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COVxy 12/28/17 1:18:54 PM #151:	einegutePerson posted... serious answer: because the constituency their representatives represent voted to make it so, for whatever reason you can look into whatever clauses and reasons they cite, i'm no expert on that In other words, you don't know. Why would you just assume it's for a good reason? Why that number, why not one year older? Why not two years younger? Why does that particular age constitute the line between completely sanctioned sexual behavior and prison? The blatantly obvious truth is that it is purely arbitrary. And it is blatantly obvious because there is such a wide and random variance in the age that people choose. If we're talking maturity and the ability to consent, and we're talking about using age as a metric, then the only rational choice for age of consent is 25, which is the average age where development has peaked. But here's the thing, brain development is not only nonlinear and variable across the brain, it also varies widely across individuals. So, why would we expect any particular strict age cut off to be a rational choice for cognitive development? You wouldn't. Nobody would. But we do because we don't want to think about the topic any more than we have to. Lock up the sickos that do that repugnant thing. That's the depth to which people really think about it. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893011104] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>einegutePerson posted...</cite> <quote>serious answer: because the constituency their representatives represent voted to make it so, for whatever reason you can look into whatever clauses and reasons they cite, i'm no expert on that </quote> In other words, you don't know. Why would you just assume it's for a good reason? Why that number, why not one year older? Why not two years younger? Why does that particular age constitute the line between completely sanctioned sexual behavior and prison? The blatantly obvious truth is that it is purely arbitrary. And it is blatantly obvious because there is such a wide and random variance in the age that people choose. If we're talking maturity and the ability to consent, and we're talking about using age as a metric, then the only rational choice for age of consent is 25, which is the average age where development has peaked. But here's the thing, brain development is not only nonlinear and variable across the brain, it also varies widely across individuals. So, why would we expect any particular strict age cut off to be a rational choice for cognitive development? You wouldn't. Nobody would. But we do because we don't want to think about the topic any more than we have to. Lock up the sickos that do that repugnant thing. That's the depth to which people really think about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
einegutePerson 12/28/17 1:20:12 PM #152:	COVxy posted... Why that number, why not one year older? Why not two years younger? Why does that particular age constitute the line between completely sanctioned sexual behavior and prison? because 17 is the last year before you're legally an adult, and therefore responsible for yourself in the eyes of the law why? because brain development peaking =/= reaching a mature enough level in life to make decisions and be held accountable for them --- im a good person <cite>einegutePerson posted [p:893011173] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Why that number, why not one year older? Why not two years younger? Why does that particular age constitute the line between completely sanctioned sexual behavior and prison?</quote> because 17 is the last year before you're legally an adult, and therefore responsible for yourself in the eyes of the law why? because brain development peaking =/= reaching a mature enough level in life to make decisions and be held accountable for them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 12/28/17 1:20:33 PM #153:	Because having sex with children is in fact repugnant. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:893011189] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>Because having sex with children is in fact repugnant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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COVxy 12/28/17 1:21:29 PM #155:	einegutePerson posted... because 17 is the last year before you're legally an adult, and therefore responsible for yourself in the eyes of the law why? because brain development peaking =/= reaching a mature enough level in life to make decisions and be held accountable for them So 17 is the number? The magic number we should be applying across the states? How did you make that determination? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893011240] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>einegutePerson posted...</cite> <quote>because 17 is the last year before you're legally an adult, and therefore responsible for yourself in the eyes of the law why? because brain development peaking =/= reaching a mature enough level in life to make decisions and be held accountable for them </quote> So 17 is the number? The magic number we should be applying across the states? How did you make that determination?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zodd3224 12/28/17 1:24:15 PM #157:	tremain07 posted... Zodd3224 posted... Honestly it scares me that people try and normalize and rationalize reasons its okay for adults to bang teens. What's next, rationalizing banging kids? Toddlers? Just going younger and younger, its sick. It's not and nobody will ever rationalize or accept banging little kids or babies,dude. Look at Moore, the only reason he's not super arrested is because he went after teenagers yet the media mislabeled him a pedophile. If he were a legit one not even the GOP would still support him. Also, in our reality the only reason adults try not to bang teens is because of the law,look at all the porn out there with girls pretending to be below 18 or actually being below that age. It has nothing to do with the law. Im 34. I dont look at teen porn. I dont find teens attractive. I love women, not girls. And I think most non creepy adult men feel the same. Its understandable to be younger and into other people your age. Its not understandable for adults to be into young girls. Its gross, and a slippery slope. Human beings continue to grow until age 25. Tbh that's about the yougest I would go. 25 - 50 would be a reasonable range. 