagine small train and big, big person.
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Cocytus
01/08/18 12:52:56 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
pull out my phone and start recording while exclaiming "OH SHIT, OH SHIT, OH SHIT"

Hahaha
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Cocytus
01/08/18 12:54:16 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
Cocytus posted...
Sada_Pop posted...
You're skewing the poll with last last statement. Take personal bias and feelings out of it...

It's the truth though.


Not really. If the people were tied to the tracks, then whoever tied them is a murderer. If they are simply stuck, then it's just an accident. That train is coming no matter what.

If you intervene and cause the death of one person, that's called murder. If not for your actions, that person would still be alive. You won't get hero points that negate that.
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Cocytus
01/08/18 12:55:39 PM
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beechesfreeman posted...
You're a murderer either way, since you had the power to stop either.

You didn't start the scenario. If you do nothing, then you haven't done anything.
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ThyCorndog
01/08/18 12:56:41 PM
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Cocytus posted...
If you do nothing, then you haven't done anything.


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dave_is_slick
01/08/18 12:59:20 PM
#29:


beechesfreeman posted...
You're a murderer either way, since you had the power to stop either.

No. There's a difference between having an active hand in a death and simply letting things be.
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Kaname_Madoka
01/08/18 1:00:12 PM
#30:


Cocytus posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
Can I just shove a really fat person instead? >_>

There's actualy another hypothetical for that case. You and a big person are standing at the train stop when suddenly some people fall over on the track and will be ran over by the train. However, you recognize that if you bump the big person over too, he'll land on the track and his corpse will stop the train, saving several people. So, would you bump him over in that case?

How fucking fat is this dude that he stops a fucking train
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beechesfreeman
01/08/18 1:00:13 PM
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Cocytus posted...
beechesfreeman posted...
You're a murderer either way, since you had the power to stop either.

You didn't start the scenario. If you do nothing, then you haven't done anything.

You have, you've been given the opportunity to save one or five people. Your actions will kill either one.
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NeonOctopus
01/08/18 1:00:39 PM
#32:


Cocytus posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
Can I just shove a really fat person instead? >_>

There's actualy another hypothetical for that case. You and a big person are standing at the train stop when suddenly some people fall over on the track and will be ran over by the train. However, you recognize that if you bump the big person over too, he'll land on the track and his corpse will stop the train, saving several people. So, would you bump him over in that case?

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Makeveli_lives
01/08/18 1:00:56 PM
#33:


Sada_Pop posted...
You're skewing the poll with last last statement. Take personal bias and feelings out of it...

That's the point of the moral dilemma. You let 5 people die knowing you could've saved them or let 1 person die knowing your the one who killed him.
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A5modeu5
01/08/18 1:02:26 PM
#34:


do nothing and ignore it. I don't want to have anything to do with any of this.
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Cocytus
01/08/18 1:03:01 PM
#35:


Makeveli_lives posted...
Sada_Pop posted...
You're skewing the poll with last last statement. Take personal bias and feelings out of it...

That's the point of the moral dilemma. You let 5 people die knowing you could've saved them or let 1 person die knowing your the one who killed him.

Bingo
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sylverlolol
01/08/18 1:03:49 PM
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I, too, like The Good Place, OP.
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Kaname_Madoka
01/08/18 1:04:15 PM
#38:


Cocytus posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
Sada_Pop posted...
You're skewing the poll with last last statement. Take personal bias and feelings out of it...

That's the point of the moral dilemma. You let 5 people die knowing you could've saved them or let 1 person die knowing your the one who killed him.

Bingo

so what? You're being biased and only pointing out why one option is bad.
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darkphoenix181
01/08/18 1:04:21 PM
#39:


Here is same scenario where you are given an out that is highly pleasurable:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76180253
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Cocytus
01/08/18 1:04:22 PM
#40:


beechesfreeman posted...
Cocytus posted...
beechesfreeman posted...
You're a murderer either way, since you had the power to stop either.

You didn't start the scenario. If you do nothing, then you haven't done anything.

You have, you've been given the opportunity to save one or five people. Your actions will kill either one.

You don't have a legal duty to act. You're not a first responder, you don't work for the railroad, you didn't put those people there. Where's the opportunity if you have to sacrifice one?
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dave_is_slick
01/08/18 1:04:30 PM
#41:


Cocytus posted...
beechesfreeman posted...
You're a murderer either way, since you had the power to stop either.

You didn't start the scenario. If you do nothing, then you haven't done anything.

What if you did something that did start the scenario but there was no way you honestly could know that?
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TheGoldenEel
01/08/18 1:05:15 PM
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The Good Place spoilers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDnO4nDA3kM

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GiftedACIII
01/08/18 1:05:25 PM
#43:


What if it was 5 kids on the track?
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dave_is_slick
01/08/18 1:05:33 PM
#44:


fenderbender321 posted...
Cocytus posted...
If you intervene and cause the death of one person, that's called murder. If not for your actions, that person would still be alive. You won't get hero points that negate that.


I wouldn't consider myself the "cause" of death in that situation. It's an accident either way.

Actively changing something isn't an accident.
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boxington
01/08/18 1:05:37 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
The Good Place spoilers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDnO4nDA3kM

great show
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Cocytus
01/08/18 1:05:44 PM
#46:


Kaname_Madoka posted...
Cocytus posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
Sada_Pop posted...
You're skewing the poll with last last statement. Take personal bias and feelings out of it...

That's the point of the moral dilemma. You let 5 people die knowing you could've saved them or let 1 person die knowing your the one who killed him.

Bingo

so what? You're being biased and only pointing out why one option is bad.

The option is murder-to-manslaughter.
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DevsBro
01/08/18 1:05:59 PM
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*Remember, diverting the car kind of makes you a murderer.

This is the entire debate.

Besides, there's also the matter of whether not diverting the car makes you a murderer.
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ThyCorndog
01/08/18 1:06:55 PM
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I don't think you would be charged with anything if you let the train hit 5 people. You would just have to live with yourself knowing you could have saved them and let just one person die instead
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Nazanir
01/08/18 1:07:24 PM
#49:


fenderbender321 posted...
Assuming I don't get in trouble or anything, I'd pull the switch. 1 death is better than 5 deaths.

I suppose that is the dilemma of the question. If you pull the lever, you are responsible for one death.

If you do nothing, your hands are technically clean.
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Cocytus
01/08/18 1:07:57 PM
#50:


GiftedACIII posted...
What if it was 5 kids on the track?

If we start qualifying who precisely is on the track, well things become muddled. You could say there's convicts on there, orphans, a family of five, the President and some other big wigs. Now That would influence the vote.
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