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SK8T3R215
12/19/17 12:51:24 AM
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http://fortune.com/2017/12/16/elon-musk-public-transport/

Yikes dude had a melty
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SomeLikeItHoth
12/19/17 12:53:10 AM
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He's right.
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Gamer99z
12/19/17 12:54:55 AM
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He's right, but not that his attempt was any better.
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mew4ever
12/19/17 12:55:30 AM
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Most cases he's right. Im still not driving a damn car for day to day transport in NYC though.
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chill02
12/19/17 12:57:46 AM
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In cities, @elonmusk's hatred of sharing space with strangers is a luxury (or pathology) that only the rich can afford. Letting him design cities is the essence of elite projection. https://t.co/gtSVgPkfPo https://t.co/CmCpoIJ5NE

Jarrett Walker (@humantransit) December 14, 2017

"Artisanal transit"! What a great term for transit designed based on elite tastes. https://t.co/6ba8FIiTlu

Jarrett Walker (@humantransit) December 15, 2017

Youre an idiot

Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 15, 2017


I guess Elon posts on CE after all
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I4NRulez
12/19/17 12:58:12 AM
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Public transportation sucks and has always sucked.

I took the bus to middle school and part of college. Its awful but necessary and if Elon has a better solution i would assume most people would gladly welcome it
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Sativa_Rose
12/19/17 1:21:23 AM
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Gamer99z posted...
He's right, but not that his attempt was any better.


He just started with The Boring Company and shit.
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Bio1590
12/19/17 1:23:33 AM
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I4NRulez posted...
Public transportation sucks and has always sucked.

Blame cities for not planning around it for decades
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JE19426
12/19/17 1:29:58 AM
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I4NRulez posted...
Public transportation sucks and has always sucked.


Nah it's pretty good where I live.
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Gamer99z
12/19/17 1:31:39 AM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Gamer99z posted...
He's right, but not that his attempt was any better.


He just started with The Boring Company and shit.

I'm meaning things like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktO6IvLT2eg

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SGT_Conti
12/19/17 2:03:56 AM
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Musk further said that using public transit meant rubbing shoulders with like a bunch of random strangers, one of who might be a serial killer. . . thats why people like individualized transport, that goes where you want, when you want.

I'd love the idea of rapid and affordable transportation when and where I want it, but "possibly sitting beside a serial killer" doesn't even rank in my top, like, hundred reasons why. It's not even something I've ever thought about and I've used buses and subways a lot.
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008Zulu
12/19/17 2:15:45 AM
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If Musk hates public transport, then how long until he gives us all free cars?
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teepan95
12/19/17 2:47:58 AM
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JE19426 posted...
I4NRulez posted...
Public transportation sucks and has always sucked.


Nah it's pretty good where I live.

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SpiralDrift
12/19/17 2:57:39 AM
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So these people think that saying public transit is dangerous is "elitist"?

Jesus Christ... how sheltered they must be.
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Esrac
12/19/17 3:11:38 AM
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Gamer99z posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Gamer99z posted...
He's right, but not that his attempt was any better.


He just started with The Boring Company and shit.

I'm meaning things like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktO6IvLT2eg


Ha. I was about to ask how his Hyperloop nonsense was going.
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Sativa_Rose
12/19/17 4:13:53 AM
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Umm they are making a lot of progress on the hyperloop, and Elon was never even building it, he just put out the blueprints and a few other companies took off with it. They do some kind of student contest at SpaceX, but a company called Hyperloop One is actually the most legit in the hyperloop world right now I think.
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Turtlebread
12/19/17 4:20:40 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
So these people think that saying public transit is dangerous is "elitist"?

Jesus Christ... how sheltered they must be.


no it just means you're a pussy
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AmonAmarth
12/19/17 4:29:47 AM
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I4NRulez posted...
Public transportation sucks and has always sucked.

I took the bus to middle school and part of college. Its awful but necessary and if Elon has a better solution i would assume most people would gladly welcome it


there are literally cities in east asia (all the countries) and some European countries with much better public transport.

even in Latin America their public transport is about the same as NY, Toronto, etc.

