Current Events > How are there poor people when there are laborer jobs making up to 100k

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Construction workers, oil rig workers, welders, electricians, factory workers and etc. There are literally 19 year olds making well over 4 year college grads and I'm being told people without a degree are struggling. GTFO out of here fake news media for trying to scam us in to debt.
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Because you have to actually work hard to make money in those jobs. A lot of people when faced with the decision between being lazy and skimping by in life, or working hard and living comfortably will pick the former.
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This topic is dumb on so many levels.

Also being a welder or ticketed carpenter isn't "labour". Thats why companies literally have a position for labourers. Labourers are the unskilled people who assist the carpenters or welders etc.

And oil sure is booming these days! Oh wait not its not.
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Why do we have to breathe oxygen to live? -JBaLLEN66
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Americas great again so all problems are fake news.
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More job seekers exist than available jobs

This is why a good welfare system is nescessary
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Rika_Furude posted...

More job seekers exist than available jobs

This is why a good welfare system is nescessary

No, that's why we need a good immigration control system. Lavish welfare systems lead to abuse. See post #2.
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My cousin on why he isn't going to college:"it's just not for me. A teacher said I can make $20 an hour as a machinist."
Me: You're still going to have to go to go through training of some sort for that and you probably won't make $20 to start. I have a co-worker who does that part time and he only makes slightly above minimum wage."
Him: He's dumb that's why.

Now he enjoys the NEET life at 20.
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r4X0r posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

More job seekers exist than available jobs

This is why a good welfare system is nescessary

No, that's why we need a good immigration control system. Lavish welfare systems lead to abuse. See post #2.

Why are you assuming its an immigration issue when it could be lazy white americans not wanting to work and would prefer begging on the streets?
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r4X0r posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

More job seekers exist than available jobs

This is why a good welfare system is nescessary

No, that's why we need a good immigration control system. Lavish welfare systems lead to abuse. See post #2.

Australia has a great (for the most part) welfare system and were fine. Second post is debunked
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This might be more of a generalization than it truly is, but isn't it also true that a lot of labourers are actually hired really cheap because they are so many people willing to do it, it drives the price down?

Also, LMFAO at the idea that welders and electricians are "labourer" jobs. Those are ones you actually have to get an apprenticeship and journeyman certification for.
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Stallion_Prime posted...

r4X0r posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

More job seekers exist than available jobs

This is why a good welfare system is nescessary

No, that's why we need a good immigration control system. Lavish welfare systems lead to abuse. See post #2.

Why are you assuming its an immigration issue when it could be lazy white americans not wanting to work and would prefer begging on the streets?

If the problem is having more job seekers than available jobs, and we allow millions of people to come into the country does that... increase, or decrease the number of job seekers, and does that... increase or decrease the number of available jobs?

Sometimes, it really just is that simple.
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Returning_CEmen posted...

My cousin on why he isn't going to college:"it's just not for me. A teacher said I can make $20 an hour as a machinist."
Me: You're still going to have to go to go through training of some sort for that and you probably won't make $20 to start. I have a co-worker who does that part time and he only makes slightly above minimum wage."
Him: He's dumb that's why.

Now he enjoys the NEET life at 20.

Sounds like he's got it all figured out
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Hard to get in to compared to what? My job recquired a 4 year degree and all that HR barrier 4 years of relevant experience in this in which I bypassed because I knew a higher up.
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r4X0r posted...

Stallion_Prime posted...

r4X0r posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

More job seekers exist than available jobs

This is why a good welfare system is nescessary

No, that's why we need a good immigration control system. Lavish welfare systems lead to abuse. See post #2.

Why are you assuming its an immigration issue when it could be lazy white americans not wanting to work and would prefer begging on the streets?

If the problem is having more job seekers than available jobs, and we allow millions of people to come into the country does that... increase, or decrease the number of job seekers, and does that... increase or decrease the number of available jobs?

Sometimes, it really just is that simple.

This
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WhinyZach posted...

If you work non union you'll probably make a bit more than min wage.

LOL ok
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

Hard to get in to compared to what? My job recquired a 4 year degree and all that HR barrier 4 years of relevant experience in this in which I bypassed because I knew a higher up.

What's that got to do with anything?

And do you seriously think there are infinite construction / electrical /welding / fabricating jobs out there? And do you not grasp the fact that carpentry is 4 years of school and work experience? And welding takes about the same time to get your red seal? And electricians take 4 years to get ticketed too?

And that some people just aren't capable of doing those kinds of jobs for various reasons?
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

r4X0r posted...

Stallion_Prime posted...

r4X0r posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

More job seekers exist than available jobs

This is why a good welfare system is nescessary

No, that's why we need a good immigration control system. Lavish welfare systems lead to abuse. See post #2.

Why are you assuming its an immigration issue when it could be lazy white americans not wanting to work and would prefer begging on the streets?

If the problem is having more job seekers than available jobs, and we allow millions of people to come into the country does that... increase, or decrease the number of job seekers, and does that... increase or decrease the number of available jobs?

Sometimes, it really just is that simple.

This

What about you decrease the cost of post-secondary education through some sort of social program to allow more people to become educated?

That way we help those who need to get new jobs become educated to become you know, plumbers and electricians etc.
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WhinyZach posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

This might be more of a generalization than it truly is, but isn't it also true that a lot of labourers are actually hired really cheap because they are so many people willing to do it, it drives the price down?

Also, LMFAO at the idea that welders and electricians are "labourer" jobs. Those are ones you actually have to get an apprenticeship and journeyman certification for.

Unionized labourers make great money. http://www.liuna.org/

If you work non union you'll probably make a bit more than min wage.