18... thats just wrong, dont care if its legal. --- Currently playing = Shadows Die Twice beta Fave game of all time = Shadows Die Twice <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:893011373] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly it scares me that people try and normalize and rationalize reasons its okay for adults to bang teens. What's next, rationalizing banging kids? Toddlers? Just going younger and younger, its sick.</quote> It's not and nobody will ever rationalize or accept banging little kids or babies,dude. Look at Moore, the only reason he's not super arrested is because he went after teenagers yet the media mislabeled him a pedophile. If he were a legit one not even the GOP would still support him. Also, in our reality the only reason adults try not to bang teens is because of the law,look at all the porn out there with girls pretending to be below 18 or actually being below that age.</quote> It has nothing to do with the law. Im 34. I dont look at teen porn. I dont find teens attractive. I love women, not girls. And I think most non creepy adult men feel the same. Its understandable to be younger and into other people your age. Its not understandable for adults to be into young girls. Its gross, and a slippery slope. Human beings continue to grow until age 25. Tbh that's about the yougest I would go. 25 - 50 would be a reasonable range. 18... thats just wrong, dont care if its legal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
einegutePerson 12/28/17 1:25:44 PM #158:	COVxy posted... So 17 is the number? The magic number we should be applying across the states? How did you make that determination? --- im a good person <cite>einegutePerson posted [p:893011447] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>So 17 is the number? The magic number we should be applying across the states? How did you make that determination? </quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 12/28/17 1:26:30 PM #159:	Zodd3224 posted... tremain07 posted... Zodd3224 posted... Honestly it scares me that people try and normalize and rationalize reasons its okay for adults to bang teens. What's next, rationalizing banging kids? Toddlers? Just going younger and younger, its sick. It's not and nobody will ever rationalize or accept banging little kids or babies,dude. Look at Moore, the only reason he's not super arrested is because he went after teenagers yet the media mislabeled him a pedophile. If he were a legit one not even the GOP would still support him. Also, in our reality the only reason adults try not to bang teens is because of the law,look at all the porn out there with girls pretending to be below 18 or actually being below that age. It has nothing to do with the law. Im 34. I dont look at teen porn. I dont find teens attractive. I love women, not girls. And I think most non creepy adult men feel the same. Its understandable to be younger and into other people your age. Its not understandable for adults to be into young girls. Its gross, and a slippery slope. Human beings continue to grow until age 25. Tbh that's about the yougest I would go. 25 - 50 would be a reasonable range. 18... thats just wrong, dont care if its legal. Okay so? There are men your age who are attracted to teenagers and it being creepy or not is subjective, clearly not everyone thinks the same as you or "barely legal" teen porn even pretend teen porn wouldn't be so popular. --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:893011481] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly it scares me that people try and normalize and rationalize reasons its okay for adults to bang teens. What's next, rationalizing banging kids? Toddlers? Just going younger and younger, its sick.</quote> It's not and nobody will ever rationalize or accept banging little kids or babies,dude. Look at Moore, the only reason he's not super arrested is because he went after teenagers yet the media mislabeled him a pedophile. If he were a legit one not even the GOP would still support him. Also, in our reality the only reason adults try not to bang teens is because of the law,look at all the porn out there with girls pretending to be below 18 or actually being below that age.</quote> It has nothing to do with the law. Im 34. I dont look at teen porn. I dont find teens attractive. I love women, not girls. And I think most non creepy adult men feel the same. Its understandable to be younger and into other people your age. Its not understandable for adults to be into young girls. Its gross, and a slippery slope. Human beings continue to grow until age 25. Tbh that's about the yougest I would go. 25 - 50 would be a reasonable range. 18... thats just wrong, dont care if its legal.</quote> Okay so? There are men your age who are attracted to teenagers and it being creepy or not is subjective, clearly not everyone thinks the same as you or "barely legal" teen porn even pretend teen porn wouldn't be so popular.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 1:26:59 PM #160:	einegutePerson posted... That's the argument you're making, that 17 is the rational choice because it's the year before you hit the other arbitrary number 18. You know it's a ridiculous argument to make. So why not just accept it. The age determination is irrational. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893011513] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>einegutePerson posted...