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TheCyborgNinja
12/18/17 6:58:54 PM
#151:


SuperNamekGod posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Blame places like Berkeley and ugly, chair-destroying (literally) bitches like my high school history teacher that condoned Stalin's purges.
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 6:59:53 PM
#152:


TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Blame places like Berkeley and 500lbs bitches like my high school history teacher than literally condoned Stalin's purges.

Jfc are campuses really that fuckin backwards? @TheCyborgNinja
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 7:00:11 PM
#153:


Paper_Okami posted...
The extra judicial executions are abhorrent and wrong


And they happen in EVERY instance of Communism ever implemented. The ideology is critically flawed, and the result is that every communist government is effectively an oppressive dictatorship that crushes the will of the people, grinds industry to a halt, and kills anyone who speaks out. To call the ideology itself not-genocidal is to forget that the ruling class has to be wiped out for it to start, vocal opponents have to be (repeatedly) silenced to keep the peace, and mass poverty occasionally has to result in whole towns vanishing to keep up the illusion of health and wellness.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 7:01:49 PM
#154:


s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The extra judicial executions are abhorrent and wrong


And they happen in EVERY instance of Communism ever implemented. The ideology is critically flawed, and the result is that every communist government is effectively an oppressive dictatorship that crushes the will of the people, grinds industry to a halt, and kills anyone who speaks out. To call the ideology itself not-genocidal is to forget that the ruling class has to be wiped out for it to start, vocal opponents have to be (repeatedly) silenced to keep the peace, and mass poverty occasionally has to result in whole towns vanishing to keep up the illusion of health and wellness.


The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.

TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Blame places like Berkeley and ugly, chair-destroying (literally) bitches like my high school history teacher that condoned Stalin's purges.


Nobody worth noting defends Stalin.
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 7:02:46 PM
#155:


Paper_Okami posted...
The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.


Non-sequitur. If you've got no counter argument just say so, or stop replying. "X is just as bad as Y" is never a justification for, nor is it proof that, Y works.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 7:03:27 PM
#156:


s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.


Non-sequitur. If you've got no counter argument just say so, or stop replying. "X is just as bad as Y" is never a justification for, nor is it proof that, Y works.


Yeah realize the only reason Fidel took over is because the U.S fucking backed a dictator.
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TheCyborgNinja
12/18/17 7:03:53 PM
#157:


SuperNamekGod posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Blame places like Berkeley and 500lbs bitches like my high school history teacher than literally condoned Stalin's purges.

Jfc are campuses really that fuckin backwards? @TheCyborgNinja

She would always smile talking about him specifically and sugarcoat any communist atrocities, Stalin's or otherwise and justify them as necessary (even Mao, though Pol Pot got breezed over a bit). I'm not joking. The worst part is she got promoted to vice principal after I left, apparently... I called to complain because kids wearing the school's gym clothes were throwing rocks at cars driving by the school and she just got all pissed off with me for reporting it.... Stuff like that are why I have no remorse about laughing whenever she'd break a chair or stool and look like a turtle on its back.
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 7:04:32 PM
#158:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.


Non-sequitur. If you've got no counter argument just say so, or stop replying. "X is just as bad as Y" is never a justification for, nor is it proof that, Y works.


Yeah realize the only reason Fidel took over is because the U.S fucking backed a dictator.

you just proved his point
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 7:04:56 PM
#159:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.


Non-sequitur. If you've got no counter argument just say so, or stop replying. "X is just as bad as Y" is never a justification for, nor is it proof that, Y works.


Yeah realize the only reason Fidel took over is because the U.S fucking backed a dictator.


Non-sequitur. You still have yet to provide an example of a communist government that didn't result in spectacular failure for the nation, and a massive pile of bodies in its wake.
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 7:05:49 PM
#160:


TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Blame places like Berkeley and 500lbs bitches like my high school history teacher than literally condoned Stalin's purges.

Jfc are campuses really that fuckin backwards? @TheCyborgNinja

She would always smile talking about him specifically and sugarcoat any communist atrocities, Stalin's or otherwise and justify them as necessary. I'm not joking. The worst part is she got promoted to vice principal after I left, apparently... I called to complain because kids wearing the school's gym clothes were throwing rocks at cars driving by the school and she just got all pissed off with me for reporting it.... Stuff like that are why I have no remorse about laughing whenever she'd break a chair or stool and look like a turtle on its back.