Until their over market demands push their own jobs to China.
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It's been said before, but, and I'll about this is a little reductive, a lot of people are honestly just lazy. They don't want to do hard, physically demanding work that involves possibly getting dirty/sweaty/exhausted.

Most people in America just want that easy desk job where you get to sit down in a comfy chair, spend lots of your time checking Facebook or your phone or whatever, and only really work like a fraction of the day.
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ForestLogic posted...

It's been said before, but, and I'll about this is a little reductive, a lot of people are honestly just lazy. They don't want to do hard, physically demanding work that involves possibly getting dirty/sweaty/exhausted.

Most people in America just want that easy desk job where you get to sit down in a comfy chair, spend lots of your time checking Facebook or your phone or whatever, and only really work like a fraction of the day.

The thing is, isn't that what our parents and grandparents have been working towards their kids/grandkids doing? We've been raised on this outlook that you want a desk job... that is the pinnacle of "working". You don't want a hard labour, in the grime and muck job. That's why you work hard in school, etc. etc.

I think it was maybe Mike Rowe who talked about how in the pursuit of higher education and trying to make kids not have to work so hard, they haven't been taught the value of hard work.
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Topic creator is under the mistaken impression that there's jobs everywhere just waiting to be grabbed up.

How quaint.

Take it from someone who hasn't worked a single job in the over 10 years that I've searched; The drought is fucking real, and there's no sign at all that it's going to stop in my lifetime.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Topic creator is under the mistaken impression that there's jobs everywhere just waiting to be grabbed up.

How quaint.

Take it from someone who hasn't worked a single job in the over 10 years that I've searched; The drought is fucking real, and there's no sign at all that it's going to stop in my lifetime.

tc also has the common sense of a goldfish

Guys I left my food on the counter for 10 minutes. Is it safe to eat?
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Because some of these jobs require 5-10 years of experience even for the entry position
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WhinyZach posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Topic creator is under the mistaken impression that there's jobs everywhere just waiting to be grabbed up.

How quaint.

Take it from someone who hasn't worked a single job in the over 10 years that I've searched; The drought is fucking real, and there's no sign at all that it's going to stop in my lifetime.

There's absolutely no way you have not been able to find a job in 10 years. Unless you've got some sort of handicap.

It's called "not having work experience" and it's been the bane of my fucking existence.



Even the goddamn Wal-Mart less than a mile away from my apartment, during the holiday season, wouldn't hire me for that reason alone. At this point I wish I *did* have a handicap, I'm beyond sick and tired of trying and failing to get a job.
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r4X0r posted...

Because you have to actually work hard to make money in those jobs. A lot of people when faced with the decision between being lazy and skimping by in life, or working hard and living comfortably will pick the former.

This is nonsense. No one takes intensive jobs unless they have to in order to achieve something. In fact, no one takes on any other more work unless there's an incentive that would motivate them to do so. You don't use a wagon over a car, you don't grow your own vegetables over going to the grocery store, and you surely don't consistently cook your meals over grabbing food at restaurants.

Laborer jobs are for people have no other skills to offer. You're not going to take a dangerous job over a more comfortable, less stressful job unless you want to. And take it from me, someone who pissed off my entire family and friend circle for walking away from a $40K salary job with benefits to go flip burgers. Why? Because I wanted to be a cook.
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r4X0r posted...

If the problem is having more job seekers than available jobs, and we allow millions of people to come into the country does that... increase, or decrease the number of job seekers, and does that... increase or decrease the number of available jobs?

Sometimes, it really just is that simple.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

Sad_Face posted...

r4X0r posted...

Because you have to actually work hard to make money in those jobs. A lot of people when faced with the decision between being lazy and skimping by in life, or working hard and living comfortably will pick the former.

This is nonsense. No one takes intensive jobs unless they have to in order to achieve something. In fact, no one takes on any other more work unless there's an incentive that would motivate them to do so. You don't use a wagon over a car, you don't grow your own vegetables over going to the grocery store, and you surely don't consistently cook your meals over grabbing food at restaurants.

Laborer jobs are for people have no other skills to offer. You're not going to take a dangerous job over a more comfortable, less stressful job unless you want to. And take it from me, someone who pissed off my entire family and friend circle for walking away from a $40K salary job with benefits to go flip burgers. Why? Because I wanted to be a cook.

This is the logic of someone who thinks flipping burgers actually connects to being a chef. Bad logic.
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Before I joined the police I was working as a refrigeration tech for my mom's company at 31 an hour

They have a strict no family policy. But literally not one person applied for the person in 3 years.

Finally they gave up and begged my mom to find anyone.

Nobody wants to work hard labor jobs
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I've been unemployed for 25 years. Can't get a damn job!
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ImCallingYouOut posted...

tc also has the common sense of a goldfish

Guys I left my food on the counter for 10 minutes. Is it safe to eat?

I remember this lol
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darkprince45 posted...

Before I joined the police I was working as a refrigeration tech for my mom's company at 31 an hour

They have a strict no family policy. But literally not one person applied for the person in 3 years.

Finally they gave up and begged my mom to find anyone.

Nobody wants to work hard labor jobs

This is totally untrue. There are plenty of people who can't stand working desk jobs and much prefer being physically active at work.
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Had a friend who dropped out of high school and later became a welder. he was making over 100 grand a year but he hated it

CanuckCowboy posted...

This is the logic of someone who thinks flipping burgers actually connects to being a chef. Bad logic.

I was being slightly hyperbolic (I worked at a hotel restaurant with some ridiculously good chefs), but yes, that is also the standard trend for anyone entering the industry. You have start somewhere, even being a dishwasher. Just pay attention to EVERYTHING that goes on in the kitchen and have pride in whatever you do.
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