</cite> That's the argument you're making, that 17 is the rational choice because it's the year before you hit the other arbitrary number 18. You know it's a ridiculous argument to make. So why not just accept it. The age determination is irrational.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 12/28/17 1:27:10 PM #161:	COVxy posted... So 17 is the number? The magic number we should be applying across the states? How did you make that determination? Age limits are determined by fiat. As is whatever shitty mechanism you're proposing. Are you really trying to take the "mine is less arbitrary" position? LOL. Thousands of juries across the nation deciding whether kid diddling is legal in any given circumstance isn't some objective measure. God damn what the fuck is wrong with you? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:893011518] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>So 17 is the number? The magic number we should be applying across the states? How did you make that determination?</quote> Age limits are determined by fiat. As is whatever shitty mechanism you're proposing. Are you really trying to take the "mine is less arbitrary" position? LOL. Thousands of juries across the nation deciding whether kid diddling is legal in any given circumstance isn't some objective measure. God damn what the fuck is wrong with you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--kresnik-- 12/28/17 1:27:32 PM #162:	No. Raise it to 21. --- USA #1 Ajit Pai #1 <cite>--kresnik-- posted [p:893011543] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>No. Raise it to 21.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 1:29:10 PM #163:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Are you really trying to take the "mine is less arbitrary" position? Yes, as trying to measure the construct is more direct than using another variable that is loosely correlated with the construct you are trying to measure. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893011640] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Are you really trying to take the "mine is less arbitrary" position?</quote> Yes, as trying to measure the construct is more direct than using another variable that is loosely correlated with the construct you are trying to measure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zodd3224 12/28/17 1:30:43 PM #165:	tremain07 posted... Zodd3224 posted... tremain07 posted... Zodd3224 posted... Honestly it scares me that people try and normalize and rationalize reasons its okay for adults to bang teens. What's next, rationalizing banging kids? Toddlers? Just going younger and younger, its sick. It's not and nobody will ever rationalize or accept banging little kids or babies,dude. Look at Moore, the only reason he's not super arrested is because he went after teenagers yet the media mislabeled him a pedophile. If he were a legit one not even the GOP would still support him. Also, in our reality the only reason adults try not to bang teens is because of the law,look at all the porn out there with girls pretending to be below 18 or actually being below that age. It has nothing to do with the law. Im 34. I dont look at teen porn. I dont find teens attractive. I love women, not girls. And I think most non creepy adult men feel the same. Its understandable to be younger and into other people your age. Its not understandable for adults to be into young girls. Its gross, and a slippery slope. Human beings continue to grow until age 25. Tbh that's about the yougest I would go. 25 - 50 would be a reasonable range. 18... thats just wrong, dont care if its legal. Okay so? There are men your age who are attracted to teenagers and it being creepy or not is subjective, clearly not everyone thinks the same as you or "barely legal" teen porn even pretend teen porn wouldn't be so popular. Do you know many teenagers? I have nieces and nephews that age. The thought of anyone my age trying to have sex with them is repugnant, and makes you a terrible person. You cam throw around the term subjective all you want to justify it, but that is wrong and if you think with your head instead of your dick I'm sure most people would agree. --- Currently playing = Shadows Die Twice beta Fave game of all time = Shadows Die Twice <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:893011711] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly it scares me that people try and normalize and rationalize reasons its okay for adults to bang teens. What's next, rationalizing banging kids? Toddlers? Just going younger and younger, its sick.</quote> It's not and nobody will ever rationalize or accept banging little kids or babies,dude. Look at Moore, the only reason he's not super arrested is because he went after teenagers yet the media mislabeled him a pedophile. If he were a legit one not even the GOP would still support him. Also, in our reality the only reason adults try not to bang teens is because of the law,look at all the porn out there with girls pretending to be below 18 or actually being below that age.</quote> It has nothing to do with the law. Im 34. I dont look at teen porn. I dont find teens attractive. I love women, not girls. And I think most non creepy adult men feel the same. Its understandable to be younger and into other people your age. Its not understandable for adults to be into young girls. Its gross, and a slippery slope. Human beings continue to grow until age 25. Tbh that's about the yougest I would go. 25 - 50 would be a reasonable range. 18... thats just wrong, dont care if its legal.</quote> Okay so? There are men your age who are attracted to teenagers and it being creepy or not is subjective, clearly not everyone thinks the same as you or "barely legal" teen porn even pretend teen porn wouldn't be so popular.