How exactly could she sugarcoat mass executions, forced labor, and other communist bullshit? Did she call the innocents involved enemies of the state or some shit?
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ThanksUglyGod
12/18/17 7:05:52 PM
#161:


s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.


Non-sequitur. If you've got no counter argument just say so, or stop replying. "X is just as bad as Y" is never a justification for, nor is it proof that, Y works.

Who here is saying communism works? We're just saying it isn't as bad as fascism.
And you really can't just use a death toll to decide what's bad or isn't. Billions of people have been killed in the name of religion, that doesn't make religion as bad as fascism either.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 7:05:52 PM
#162:


SuperNamekGod posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.


Non-sequitur. If you've got no counter argument just say so, or stop replying. "X is just as bad as Y" is never a justification for, nor is it proof that, Y works.


Yeah realize the only reason Fidel took over is because the U.S fucking backed a dictator.

you just proved his point


not really. The U.S supporting dictators has caused a lot of death and destruction. In the 50s Iran had a very liberal democratically elected leader and the U.S overthrew him and look at Iran today. Each action doesn't happen in a vacuum.
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 7:07:26 PM
#163:


Paper_Okami posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.


Non-sequitur. If you've got no counter argument just say so, or stop replying. "X is just as bad as Y" is never a justification for, nor is it proof that, Y works.


Yeah realize the only reason Fidel took over is because the U.S fucking backed a dictator.

you just proved his point


not really. The U.S supporting dictators has caused a lot of death and destruction. In the 50s Iran had a very liberal democratically elected leader and the U.S overthrew him and look at Iran today. Each action doesn't happen in a vacuum.

You're missing the point. We aren't talking about bad actions from the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 7:08:13 PM
#164:


SuperNamekGod posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.


Non-sequitur. If you've got no counter argument just say so, or stop replying. "X is just as bad as Y" is never a justification for, nor is it proof that, Y works.


Yeah realize the only reason Fidel took over is because the U.S fucking backed a dictator.

you just proved his point


not really. The U.S supporting dictators has caused a lot of death and destruction. In the 50s Iran had a very liberal democratically elected leader and the U.S overthrew him and look at Iran today. Each action doesn't happen in a vacuum.

You're missing the point. We aren't talking about the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.


You have not proved communism is an inherently genocidal ideology.

Find something in Marx that suggests it is, and get back to me.
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 7:10:44 PM
#165:


ThanksUglyGod posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.


Non-sequitur. If you've got no counter argument just say so, or stop replying. "X is just as bad as Y" is never a justification for, nor is it proof that, Y works.

Who here is saying communism works? We're just saying it isn't as bad as fascism.
And you really can't just use a death toll to decide what's bad or isn't. Billions of people have been killed in the name of religion, that doesn't make religion as bad as fascism either.

Yeah those religions tend to have obscure passages in their holy books that aren't looked at or practiced by the general public, but still exist and is where they tend to stem from.
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 7:11:06 PM
#166:


SuperNamekGod posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.


Non-sequitur. If you've got no counter argument just say so, or stop replying. "X is just as bad as Y" is never a justification for, nor is it proof that, Y works.


Yeah realize the only reason Fidel took over is because the U.S fucking backed a dictator.

you just proved his point


not really. The U.S supporting dictators has caused a lot of death and destruction. In the 50s Iran had a very liberal democratically elected leader and the U.S overthrew him and look at Iran today. Each action doesn't happen in a vacuum.

You're missing the point. We aren't talking about bad actions from the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.


Ah but see he doesn't miss the point, it's the standard excuse. Every failed instance of Communism is somehow blamed on outside intervention. It's how Communists get away with hand waving the fact that every implementation ever has failed. It's just another excuse, in a long line of excuses, meant to hide the fact that it just doesn't work.
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 7:12:26 PM
#167:


Paper_Okami posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
The U.S does the same shit all the time, so don't pretend like we are any better.


Non-sequitur. If you've got no counter argument just say so, or stop replying. "X is just as bad as Y" is never a justification for, nor is it proof that, Y works.


Yeah realize the only reason Fidel took over is because the U.S fucking backed a dictator.

you just proved his point


not really. The U.S supporting dictators has caused a lot of death and destruction. In the 50s Iran had a very liberal democratically elected leader and the U.S overthrew him and look at Iran today. Each action doesn't happen in a vacuum.

