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RAY_LEWlS
12/26/17 5:00:35 PM
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fan357
12/26/17 5:01:16 PM
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Nah. Both are amazing though. But Logan lacks a strong villain.
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Veggeta_MAX
12/26/17 5:02:19 PM
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Nolan's Bat series were dog shit.
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boxington
12/26/17 5:02:28 PM
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fan357 posted...
Nah. Both are amazing though. But Logan lacks a strong villain.

true, but Logan is a stronger protagonist than Bruce/Batman, IMO
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TheoryzC
12/26/17 5:02:54 PM
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No
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AsucaHayashi
12/26/17 5:04:41 PM
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the problem with logan is the same problem a lot of great dramas have.

it's so un-re-watchable while i can easily go through first class/dofp and even apocalypse again.
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_Goggalor_
12/26/17 5:06:42 PM
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AsucaHayashi posted...
the problem with logan is the same problem a lot of great dramas have.

it's so un-re-watchable while i can easily go through first class/dofp and even apocalypse again.


Same can be said of TDK honestly. More complex, longer. DofP and Apocalypse are more pop-corn movies.
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UnfairRepresent
12/26/17 5:15:45 PM
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Logan is crazy overrated. People confuse blood and swearing for good writing.

But the reality is Logan is cliche as fuck

"We must protect this super important yet vunrable person we saved from a black ops lab on a road trip and on the way we stop at some humble rural American apple pie family and accidentially get them all killed."

That's like the plot of 17 action films... Christ that pretty much was the plot of X-men Origins Wolverine. And people hated that movie.

On top of that, as mentioned it has no strong villains and gigantic plot holes

People give it's bullshit way toooo much of a pass because "OMG they said fuck and got stabbed and bled and died and stuff. It's so edgy!"

$45,000 says if they released that identical script with a PG rating and heavily censored with more color, it'd be considered medicore.

Batman Begins is way better for actually being more of an original story and take on the superhero genre.
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The Top Crusader
12/26/17 5:17:12 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Nolan's Bat series were dog shit.


Yeah. Logan was a great movie so obviously better than a mediocre at best film.
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RAY_LEWlS
12/26/17 5:19:50 PM
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fan357 posted...
Nah. Both are amazing though. But Logan lacks a strong villain.

It didn't need a central villain. The movie was more about the end of Wolverine/Logan's journey as a character.

But still, I thought Pierce was pretty badass as the leader of the Reavers.
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Darmik
12/26/17 5:22:39 PM
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_Goggalor_ posted...
AsucaHayashi posted...
the problem with logan is the same problem a lot of great dramas have.

it's so un-re-watchable while i can easily go through first class/dofp and even apocalypse again.


Same can be said of TDK honestly. More complex, longer. DofP and Apocalypse are more pop-corn movies.


I loved rewatching the Nolan Batman movies when I was younger. They're just paced really well.
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RAY_LEWlS
12/26/17 5:26:38 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Logan is crazy overrated. People confuse blood and swearing for good writing.

But the reality is Logan is cliche as fuck

"We must protect this super important yet vunrable person we saved from a black ops lab on a road trip and on the way we stop at some humble rural American apple pie family and accidentially get them all killed."

That's like the plot of 17 action films... Christ that pretty much was the plot of X-men Origins Wolverine. And people hated that movie.

On top of that, as mentioned it has no strong villains and gigantic plot holes

People give it's bullshit way toooo much of a pass because "OMG they said fuck and got stabbed and bled and died and stuff. It's so edgy!"

$45,000 says if they released that identical script with a PG rating and heavily censored with more color, it'd be considered medicore.

Batman Begins is way better for actually being more of an original story and take on the superhero genre.

Logan had more emotion and a more meaningful story than most superhero movies nowadays.

But I do agree about Batman Begins. Probably my favorite superhero movie ever. I just think TDK's ridiculously overrated. It'd be nothing without the performances of Ledger and Eckhart.
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TheDarkCircle
12/26/17 5:28:49 PM
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Logan was great. It is a great action movie, and does some interesting things with the X-men characters and comic movies as a whole, but it's not better than TDK. TDK is simply a better movie, but that doesn't mean Logan isn't good in its own right
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Re-iNcarnated
12/26/17 5:29:53 PM
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boxington posted...
fan357 posted...
Nah. Both are amazing though. But Logan lacks a strong villain.

true, but Logan is a stronger protagonist than Bruce/Batman, IMO


But Joker owns the movie, he captures the narrative and every scene he is in. No ONE in Logan can say that, they are a collective piece that work well together. And I HATE Joker.