</quote> Do you know many teenagers? I have nieces and nephews that age. The thought of anyone my age trying to have sex with them is repugnant, and makes you a terrible person. You cam throw around the term subjective all you want to justify it, but that is wrong and if you think with your head instead of your dick I'm sure most people would agree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 12/28/17 1:31:13 PM #166:	why is that the law? because the law says so damn, bok blew this wide open --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:893011736] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>why is that the law? because the law says so damn, bok blew this wide open</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 12/28/17 1:31:18 PM #167:	--kresnik-- posted... No. Raise it to 21. I agree --- Currently playing = Shadows Die Twice beta Fave game of all time = Shadows Die Twice <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:893011740] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>--kresnik-- posted...</cite> <quote>No. Raise it to 21.</quote> I agree</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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einegutePerson 12/28/17 1:33:19 PM #169:	COVxy posted... That's the argument you're making it's literally not and you are not a neurologist you don't study this shit and you're convincing nobody that you're some kind of expert at this lmfao i can't believe i'm on the same side as anarchy jubilex for once but i guess i got the guy pegged a little wrong you tho i never paid much attention to you before but man other CEmen have told me about you and rofl --- im a good person <cite>einegutePerson posted [p:893011847] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>That's the argument you're making</quote> it's literally not and you are not a neurologist you don't study this shit and you're convincing nobody that you're some kind of expert at this lmfao i can't believe i'm on the same side as anarchy jubilex for once but i guess i got the guy pegged a little wrong you tho i never paid much attention to you before but man other CEmen have told me about you and rofl</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zodd3224 12/28/17 1:35:25 PM #171:	fenderbender321 posted... Zodd3224 posted... tremain07 posted... Zodd3224 posted... tremain07 posted... Zodd3224 posted... Honestly it scares me that people try and normalize and rationalize reasons its okay for adults to bang teens. What's next, rationalizing banging kids? Toddlers? Just going younger and younger, its sick. It's not and nobody will ever rationalize or accept banging little kids or babies,dude. Look at Moore, the only reason he's not super arrested is because he went after teenagers yet the media mislabeled him a pedophile. If he were a legit one not even the GOP would still support him. Also, in our reality the only reason adults try not to bang teens is because of the law,look at all the porn out there with girls pretending to be below 18 or actually being below that age. It has nothing to do with the law. Im 34. I dont look at teen porn. I dont find teens attractive. I love women, not girls. And I think most non creepy adult men feel the same. Its understandable to be younger and into other people your age. Its not understandable for adults to be into young girls. Its gross, and a slippery slope. Human beings continue to grow until age 25. Tbh that's about the yougest I would go. 25 - 50 would be a reasonable range. 18... thats just wrong, dont care if its legal. Okay so? There are men your age who are attracted to teenagers and it being creepy or not is subjective, clearly not everyone thinks the same as you or "barely legal" teen porn even pretend teen porn wouldn't be so popular. Do you know many teenagers? I have nieces and nephews that age. The thought of anyone my age trying to have sex with them is repugnant, and makes you a terrible person. You cam throw around the term subjective all you want to justify it, but that is wrong and if you think with your head instead of your dick I'm sure most people would agree. This just proves that your emotions are controlling your opinion. To you, those are your blood relatives. Of course you think it's gross to imagine somebody your age having sex with them....it'd be gross to imagine ANYONE having sex with them. I think it's gross to imagine anyone wanting to have sex with my dad, but I'm not about to judge anyone who does so as a horrible person. Its not because they are my relatives. Its because they are immature teens. --- Currently playing = Shadows Die Twice beta Fave game of all time = Shadows Die Twice <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:893011957] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly it scares me that people try and normalize and rationalize reasons its okay for adults to bang teens. What's next, rationalizing banging kids? Toddlers? Just going younger and younger, its sick.</quote> It's not and nobody will ever rationalize or accept banging little kids or babies,dude. Look at Moore, the only reason he's not super arrested is because he went after teenagers yet the media mislabeled him a pedophile. If he were a legit one not even the GOP would still support him. Also, in our reality the only reason adults try not to bang teens is because of the law,look at all the porn out there with girls pretending to be below 18 or actually being below that age.</quote> It has nothing to do with the law. Im 34. I dont look at teen porn. I dont find teens attractive. I love women, not girls. And I think most non creepy adult men feel the same. Its understandable to be younger and into other people your age. Its not understandable for adults to be into young girls. Its gross, and a slippery slope. Human beings continue to grow until age 25. Tbh that's about the yougest I would go. 25 - 50 would be a reasonable range. 18... thats just wrong, dont care if its legal.</quote> Okay so? There are men your age who are attracted to teenagers and it being creepy or not is subjective, clearly not everyone thinks the same as you or "barely legal" teen porn even pretend teen porn wouldn't be so popular.