Current Events > Is Satoru Iwata the biggest case of death changing the perception of a man?

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When he was alive he was about as polarizing as you can get. Everyone always said he was moneygrubbing, ignoring his fanbase, and needed to retire. Even when he took a 50% pay cut a few years before he died, people just said it was a PR move and he already had a ton of money anyway.

Now all you hear about is how he was a beautiful and brilliant man, cared so much for gamers, etc. I'm not disagreeing that he doesn't deserve the praise, it's just interesting to me how quickly people changed their minds about him after he passed away.
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Michael Jackson.

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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Michael Jackson.

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I'll give you that one. The man was a walking punchline before his death, then everyone all of a sudden adored him.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Michael Jackson.

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Yuck, no thanks

I want to say Heath Ledger tbh
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Steve Jobs
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sauceje posted...

I want to say Heath Ledger tbh

Don't remember too much about his perception. Can't believe he's been dead for almost ten years, though.

I4NRulez posted...

Steve Jobs

Meh, I think he's seen about the same.
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Chris Benoit
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For the last couple months people were memeing about please understand, but there really wasn't that much negativity towards the man.
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FL81 posted...

For the last couple months people were memeing about please understand, but there really wasn't that much negativity towards the man.

You must not remember it as clearly as I do. There was a ton of vitriol slung towards him.
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? Hate him? Retire? That was Miyamoto. No one likes Miyamoto.
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In terms of CE P2E
Real life Chris Benoit
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He led Nintendo into the worst they've been yet. His death only brought the potential for better, which they haven't done.
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Darth Vader
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ItsVinceRusso posted...

This is because only Nintendo fans are big enough zealots to mourn the death of a Japanese business man who hated all of them who weren't children and only wanted their money
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JFK, easily.

Nintendo fanboys are not known for their rational behaviour.
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Stuart Scott
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ItsVinceRusso posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Michael Jackson.

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I'll give you that one. The man was a walking punchline before his death, then everyone all of a sudden adored him.

That pissed me the fuck off.

For a decade, it was an accepted fact that he was a child molester. Then he died and that became a nasty rumor lobbied against the voice of a generation. Suddenly, every human being on the planet was that one person who never believed the slanderous allegations.

It's like, no, that is not okay. Either we ruined the life of an innocent man or else we're posthumously celebrating a monster. Neither one is okay.

Skye Reynolds posted...

ItsVinceRusso posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Michael Jackson.

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I'll give you that one. The man was a walking punchline before his death, then everyone all of a sudden adored him.

That pissed me the fuck off.

For a decade, it was an accepted fact that he was a child molester. Then he died and that became a nasty rumor lobbied against the voice of a generation. Suddenly, every human being on the planet was that one person who never believed the slanderous allegations.

It's like, no, that is not okay. Either we ruined the life of an innocent man or else we're posthumously celebrating a monster. Neither one is okay.

I saw some interesting clips on this lately actually. I think if Michael Jackson's controversy happened in today's environment, it basically never would have happened. There were clips of the alleged victims family admitting to falsifying the entire thing, but this being the 90s there was no instant reddit viral media to spread that kind of news.
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Michael Jackson's death just feels like everyone was in attendance for a public execution. We burned him at the stake, then we all washed our hands, ate our suppers, and talked about what a great guy he was.

It's like, no, fuck that. If he was innocent, we should all feel guilty for the pieces of tinder we threw on the fire. And if he wasn't innocent, then we have no business celebrating him -- not even to say, "Yeah, but he was a great musician."

Skye Reynolds posted...

Michael Jackson's death just feels like everyone was in attendance for a public execution. We burned him at the stake, then we all washed our hands, ate our suppers, and talked about what a great guy he was.

It's like, no, fuck that. If he was innocent, we should all feel guilty for the pieces of tinder we threw on the fire. And if he wasn't innocent, then we have no business celebrating him -- not even to say, "Yeah, but he was a great musician."

It exposed a really ugly side of our culture which is that we don't really care what happens to people, so long as it's interesting.
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pinky0926 posted...

I saw some interesting clips on this lately actually. I think if Michael Jackson's controversy happened in today's environment, it basically never would have happened. There were clips of the alleged victims family admitting to falsifying the entire thing, but this being the 90s there was no instant reddit viral media to spread that kind of news.

I hope he was innocent.