In Toronto they just built 6 or 8 subway stations (just 1 line) taking them 30 years.
The population has gone way up, and other than that their are massive problems.
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nicklebro
12/19/17 4:40:10 AM
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If you spend enough time in a place like new York and see one too many subway jerkers you'll feel the same way. Hell even in Hawaii, where I'm from, they have amazing public transportation, but they also give all the mental patients free bus passes so it's a damn freak show depending on where you're going.
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SpiralDrift
12/19/17 4:40:55 AM
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Meanwhile in the SF bay area robberies and assaults are at an all-time high on BART trains with zero security, flash mob thefts, piss-stained platforms, piss-covered train floors, people actually smoking inside the trains and an impending fare hike while a janitor made 270,000 a year though he was caught by news people sleeping on the job.
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knutjob
12/19/17 4:44:49 AM
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I enjoy public transport.
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SpiralDrift
12/19/17 4:45:43 AM
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Turtlebread posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
So these people think that saying public transit is dangerous is "elitist"?

Jesus Christ... how sheltered they must be.


no it just means you're a pussy

In other words you're also sheltered.
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Rika_Furude
12/19/17 4:47:18 AM
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apolloooo
12/19/17 4:47:19 AM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
He's right.

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Turtlebread
12/19/17 4:58:38 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
Turtlebread posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
So these people think that saying public transit is dangerous is "elitist"?

Jesus Christ... how sheltered they must be.


no it just means you're a pussy

In other words you're also sheltered.


does using public transport more often than private forms of tranport make you sheltered? I thought it'd do the opposite
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SpiralDrift
12/19/17 5:03:56 AM
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Turtlebread posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
Turtlebread posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
So these people think that saying public transit is dangerous is "elitist"?

Jesus Christ... how sheltered they must be.


no it just means you're a pussy

In other words you're also sheltered.


does using public transport more often than private forms of tranport make you sheltered? I thought it'd do the opposite

It's better in some places, worse in others. Where I live it's one of the worst in the country. Maybe it's different where you are.
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Turtlebread
12/19/17 5:09:12 AM
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you're right I apologize
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FLUFFYGERM
12/19/17 5:09:25 AM
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chill02 posted...
I guess Elon posts on CE after all


he actually does once in a while
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Lorenzo_2003
12/19/17 5:56:13 AM
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Public transport sucks. Nobody should be surprised by this because its a system meant to accommodate mass amounts of people in a routine way. When you add in all the crazy, dirty and sometimes hostile fucks you have to ride with, theres just no way you can describe it as more than tolerable. But you get what you pay for. If Elon Musk can come up with a better solution, more power to him.
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Maruame
12/19/17 6:06:34 AM
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I guess I'm the only person who doesn't own a car and relies on public transportation in order to get to work. Yea it sucks, but that's the price you pay for cheap, affordable transportation. If you're low income or not too far off from the poverty line you can't afford a cab or UBER to work everyday.

"In other words, the way transit uses space efficiently is through crowding. This reaches a limit when people stop being willing to ride. But Musk is back at the Yogi Berra fallacy: "Nobody'll use transit because it's too crowded." - Jarret Walker, Public transit policy consultant
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NinjaBreakfast
12/19/17 6:09:19 AM
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Weird rich dude hates public services, what a surprise!!!
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DawkinsNumber4
12/19/17 6:24:17 AM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Umm they are making a lot of progress on the hyperloop, and Elon was never even building it, he just put out the blueprints and a few other companies took off with it. They do some kind of student contest at SpaceX, but a company called Hyperloop One is actually the most legit in the hyperloop world right now I think.


On CE they often project a false sense of superiority when in reality they are full of shit and talking trash about things they do not understand in the slightest.
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SGT_Conti
12/19/17 6:35:44 AM
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AmonAmarth posted...
Toronto

Six stops isn't going to make Toronto's subway not shit. It's a step in the right direction though.

Now, Hong Kong, that has some fucking amazing public transportation options and its extremely cheap. Possible because it's such a densely populated city, but it's pretty much the standard I hold everything up to.
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12amMadman
12/19/17 6:55:18 AM
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I'm not rich and public transit fucking sucks
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nevershine
12/19/17 6:56:04 AM
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#Rekt
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GOATSLAYER
12/19/17 7:01:15 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
So these people think that saying public transit is dangerous is "elitist"?

Jesus Christ... how sheltered they must be.