</quote> Do you know many teenagers? I have nieces and nephews that age. The thought of anyone my age trying to have sex with them is repugnant, and makes you a terrible person. You cam throw around the term subjective all you want to justify it, but that is wrong and if you think with your head instead of your dick I'm sure most people would agree.</quote> This just proves that your emotions are controlling your opinion. To you, those are your blood relatives. Of course you think it's gross to imagine somebody your age having sex with them....it'd be gross to imagine ANYONE having sex with them. I think it's gross to imagine anyone wanting to have sex with my dad, but I'm not about to judge anyone who does so as a horrible person.</quote> Its not because they are my relatives. Its because they are immature teens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 1:36:41 PM #172:	einegutePerson posted... it's literally not Then go back and explain your post. You literally said 17 is justified because it is the year before 18, when you are a legal adult. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893012032] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>einegutePerson posted...</cite> <quote>it's literally not </quote> Then go back and explain your post. You literally said 17 is justified because it is the year before 18, when you are a legal adult.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 12/28/17 1:37:55 PM #173:	I mean, I do understand where covxy is coming from, and he's not exactly wrong. The issue I have is 1) most states have close in age exemptions, or romeo and juliet rules, that are specifically designed to capture some of this variance in development and 2) this isn't the hill I'd choose to die on with respect to advocating for more evidence-based judicial policies --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893012098] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>I mean, I do understand where covxy is coming from, and he's not exactly wrong. The issue I have is 1) most states have close in age exemptions, or romeo and juliet rules, that are specifically designed to capture some of this variance in development and 2) this isn't the hill I'd choose to die on with respect to advocating for more evidence-based judicial policies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 1:40:41 PM #174:	Balrog0 posted... 2) this isn't the hill I'd choose to die on with respect to advocating for more evidence-based judicial policies But why not? Because it makes you look bad? That's such a shitty reason to not argue for what is correct. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893012268] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote> 2) this isn't the hill I'd choose to die on with respect to advocating for more evidence-based judicial policies</quote> But why not? Because it makes you look bad? That's such a shitty reason to not argue for what is correct.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 12/28/17 1:41:59 PM #175:	COVxy posted... But why not? Because it makes you look bad? That's such a shitty reason to not argue for what is correct. because there are much more pressing issues and I have limited bandwidth with which to deal with them you're essentially arguing for like some kind of MRI for every case of potential sexual deviance it's not feasible and there are interventions we could do that would catch more unjustified cases of incarceration and/or other punitive measures than that --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893012342] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>But why not? Because it makes you look bad? That's such a shitty reason to not argue for what is correct.</quote> because there are much more pressing issues and I have limited bandwidth with which to deal with them you're essentially arguing for like some kind of MRI for every case of potential sexual deviance it's not feasible and there are interventions we could do that would catch more unjustified cases of incarceration and/or other punitive measures than that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 12/28/17 1:44:45 PM #178:	for an analogy we could stop presupposing that what look like homicides are actually potential homicides and isntead look at them as both that and as potential assisted suicides Im not sure how we could determine that the person wanted to die ebfore being killed, but there are probably some kind of tests we could run that would indicate it I just don't think that is a good use of our limited time and resources in the judicial system, even though it would be a more foolproof way to classify these crimes --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893012500] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>for an analogy we could stop presupposing that what look like homicides are actually potential homicides and isntead look at them as both that and as potential assisted suicides Im not sure how we could determine that the person wanted to die ebfore being killed, but there are probably some kind of tests we could run that would indicate it I just don't think that is a good use of our limited time and resources in the judicial system, even though it would be a more foolproof way to classify these crimes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 12/28/17 1:46:02 PM #179:	--kresnik-- posted... No. Raise it to 21. Your boy Moore wouldnt like that --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:893012578] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>--kresnik-- posted...</cite> <quote>No. Raise it to 21.</quote> Your boy Moore wouldnt like that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 1:46:27 PM #180:	Balrog0 posted... you're essentially arguing for like some kind of MRI for every case of potential sexual deviance There's a reason I stuck to behavior and not MRI. Behavior would be simple cheap and quick, and directly informative. Ask the jury, on the basis of those, to decide if coercion is likely. Same as any other case. I don't see why that's so radical other than it is a touchy subject and people are quick to condemn. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893012596] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>you're essentially arguing for like some kind of MRI for every case of potential sexual deviance</quote> There's a reason I stuck to behavior and not MRI. Behavior would be simple cheap and quick, and directly informative. Ask the jury, on the basis of those, to decide if coercion is likely. Same as any other case. I don't see why that's so radical other than it is a touchy subject and people are quick to condemn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 12/28/17 1:48:26 PM #181:	COVxy posted... There's a reason I stuck to behavior and not MRI. Behavior would be simple cheap and quick, and directly informative. Ask the jury, on the basis of those, to decide if coercion is likely. Same as any other case. I don't see why that's so radical other than it is a touchy subject and people are quick to condemn. on what basis are you correlating impulsivity etc with the ability to consent? Is that scientific? Are there people in their 70s who would score low on that? would you say they couldn't consent if so? I don't see how this helps in practice --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893012688] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>There's a reason I stuck to behavior and not MRI. Behavior would be simple cheap and quick, and directly informative. Ask the jury, on the basis of those, to decide if coercion is likely. Same as any other case. I don't see why that's so radical other than it is a touchy subject and people are quick to condemn. </quote> on what basis are you correlating impulsivity etc with the ability to consent? Is that scientific? Are there people in their 70s who would score low on that? would you say they couldn't consent if so? I don't see how this helps in practice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 1:49:05 PM #182:	Balrog0 posted... for an analogy we could stop presupposing that what look like homicides are actually potential homicides and isntead look at them as both that and as potential assisted suicides I mean, could a defense attorney not currently make that argument in the current system? It wouldn't be a very convincing argument, but they could. With this context, the argument isn't possible because the criteria is some other objective, but not all too related, variable. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893012725] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>for an analogy we could stop presupposing that what look like homicides are actually potential homicides and isntead look at them as both that and as potential assisted suicides</quote> I mean, could a defense attorney not currently make that argument in the current system? It wouldn't be a very convincing argument, but they could. With this context, the argument isn't possible because the criteria is some other objective, but not all too related, variable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 12/28/17 1:49:33 PM #183:	for instance, did you know that something as trivial as a judge's college football team doing poorly is correlated with them giving out harsher sentences? https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2016/09/07/study-college-football-upsets-affect-judges-sentencing to me talking about science in this one narrow range of the judiciary when the entire thing is built on a process that is inherently argumentative rather than scientific seems wrongheaded --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893012748] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>for instance, did you know that something as trivial as a judge's college football team doing poorly is correlated with them giving out harsher sentences? https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2016/09/07/study-college-football-upsets-affect-judges-sentencing to me talking about science in this one narrow range of the judiciary when the entire thing is built on a process that is inherently argumentative rather than scientific seems wrongheaded</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 1:50:38 PM #184:	Balrog0 posted... Are there people in their 70s who would score low on that? would you say they couldn't consent if so? I mean, I'm not outlining a psych battery here, but in response to this question, the answer is certainly. I don't want someone banging my confused and addled grandmother if she doesn't understand what's going on. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893012805] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Are there people in their 70s who would score low on that? would you say they couldn't consent if so?</quote> I mean, I'm not outlining a psych battery here, but in response to this question, the answer is certainly. I don't want someone banging my confused and addled grandmother if she doesn't understand what's going on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 12/28/17 1:52:32 PM #185:	COVxy posted... I mean, I'm not outlining a psych battery here, but in response to this question, the answer is certainly. I don't want someone banging my confused and addled grandmother if she doesn't understand what's going on. are there people in their 30s that would score low on impulsivity etc? would you say they can't consent? to what extent are these measures mediated by things like SES? are you proposing a system that unfairly penalizes the poor? you need to really think about this more than you have imo --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:893012911] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, I'm not outlining a psych battery here, but in response to this question, the answer is certainly. I don't want someone banging my confused and addled grandmother if she doesn't understand what's going on.