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The Admiral 12/21/17 12:15:09 PM #1: |
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/why-dont-63-percent-of-americans-realize-theyre-getting-a-tax-cut-for-christmas/548852/
Four out of five taxpayers will see their bills reduced in 2018, but few of them expect to see the cash. Sour grapes and Trump Derangement Syndrome have this being spun as a "tax cut for the rich" by the humiliated media, when reality couldn't be farther from it. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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That_Happened 12/21/17 12:16:37 PM #2: |
The Admiral posted...
Who doesnt like free money? No such thing as a free lunch. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 12/21/17 12:17:03 PM #3: |
This is the same as when people in red states were vehemently against "Obamacare" but were totally sold on "the affordable care act" because they had no idea they were the same thing. Distrust in the media, while some people like to blame it on trump, is based on a growing list of instances like these where people are clearly being manipulated to think one way or another by blatantly obscuring facts that might change their opinion.
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DragonGirlYuki 12/21/17 12:18:40 PM #4: |
Money in my pocket is better than money in the government's coffers.
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HypnoCoosh 12/21/17 12:19:11 PM #5: |
DragonGirlYuki posted...
government's coffers And spillage. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DragonGirlYuki 12/21/17 12:19:51 PM #6: |
Big government just means more waste.
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Anarchy_Juiblex 12/21/17 12:22:47 PM #7: |
By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services?
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DifferentialEquation 12/21/17 12:24:18 PM #8: |
Don't worry. Once people start seeing increases in their paychecks the left leaning media will find a way to give credit to the Democrats for it.
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Secret Asian Man 12/21/17 12:24:36 PM #9: |
It's true my tax will go down almost 2%.
But that same bill makes my health insurance premium go up 4% unless my employer eats it, which I doubt. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tremain07 12/21/17 12:24:52 PM #10: |
Not to mention it's temporary while the rich get their cuts forever and ever
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HypnoCoosh 12/21/17 12:25:29 PM #11: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? 1) You equate "you" as singular and "rich" as plural but act like the are synonymous? 2) You assume that million and billions "won't go into the economy" TOTAL and utter BS 3) "We think" it's a bad deal. Ya, you "think" and not very hard about it --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Caution999 12/21/17 12:25:47 PM #12: |
The media is literally against the best interest of the common population. Anything for ratings...they'd walk over their own mother if it meant they could write another story about Trump placing THREE scoops on his ice cream cone.
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DifferentialEquation 12/21/17 12:26:55 PM #14: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? Funny how when you're mentioning the extra money you'll be keeping you emphasize that it was the money you worked for but don't do the same for the rich. --- There's no business to be taxed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tremain07 12/21/17 12:33:44 PM #15: |
Godnorgosh posted...
It's a GameStop trade. I think I just exploded in rage realizing this. Fucking assholes sold me a wii for 300 dollars back in the day and the very next day i tried to trade it in for a Ps3 they said they would only give me 50 fucking dollars for it despite it still being brand spanking new! Fuck Gamestop, i can't wait til those bastards go out of business!! You just brought back 10 years worth of rage,Godnorgosh --- I got nothing ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Muffinz0rz 12/21/17 12:41:13 PM #16: |
tremain07 posted...
Godnorgosh posted...It's a GameStop trade. Don't hold your breath --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) FantaCE Football Squad: ELIMINATED. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 12/21/17 8:58:51 PM #17: |
DifferentialEquation posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? This is always a bizarre double standard. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlternativeFAQS 12/21/17 8:59:51 PM #18: |
tremain07 posted...
Not to mention it's temporary while the rich get their cuts forever and ever ... Copied to Clipboard!
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josifrees 12/21/17 9:02:33 PM #19: |
What about the 20% huh? Wtf
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prince_leo 12/21/17 9:05:35 PM #20: |
can't speak for others, but getting a couple extra grand means fuck all to me if it means we're cutting gov't programs I indirectly benefit from
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loafy013 12/21/17 9:13:59 PM #21: |
DifferentialEquation posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? There is a difference between money earned by physically working every compared to getting a check because the stock market swung in the right direction. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadowplay 12/21/17 9:24:57 PM #22: |
Too bad that those tax cuts are smoke and mirrors, designed to expire several years down the line while the corporate tax cuts stay.