But, then again, that's kind of like saying, "I hope an innocent man's life was ruined." It's a lose/lose situation either way.

*rolls eyes*
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pinky0926 posted...

It exposed a really ugly side of our culture which is that we don't really care what happens to people, so long as it's interesting.

"We interrupt tonight's programming to bring you exclusive coverage of the O.J. Simpson trial!"

As much as I love the 90s, there really was a dark underbelly to it.

Well I mean at least it would mean those boys weren't raped.
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Calwings posted...

Chris Benoit

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Uhh... People liked Iwata long before his death lol. The bad press only happened after the Wii U's mediocre sales, and people liked him then because he cut his salary in half and actually took fucking responsibility for his actions.

Just because YOU didn't like him for whatever reason, doesn't mean like his famous speeches and actions didn't exist before. And to think we can claim to achieve object permanence after adolescence but the likes of TC prove rigorous science wrong
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I thought everyone loved Iwata. Was it discovered that Michael Jackson was a pedo before or after he died? I don't really remember
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Iwata wasn't nearly as controversial a figure as you make him out to be. There was some criticism but not much, and it mostly occurred during the Wii U era, which makes sense tbh. I also remember his voluntary paycut being pretty unanimously praised.
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SlashmanSG posted...

He led Nintendo into the worst they've been yet. His death only brought the potential for better, which they haven't done.

You must be ignoring the Switch.
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SageHarpuia posted...

I thought everyone loved Iwata. Was it discovered that Michael Jackson was a pedo before or after he died? I don't really remember

Well before.
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ItsVinceRusso posted...

You must not remember it as clearly as I do. There was a ton of vitriol slung towards him.

Or you have a terrible memory.
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Came to say Steve Jobs and Chris Benoit.
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I don't believe most celebrity accusations anyway. There's nearly everything to gain and nearly nothing to lose. I never thought he actually did it but I can understand why people would be concerned. It must've been a wild life, being one of the most famous people on the entire planet.

lol @ Darth Vader
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You people are sick, honestly.

Steve Jobs was always polarizing, people who hated him before likely still did afterwards, or claimed his death overshadowed other prominent technology people's death.

That being said, people almost unanimously agree that Apple has lost some of their direction without him around, even though he straight up said not to try and emulate what he might've done.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

Stuart Scott

Huh? He was well liked when ESPN was actually good.
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Since nobodys said it, try Vincent Van Gogh. He died destitute in a mental hospital and is now one of the most famous painters of any era.
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ItsVinceRusso posted...

When he was alive he was about as polarizing as you can get. Everyone always said he was moneygrubbing, ignoring his fanbase, and needed to retire Even when he took a 50% pay cut a few years before he died, people just said it was a PR move and he already had a ton of money anyway..

Now all you hear about is how he was a beautiful and brilliant man, cared so much for gamers, etc. I'm not disagreeing that he doesn't deserve the praise, it's just interesting to me how quickly people changed their minds about him after he passed away.

who the hell said that? I never heard such of a thing. Everyone saw his passion through the nintendo directs he was involved in with directly. The only people who didn't like him were probably the big whigs of nintendo like the board executives.
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masticatingman posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

Stuart Scott

Huh? He was well liked when ESPN was actually good.

I'm convinced these people have some goddamned horrible memories.
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masticatingman posted...

Since nobodys said it, try Vincent Van Gogh. He died destitute in a mental hospital and is now one of the most famous painters of any era.

Also, Galileo. Not art but he is considered the father of modern science. He was the one to learn that the planets revolve around the Sun not the Earth. He made contributions in many fields from astronomy to physics. His theories were so controversial at the time he was placed on house arrest by religious authorities until he died.

Edit:He also vastly improved the telescope making it possible to see and study space.
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He once swiped a telescope from a kid. That always amuses me.
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dave_is_slick posted...

ItsVinceRusso posted...

You must not remember it as clearly as I do. There was a ton of vitriol slung towards him.

Or you have a terrible memory.

Bro, you can go look at old Wii and Wii U topics that are archived if you want to. He was divisive and polarizing, nobody worshiped the ground he walked on until he died
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Any negativity I felt towards Nintendo wasn't really targeted towards a specific individual. Iwata himself did a lot of cool stuff to engage fans, particularly his Iwata Asks videos that probed into the nuance of game design. He also did an interview with Arino that was enjoyable. Iwata was pretty personal as corporate executive.
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