</quote> are there people in their 30s that would score low on impulsivity etc? would you say they can't consent? to what extent are these measures mediated by things like SES? are you proposing a system that unfairly penalizes the poor? you need to really think about this more than you have imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 1:56:52 PM #186:	Balrog0 posted... are there people in their 30s that would score low on impulsivity etc? would you say they can't consent? Yeah. For example, let's say someone coerces a 30 year old who is on the low end of intelligence, has a high likelihood of being susceptible to coercion. Let's say her testimony makes it clear that the guy was manipulating her into sex. Are you telling me that this shouldn't be classified as rape? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893013153] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>are there people in their 30s that would score low on impulsivity etc? would you say they can't consent?</quote> Yeah. For example, let's say someone coerces a 30 year old who is on the low end of intelligence, has a high likelihood of being susceptible to coercion. Let's say her testimony makes it clear that the guy was manipulating her into sex. Are you telling me that this shouldn't be classified as rape?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 2:00:54 PM #187:	I mean, to be clear, I don't think we have a perfect solution right now. But I do think it is feasible, and people need to be open to researching it. Like, why just throw up our hands and say "age is the best we got!"? Why not actually try to measure what we are convicting on. It would be like classifying a gunshot homicide as gang violence simply because it was committed by a black guy in Detroit. Yes, it's substantially more likely to be a case of gang violence with that demographic, but utilizing that as a definitive metric would be asinine. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893013382] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>I mean, to be clear, I don't think we have a perfect solution right now. But I do think it is feasible, and people need to be open to researching it. Like, why just throw up our hands and say "age is the best we got!"? Why not actually try to measure what we are convicting on. It would be like classifying a gunshot homicide as gang violence simply because it was committed by a black guy in Detroit. Yes, it's substantially more likely to be a case of gang violence with that demographic, but utilizing that as a definitive metric would be asinine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 12/28/17 2:02:43 PM #188:	COVxy posted... Balrog0 posted... are there people in their 30s that would score low on impulsivity etc? would you say they can't consent? Yeah. For example, let's say someone coerces a 30 year old who is on the low end of intelligence, has a high likelihood of being susceptible to coercion. Let's say her testimony makes it clear that the guy was manipulating her into sex. Are you telling me that this shouldn't be classified as rape? Of course that shouldn't be classified as rape, stupid people are still responsible for their decisions. Now if she's classified as mentally handicapped, that's different. But we can't have stupid people running around in society immune from the effects of their choices. --- Professionals are predictable- it's the amateurs who are dangerous. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:893013487] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>are there people in their 30s that would score low on impulsivity etc? would you say they can't consent?</quote> Yeah. For example, let's say someone coerces a 30 year old who is on the low end of intelligence, has a high likelihood of being susceptible to coercion. Let's say her testimony makes it clear that the guy was manipulating her into sex. Are you telling me that this shouldn't be classified as rape?</quote> Of course that shouldn't be classified as rape, stupid people are still responsible for their decisions. Now if she's classified as mentally handicapped, that's different. But we can't have stupid people running around in society immune from the effects of their choices.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 2:04:00 PM #189:	r4X0r posted... Of course that shouldn't be classified as rape, being stupid doesn't mean you aren't responsible for your own choices. So defrauding someone shouldn't be a crime if the person being defrauded is stupid and let's it happen? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893013565] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Of course that shouldn't be classified as rape, being stupid doesn't mean you aren't responsible for your own choices. </quote> So defrauding someone shouldn't be a crime if the person being defrauded is stupid and let's it happen?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 12/28/17 5:43:33 PM #190:	fenderbender321 posted... A 16 year old boy's penis going into a 16 year old girl's vagina. Not a crime. it can be if the age of consent is 18 --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:893025818] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>A 16 year old boy's penis going into a 16 year old girl's vagina. Not a crime.