You're missing the point. We aren't talking about the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.


You have not proved communism is an inherently genocidal ideology.

Find something in Marx that suggests it is, and get back to me.

Dont get why you're asking me to find that I wasn't debating you on this, the sonic guy was, i'm just telling you're trying to pull this dishonest method of deflection by throwing out facts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand you were discussing with him.
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TheCyborgNinja
12/18/17 7:12:38 PM
#168:


SuperNamekGod posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Blame places like Berkeley and 500lbs bitches like my high school history teacher than literally condoned Stalin's purges.

Jfc are campuses really that fuckin backwards? @TheCyborgNinja

She would always smile talking about him specifically and sugarcoat any communist atrocities, Stalin's or otherwise and justify them as necessary. I'm not joking. The worst part is she got promoted to vice principal after I left, apparently... I called to complain because kids wearing the school's gym clothes were throwing rocks at cars driving by the school and she just got all pissed off with me for reporting it.... Stuff like that are why I have no remorse about laughing whenever she'd break a chair or stool and look like a turtle on its back.

How exactly could she sugarcoat mass executions, forced labor, and other communist bullshit? Did she call the innocents involved enemies of the state or some shit?

She chose her words very selectively... She'd never mention anything to do with killing in the purges, she'd just say things like "Stalin's five-year plans allowed the USSR to rapidly develop their infrastructure to be ready for inevitable conflict with Germany. Uncooperative people would be sent to Siberia to work there in labour camps. Some purges occurred and they had mock trials for dissidents, but this helped Stalin's agenda to ultimately be successful" and so on. She basically made it sound like if anything had been handled any differently, the Nazis would've won. I can't remember word for word, as it was a long-ass time ago now, but that's sort of how she'd frame things. Mao got it pretty easy too. She literally didn't say anything negative about him.
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averagejoel
12/18/17 7:13:07 PM
#169:


SuperNamekGod posted...
You're missing the point. We aren't talking about bad actions from the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.

it's literally impossible to divorce the failures of socialism from american imperialism.
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The Great Muta 22
12/18/17 7:13:21 PM
#170:


I just want to point out that dude who got massively pissed over the image that Admiral posted where I questioned the validity because it's a fucking pasted together image out of Microsoft Paint quality putting everything together and while it may be true that's not indicative of facts.

That guy, he mad
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 7:16:02 PM
#171:


TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Blame places like Berkeley and 500lbs bitches like my high school history teacher than literally condoned Stalin's purges.

Jfc are campuses really that fuckin backwards? @TheCyborgNinja

She would always smile talking about him specifically and sugarcoat any communist atrocities, Stalin's or otherwise and justify them as necessary. I'm not joking. The worst part is she got promoted to vice principal after I left, apparently... I called to complain because kids wearing the school's gym clothes were throwing rocks at cars driving by the school and she just got all pissed off with me for reporting it.... Stuff like that are why I have no remorse about laughing whenever she'd break a chair or stool and look like a turtle on its back.

How exactly could she sugarcoat mass executions, forced labor, and other communist bullshit? Did she call the innocents involved enemies of the state or some shit?

She chose her words very selectively... She'd never mention anything to do with killing in the purges, she'd just say things like "Stalin's five-year plans allowed the USSR to rapidly develop their infrastructure to be ready for inevitable conflict with Germany. Uncooperative people would be sent to Siberia to work there in labour camps. Some purges occurred and they had mock trials for dissidents, but this helped Stalin's agenda to ultimately be successful" and so on. She basically made it sound like if anything had been handled any differently, the Nazis would've won. I can't remember word for word, as it was a long-ass time ago now, but that's sort of how she'd frame things. Mao got it pretty easy too. She literally didn't say anything negative about him.

Its sad that she was even a teacher than, there was so many dumb decisions and horrible things that occurred during Mao's regime that need to be taught. Literal brainwashing and famine. There's no way around it.
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 7:18:04 PM
#172:


averagejoel posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
You're missing the point. We aren't talking about bad actions from the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.

it's literally impossible to divorce the failures of socialism from american imperialism.

http://www.aei.org/publication/why-socialism-always-fails/
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Tmaster148
12/18/17 7:20:03 PM
#173:


SuperNamekGod posted...
averagejoel posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
You're missing the point. We aren't talking about bad actions from the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.

it's literally impossible to divorce the failures of socialism from american imperialism.

http://www.aei.org/publication/why-socialism-always-fails/


A quick search showed that the AEI is a conservative think tank. So there's an inate bias against socialism there and probably not the best source to get why socialism isn't a great idea.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:20:41 PM
#174:


@Paper_Okami

You are dishonest. You are peddling a grotesque amount of misinformation. Iran in the 1950s was experiencing a lot of instability well before Britain or the USA or anyone else got involved. We didn't "interfere" or some shit. That's the stock excuse intellectually lazy communists come up with when their precious views are shown to be untenable.