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sondast 12/21/17 9:29:42 PM #23: |
If these tax cuts are so great then why do the middle class tax cuts expire after 10 years while the corporate cuts are permanent?
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Ruvan22 12/21/17 9:32:57 PM #24: |
The Admiral posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? So every rich person actually went out and *worked* for all their money? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 12/21/17 9:34:50 PM #25: |
Ruvan22 posted...
The Admiral posted...DifferentialEquation posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? The vast majority of them did, yes. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ColdRainAndSnow 12/21/17 9:36:29 PM #26: |
Yay a few hundred dollars back each family and cooperations get trillions back, totally fair and good for the middle class American.
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thronedfire2 12/21/17 9:39:35 PM #27: |
they probably also don't realize all the services they use that are going to get budget cuts either
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The Great Muta 22 12/21/17 9:41:03 PM #28: |
Perhaps if the GOP didn't want to be viewed as the party of the rich they should do more to separate themselves from it. Which you know, doesn't involve filling your cabinet with Goldman Sachs executives, having your Secretary of Treasury pose with money and his model wife, and other actions which make people distrust you?
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glitteringfairy 12/21/17 9:44:19 PM #29: |
loafy013 posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? Nothing is stopping you from playing the stock market too. It's not an exclusive club --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y http://i.imgur.com/AqR3aeX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vvuUXpp.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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loafy013 12/21/17 9:46:02 PM #30: |
glitteringfairy posted...
loafy013 posted...DifferentialEquation posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? So what do you recommend I invest in with the spare $10 I have at the end of every month to get aboard the gravy train? --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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glitteringfairy 12/21/17 9:47:16 PM #31: |
loafy013 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...loafy013 posted...DifferentialEquation posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? There are all sorts of penny and dollar stocks. If your really interested you could seek the advice of a stock professional to get you started --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y http://i.imgur.com/AqR3aeX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vvuUXpp.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 12/21/17 9:48:02 PM #32: |
The Admiral posted...
Ruvan22 posted...The Admiral posted...DifferentialEquation posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? Do you have some stats to back that up? "Vast majority" would be.. more than 80%? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BuzzyTheCat 12/21/17 9:48:57 PM #33: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? Huh...what is a percentage? I cant believe someone that makes 35k a year gets a smaller break in dollar amount than someone that makes 35 million a year. Im baffled how that works --- This signature has been deleted due to people being much too sensitive about religion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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loafy013 12/21/17 9:51:00 PM #34: |
glitteringfairy posted...
loafy013 posted...glitteringfairy posted...loafy013 posted...DifferentialEquation posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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glitteringfairy 12/21/17 9:53:20 PM #35: |
loafy013 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...loafy013 posted...glitteringfairy posted...loafy013 posted...DifferentialEquation posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? That's a risk you run when you invest money into anything on the planet my man. It doesn't really sound like your interested in actually investing anything but would rather just stand on the sidelines shaking your fist at people that do --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y http://i.imgur.com/AqR3aeX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vvuUXpp.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 12/21/17 9:57:51 PM #36: |
It's pretty shitty long term for most people. But I would assume the tax code will probably be changed again some time in the next decade.
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loafy013 12/21/17 10:00:39 PM #37: |
glitteringfairy posted...
That's a risk you run when you invest money into anything on the planet my man. It doesn't really sound like your interested in actually investing anything but would rather just stand on the sidelines shaking your fist at people that do Sorry, I've just had it up to here in the past when people have said "just invest in stocks yourself then". Like one guy I worked with. I barely make ends meet, and he is talking about how easy it was to get started, glossing over the fact his uncle gave him a $10k gift to start his portfolio like it had no impact on his investments at all. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Capn Circus 12/21/17 10:02:45 PM #38: |
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Perhaps if the GOP didn't want to be viewed as the party of the rich they should do more to separate themselves from it. Which you know, doesn't involve filling your cabinet with Goldman Sachs executives, having your Secretary of Treasury pose with money and his model wife, and other actions which make people distrust you? Uh oh! Looks like one of Obama's liberals did the same thing --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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glitteringfairy 12/21/17 10:03:51 PM #39: |
loafy013 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...That's a risk you run when you invest money into anything on the planet my man. It doesn't really sound like your interested in actually investing anything but would rather just stand on the sidelines shaking your fist at people that do I can understand how that would be annoying. But the plan is to start small and invest smart and work your way up to bigger things. Maybe you should start with the crypto currency thing. Some of that shit is really cheap right now and apparently snow balls quickly --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y http://i.imgur.com/AqR3aeX.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vvuUXpp.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChromaticAngel 12/21/17 10:06:26 PM #40: |
glitteringfairy posted...