Also Harvey Dent and Gordon are better supporting characters than anyone in Logan, including Charles and the girl.
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Cobra1010
12/26/17 5:30:44 PM
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Batman Begins was pretty good.

Dark Knight was kind of annoying with Joker turning into this mastermind, always one step ahead character. And Joker stole the show. But i can still rewatch the movie and get hooked because the pacing of the movie was quite good. One scene leads to another kinda thing.

Logan was very good imo. Its the R-rated serious hero movie we needed for a long time.

Most of the marvel movies suck shit. They keep throwing in these crappy jokes into the movies. And a lot of them are actually bad like Thor 2 and Doctor Strange, Iron Man 2, Ghost Rider etc.
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MrOnionHead
12/26/17 5:34:32 PM
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Begins is far better than both.

Logan is better than TDK though.
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Re-iNcarnated
12/26/17 5:34:48 PM
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The reason TDK is a better movie and one of the best of its genre, because the story isn't about the characters, it's about the heart of Gotham, the characters are just customisations.

And the ending of TDK is one of the best ending of a movie in history. Nolan showed EXACTLY why people like Batman, he isn't a hero who is consumed by his image.

One of my favourite line of all time:

"Because sometimes the truth isn't good enough, sometimes people deserve more, sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded".

And he will plunge into the abyss to make that happen.
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boxington
12/26/17 5:36:52 PM
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Re-iNcarnated posted...
boxington posted...
fan357 posted...
Nah. Both are amazing though. But Logan lacks a strong villain.

true, but Logan is a stronger protagonist than Bruce/Batman, IMO


But Joker owns the movie, he captures the narrative and every scene he is in. No ONE in Logan can say that, they are a collective piece that work well together. And I HATE Joker.

Also Harvey Dent and Gordon are better supporting characters than anyone in Logan, including Charles and the girl.

not Charles, my dude!
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Re-iNcarnated
12/26/17 5:38:00 PM
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I like charles dude, but Harvey had the le epic quotes that can be memed forever.
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K181
12/26/17 5:38:17 PM
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Oh yeah? I disagree.

Got him.
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ReD_ToMaTo
12/26/17 7:23:07 PM
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Logan sucked.
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I Like Toast
12/26/17 7:27:12 PM
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TheoryzC posted...
No

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Darmik
12/26/17 7:27:35 PM
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Cobra1010 posted...
Dark Knight was kind of annoying with Joker turning into this mastermind, always one step ahead character.


The funny thing is this wasn't all that common beforehand. Immediately after so many villains were like this. Skyfall was pretty blatant with it.
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action52
12/26/17 7:28:12 PM
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RAY_LEWlS posted...
Logan >>> The Dark Knight

I don't feel that way but they're both very good. It's a valid opinion.
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XXHornDogXX
12/26/17 7:35:21 PM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Nolan's Bat series were dog shit.

ReD_ToMaTo posted...
Logan sucked.


Lmao, imagine being such a neckbeard that you seriously think either film was actually bad

Both are great and are some of the best superhero films ever made. And Deadpool.

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apocalyptic_4
12/26/17 7:36:11 PM
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Re-iNcarnated posted...
The reason TDK is a better movie and one of the best of its genre, because the story isn't about the characters, it's about the heart of Gotham, the characters are just customisations.

And the ending of TDK is one of the best ending of a movie in history. Nolan showed EXACTLY why people like Batman, he isn't a hero who is consumed by his image.

One of my favourite line of all time:

"Because sometimes the truth isn't good enough, sometimes people deserve more, sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded".

And he will plunge into the abyss to make that happen.


This.

Anytime I hear "movie was only good cause of the joker deep I roll my eyes
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Cornmuffins
12/26/17 7:40:43 PM
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Whyd you get rid of your ray Lewis sigpic
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DarkChozoGhost
12/26/17 7:56:55 PM
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I strongly agree, TDK isn't that great
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Knowledge_King
12/26/17 11:30:38 PM
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Joker alone shits on everything Logan had to offer. So nah.
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beechesfreeman
12/26/17 11:31:44 PM
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logan isn't even quotable

its the best superhero movie not made by nolan but the dark knight is on another level
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ledbowman
12/26/17 11:35:05 PM
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The Dark Knight is more of a complete package than Logan.
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MrOnionHead
12/27/17 6:24:43 AM
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ledbowman posted...
The Dark Knight is more of a complete package than Logan.


I disagree entirely. I feel that TDK got some aspects brilliantly right, but fell flat as a package.
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