</quote> it can be if the age of consent is 18</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 12/28/17 5:44:21 PM #191:	A lot of sick fucks ITT. COVxy posted... I think age of consent should be abolished, really. why don't you take a seat over there --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:893025867] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>A lot of sick fucks ITT. <cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I think age of consent should be abolished, really. </quote> why don't you take a seat over there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PMarth2002 12/28/17 5:50:40 PM #192:	Eh, maybe down to 16. The main thing I'd fix is I'd make the rules a bit more laxed so you don't have anyone who's getting registered as a sex offender for banging people around their age. Some states have laws like that but I don't think all of them do. --- And as her clothes all tumbled 'round her, I could hear my heart The moonlight shown upon her as she lay back in my bed <cite>PMarth2002 posted [p:893026182] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>Eh, maybe down to 16. The main thing I'd fix is I'd make the rules a bit more laxed so you don't have anyone who's getting registered as a sex offender for banging people around their age. Some states have laws like that but I don't think all of them do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 5:52:58 PM #193:	Scotty_Rogers posted... A lot of sick fucks ITT. COVxy posted... I think age of consent should be abolished, really. why don't you take a seat over there Context, how does it work? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893026295] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>Scotty_Rogers posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of sick fucks ITT. <cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I think age of consent should be abolished, really. </quote> why don't you take a seat over there</quote> Context, how does it work?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 12/28/17 5:59:09 PM #194:	@COVxy You said the age of consent should be abolished. You said there should be no age of consent. So you think a grown man should fuck a 4 year old? Doesn't matter what the fuck your context is; "the age of consent should be abolished" is a stupid ass, disturbing statement no matter how you spin it. --- My waifus Caulifla, Kale and Kefla from Dragon Ball Super and I drawn by da GOAT @MoistenedYouth: https://imgur.com/a/TYhlg <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:893026634] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>@COVxy You said the age of consent should be abolished. You said there should be no age of consent. So you think a grown man should fuck a 4 year old? Doesn't matter what the fuck your context is; "the age of consent should be abolished" is a stupid ass, disturbing statement no matter how you spin it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 6:09:11 PM #195:	No, that is not what I think, lmao. That's why context is important... --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893027153] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>No, that is not what I think, lmao. That's why context is important...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--kresnik-- 12/28/17 6:11:18 PM #196:	fenderbender321 posted... Zodd3224 posted... --kresnik-- posted... No. Raise it to 21. I agree lol if there's anyone trolling in this topic.... Excuse me, but I'm dead serious, here. "Anybody who doesn't agree with me must be joking." --- USA #1 Ajit Pai #1 <cite>--kresnik-- posted [p:893027269] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zodd3224 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>--kresnik-- posted...</cite> <quote>No. Raise it to 21.</quote> I agree</quote> lol if there's anyone trolling in this topic....</quote> Excuse me, but I'm dead serious, here. "Anybody who doesn't agree with me must be joking."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 12/28/17 6:14:16 PM #197:	Looks like the pedos are living up to their tags --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:893027429] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>Looks like the pedos are living up to their tags</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 12/28/17 6:28:36 PM #198:	COVxy posted... r4X0r posted... Of course that shouldn't be classified as rape, being stupid doesn't mean you aren't responsible for your own choices. So defrauding someone shouldn't be a crime if the person being defrauded is stupid and let's it happen? No, that would be akin to saying rape should be legal if the victim freezes up out of fear and doesn't resist. Which is ridiculous. You're trying to make the point that a big gap in intelligence means the smart person is coercing the dumb person. What happens to somebody with a genius level IQ? They can't have sex with most of the population because they're so much smarter! I'm a conservative, this telling people who they should sleep with crap is ridiculous to me. --- Professionals are predictable- it's the amateurs who are dangerous. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:893028191] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Of course that shouldn't be classified as rape, being stupid doesn't mean you aren't responsible for your own choices. </quote> So defrauding someone shouldn't be a crime if the person being defrauded is stupid and let's it happen?</quote> No, that would be akin to saying rape should be legal if the victim freezes up out of fear and doesn't resist. Which is ridiculous. You're trying to make the point that a big gap in intelligence means the smart person is coercing the dumb person. What happens to somebody with a genius level IQ? They can't have sex with most of the population because they're so much smarter! I'm a conservative, this telling people who they should sleep with crap is ridiculous to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/28/17 6:32:11 PM #199:	Nah, the analogy holds, most people who are defrauded give their money away with a smile, only after their money is gone and the promises are too does that smile go away. Much like someone being coerced into sex, only to realize that they were manipulated and used. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:893028368] in Do you thi... [t:76144526]...</cite> <quote>Nah, the analogy holds, most people who are defrauded give their money away with a smile, only after their money is gone and the promises are too does that smile go away. Much like someone being coerced into sex, only to realize that they were manipulated and used.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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