Communism is inherently genocidal because under communism violence is the only way to maintain a collective of workers who actually obey and work rather than leech.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:21:53 PM
#175:


Tmaster148 posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
averagejoel posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
You're missing the point. We aren't talking about bad actions from the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.

it's literally impossible to divorce the failures of socialism from american imperialism.

http://www.aei.org/publication/why-socialism-always-fails/


A quick search showed that the AEI is a conservative think tank. So there's an inate bias against socialism there and probably not the best source to get why socialism isn't a great idea.


lmao youre hilarious. It's a good source. Would you prefer a Vox or Salon shit-piece on why socialism is great? lmfao get outta here with the ad hominem. Just don't post if you don't have any real argument against the points there.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:23:54 PM
#176:


averagejoel posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
You're missing the point. We aren't talking about bad actions from the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.

it's literally impossible to divorce the failures of socialism from american imperialism.


Nope. It's the other way around, if anything. As socialism began to collapse civilizations and countries, imperialists had to move in to protect order and greater interests.

There is no example of a large country sustaining socialism lmao
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Tmaster148
12/18/17 7:24:09 PM
#177:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
averagejoel posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
You're missing the point. We aren't talking about bad actions from the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.

it's literally impossible to divorce the failures of socialism from american imperialism.

http://www.aei.org/publication/why-socialism-always-fails/


A quick search showed that the AEI is a conservative think tank. So there's an inate bias against socialism there and probably not the best source to get why socialism isn't a great idea.


lmao youre hilarious. It's a good source. Would you prefer a Vox or Salon shit-piece on why socialism is great? lmfao get outta here with the ad hominem. Just don't post if you don't have any real argument against the points there.


First off, I didn't say socialism is great. But I'm going to remain skeptical of conservatives shouting socialism is bad.

Second, I don't like vox or salon.

Third, I didn't ad hominem attack. I just pointed out the source has an innate bias to be against socialism.

Maybe if you stop being a partisan shill and think critically you wouldn't get so butt mad over my comment.
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 7:25:55 PM
#178:


Tmaster148 posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
averagejoel posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
You're missing the point. We aren't talking about bad actions from the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.

it's literally impossible to divorce the failures of socialism from american imperialism.

http://www.aei.org/publication/why-socialism-always-fails/


A quick search showed that the AEI is a conservative think tank. So there's an inate bias against socialism there and probably not the best source to get why socialism isn't a great idea.

Was not aware of that.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:26:28 PM
#179:


Paper_Okami posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Great news. Now they just need to ban Communists and Twitter might actually become usable.

This. AntiFa is ironically the same shit, different pile.


"the people opposing nazis, are the same as nazis"


Communists are at least as evil and vile as Nazis, if not more so. They certainly have a larger bodycount.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 7:29:42 PM
#180:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
You are dishonest. You are peddling a grotesque amount of misinformation. Iran in the 1950s was experiencing a lot of instability well before Britain or the USA or anyone else got involved. We didn't "interfere" or some shit. That's the stock excuse intellectually lazy communists come up with when their precious views are shown to be untenable.


No, that is 100% true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#United_States_role
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TheCyborgNinja
12/18/17 7:32:03 PM
#181:


SuperNamekGod posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Blame places like Berkeley and 500lbs bitches like my high school history teacher than literally condoned Stalin's purges.

Jfc are campuses really that fuckin backwards? @TheCyborgNinja

She would always smile talking about him specifically and sugarcoat any communist atrocities, Stalin's or otherwise and justify them as necessary. I'm not joking. The worst part is she got promoted to vice principal after I left, apparently... I called to complain because kids wearing the school's gym clothes were throwing rocks at cars driving by the school and she just got all pissed off with me for reporting it.... Stuff like that are why I have no remorse about laughing whenever she'd break a chair or stool and look like a turtle on its back.