It's not dangerous. It's just slow and smells like piss
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SpiralDrift
12/19/17 7:12:17 AM
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GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
So these people think that saying public transit is dangerous is "elitist"?

Jesus Christ... how sheltered they must be.

It's not dangerous. It's just slow and smells like piss

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-stabbed-woman-beaten-in-Hayward-BART-Station-12438969.php
This happened like yesterday and was just the first one in my local news feed. There's a new incident every couple of days here.
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GOATSLAYER
12/19/17 7:13:59 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
So these people think that saying public transit is dangerous is "elitist"?

Jesus Christ... how sheltered they must be.

It's not dangerous. It's just slow and smells like piss

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-stabbed-woman-beaten-in-Hayward-BART-Station-12438969.php
This happened like yesterday and was just the first one in my local news feed. There's a new incident every couple of days here.

Your anecdotal evidence about public transportation in your city doesn't prove that all public transportation is dangerous
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SpiralDrift
12/19/17 7:19:02 AM
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GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
So these people think that saying public transit is dangerous is "elitist"?

Jesus Christ... how sheltered they must be.

It's not dangerous. It's just slow and smells like piss

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-stabbed-woman-beaten-in-Hayward-BART-Station-12438969.php
This happened like yesterday and was just the first one in my local news feed. There's a new incident every couple of days here.

Your anecdotal evidence about public transportation in your city doesn't prove that all public transportation is dangerous

Except I was never trying to prove that all public transportation is dangerous. You weren't trying to say that all public transportation is safe either, right?
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GOATSLAYER
12/19/17 7:19:46 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
So these people think that saying public transit is dangerous is "elitist"?

Jesus Christ... how sheltered they must be.

It's not dangerous. It's just slow and smells like piss

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-stabbed-woman-beaten-in-Hayward-BART-Station-12438969.php
This happened like yesterday and was just the first one in my local news feed. There's a new incident every couple of days here.

Your anecdotal evidence about public transportation in your city doesn't prove that all public transportation is dangerous

Except I was never trying to prove that all public transportation is dangerous. You weren't trying to say that all public transportation is safe either, right?

I was saying in general that it's safe. What was your point then?
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SGT_Conti
12/19/17 7:19:59 AM
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SpiralDrift posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
SpiralDrift posted...
So these people think that saying public transit is dangerous is "elitist"?

Jesus Christ... how sheltered they must be.

It's not dangerous. It's just slow and smells like piss

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-stabbed-woman-beaten-in-Hayward-BART-Station-12438969.php
This happened like yesterday and was just the first one in my local news feed. There's a new incident every couple of days here.

Is that really any more dangerous than private transportation though? How many road rage incidents or car accidents are there daily?
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SpiralDrift
12/19/17 7:30:14 AM
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SGT_Conti posted...
Is that really any more dangerous than private transportation though? How many road rage incidents or car accidents are there daily?

No idea, but this isn't about driving safety.

GOATSLAYER posted...
I was saying in general that it's safe. What was your point then?

Musk's initial statement could be interpreted as "ALL public transit is dangerous", but if we want to be reasonable we could allow for exceptions since he didn't explicitly rule them out. There's no reason to take either his or my statements as immutable truths.
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Anteaterking
12/19/17 11:35:54 AM
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The articles are interesting. This is perhaps the area where people like Musk/Jobs/etc. most misapply their genius, is by finding a solution to the "wrong problem". As the author wrote, the main thing holding public transit back is not engineering, but geometry.
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MacadamianNut3
12/19/17 11:47:27 AM
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Pot meet kettle
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teepan95
12/19/17 11:52:35 AM
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Tag for later
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Balrog0
12/19/17 11:53:16 AM
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http://www.governing.com/commentary/gov-elon-musk-tunnels-los-angeles.html
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Balrog0
12/19/17 11:54:04 AM
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https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2016/7/27/does-elon-musk-understand-urban-geometry
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Questionmarktarius
12/19/17 11:59:31 AM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
But you get what you pay for.

Well there's your solution: $1500 bus passes.
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averagejoel
12/19/17 12:00:10 PM
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Elon Musk is a fucking knockoff superman villain and his name sounds like a cologne used by the nazis

why anyone takes him seriously on the subject of public transportation is beyond me
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