There are all sorts of penny and dollar stocks. If your really interested you could seek the advice of a stock professional to get you started Consultation fee comes out to... $10 ayyy lmao --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 12/21/17 10:08:11 PM #41: |
Ruvan22 posted...
The Admiral posted...Ruvan22 posted...The Admiral posted...DifferentialEquation posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? http://www.businessinsider.com/richest-people-in-the-world-2015-4 65% as of 2015 12% straight inherited 23% inherited a portion and grew it DifferentialEquation posted... Don't worry. Once people start seeing increases in their paychecks the left leaning media will find a way to give credit to the Democrats for it. The shills ARE giving Obama all the credit --- Oda break tracker 2017- 9 (4) | THE Ohio State: 10-2 | Oakland Raiders: 6-6 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BuIIetWing 12/21/17 10:12:04 PM #42: |
Does anyone care to explain then why they took away the ability to deduct job required expenses? Such as teachers with school supplies and police officers with uniforms?
Care to explain the Corker Kickback which DIRECTLY enriches multiple senators by millions and Corker wouldn't even vote until it was a thing? How about the carried interest loophole that Trump swore up and down would be abolished? We can go on, but I'm curious about how supporters justify those and still claim that the GOP has the middle class in mind. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 12/21/17 11:38:40 PM #43: |
BuIIetWing posted...
Does anyone care to explain then why they took away the ability to deduct job required expenses? Such as teachers with school supplies and police officers with uniforms? iirc teacher deductibles were doubled in the new bill, not cut --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DifferentialEquation 12/22/17 12:28:02 AM #44: |
loafy013 posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? Ok. So you physically worked for your money and the other guy put his money at risk in investments to grow it (which can also swing in the wrong direction as opposed to the right direction). Why is one better than the other or why is one more deserving of keeping their money than the other? --- There's no business to be taxed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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beechesfreeman 12/22/17 12:44:28 AM #45: |
So in 2027 we're fucked?
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prince_leo 12/22/17 12:48:15 AM #46: |
beechesfreeman posted...
So in 2027 we're fucked? there's nothing stopping congress from cutting them again later on. hell, there's nothing stopping them from changing it all before hand anyway I believe for quite a few people 2026 is when the tax cuts began going up. proponents of the tax cut argue that paying half a percent more in 8 years is irrelevant compared to saving a couple percent for the years leading up to it opponents argue that increasing the deficit is bad and that cutting programs to account for that will result in many people having a net loss kansas passed a similar bill awhile back, you can see their economy to see how it turned out for them --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Great Muta 22 12/22/17 1:36:25 AM #47: |
Capn Circus posted...
Uh oh! Looks like one of Obama's liberals did the same thing. Except they're holding up stacks of 100s. Smh And how did that turn out for the Democrats come midterms? Thanks for proving my point with your desperate whataboutism --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Knowledge_King 12/22/17 4:20:44 PM #48: |
ColdRainAndSnow posted...
Yay a few hundred dollars back each family and cooperations get trillions back, totally fair and good for the middle class American. Yes it is actually. Those corporations MAKE trillions and are being taxed much more than the average family is (total, not percentage). They've quite frankly done more to deserve a tax break than just a rando nobody working family. --- http://www.warwithwords.com He Who Leads: Global Ebook Award Winner:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CE0TLLM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 12/22/17 5:01:25 PM #49: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
By keeping an extra few hundred that I worked for, the rich get to keep millions and billions that could go into the economy and maintaining govt. services? Why are you more entitled to your money than others? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 12/22/17 5:03:25 PM #50: |
prince_leo posted...
can't speak for others, but getting a couple extra grand means fuck all to me if it means we're cutting gov't programs I indirectly benefit from --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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