How exactly could she sugarcoat mass executions, forced labor, and other communist bullshit? Did she call the innocents involved enemies of the state or some shit?

She chose her words very selectively... She'd never mention anything to do with killing in the purges, she'd just say things like "Stalin's five-year plans allowed the USSR to rapidly develop their infrastructure to be ready for inevitable conflict with Germany. Uncooperative people would be sent to Siberia to work there in labour camps. Some purges occurred and they had mock trials for dissidents, but this helped Stalin's agenda to ultimately be successful" and so on. She basically made it sound like if anything had been handled any differently, the Nazis would've won. I can't remember word for word, as it was a long-ass time ago now, but that's sort of how she'd frame things. Mao got it pretty easy too. She literally didn't say anything negative about him.

Its sad that she was even a teacher than, there was so many dumb decisions and horrible things that occurred during Mao's regime that need to be taught. Literal brainwashing and famine. There's no way around it.

She'd even make jokes about the atrocities and everybody would laugh.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:32:36 PM
#182:


Tmaster148 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
averagejoel posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
You're missing the point. We aren't talking about bad actions from the US here, we're talking about Communism. Don't dodge the question and try to deflect with irrelevant information.

it's literally impossible to divorce the failures of socialism from american imperialism.

http://www.aei.org/publication/why-socialism-always-fails/


A quick search showed that the AEI is a conservative think tank. So there's an inate bias against socialism there and probably not the best source to get why socialism isn't a great idea.


lmao youre hilarious. It's a good source. Would you prefer a Vox or Salon shit-piece on why socialism is great? lmfao get outta here with the ad hominem. Just don't post if you don't have any real argument against the points there.


First off, I didn't say socialism is great. But I'm going to remain skeptical of conservatives shouting socialism is bad.

Second, I don't like vox or salon.

Third, I didn't ad hominem attack. I just pointed out the source has an innate bias to be against socialism.

Maybe if you stop being a partisan shill and think critically you wouldn't get so butt mad over my comment.


Their arguments are listed there for anyone to see. Refute their arguments. Saying "they're a conservative source!!!!1!1!1!1" as if that is an argument is hilarious. It makes you a child. Even if it was a conservative source, that doesn't make your post valid. You can't refute something just by claiming some supposed bias as if that invalidates what they said.

It's like saying Paper Okami's views are wrong since he's a communist.

And lmao at calling ME a partisan shill even tho youre the one who just discredited someone's arguments by saying "oh that's just a conservative site" lmfaooo
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BulletWing
12/18/17 7:34:57 PM
#183:


How exactly did a topic about Nazis turn into shitposting about communism? Why do people feel the need to defend Nazis by saying there are things as bad as them?
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 7:35:54 PM
#184:


BulletWing posted...
How exactly did a topic about Nazis turn into shitposting about communism? Why do people feel the need to defend Nazis by saying there are things as bad as them?

What the fuck are you talking about? Who was defending Nazis?
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 7:37:29 PM
#185:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
It's like saying Paper Okami's views are wrong since he's a communist.


I'm not a fucking communist.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:37:52 PM
#186:


Paper_Okami posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
You are dishonest. You are peddling a grotesque amount of misinformation. Iran in the 1950s was experiencing a lot of instability well before Britain or the USA or anyone else got involved. We didn't "interfere" or some shit. That's the stock excuse intellectually lazy communists come up with when their precious views are shown to be untenable.


No, that is 100% true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#United_States_role


More dishonesty. I spanked averagejoel so hard on this point that he ended up blocking me and kept pretending his Wikipedia articles were Holy Scripture. Iran had been experiencing growing instability well before that, with the nationalization of sectors of the economy. Notably the oil industry.

And don't pretend like the USA didn't have support for intervening after Mossadegh made himself a dictator. The Shah supported the coup because Mossadegh was clearly becoming a dictator and crumbling the economy.
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Tmaster148
12/18/17 7:38:03 PM
#187:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Their arguments are listed there for anyone to see. Refute their arguments. Saying "they're a conservative source!!!!1!1!1!1" as if that is an argument is hilarious. It makes you a child. Even if it was a conservative source, that doesn't make your post valid. You can't refute something just by claiming some supposed bias as if that invalidates what they said.


Again, I pointed out the site has a clear bias. I'm not saying their arguments are wrong or right. Just pointing out that they may not be completely accurate with their reporting.

You just want to create an issue for the reason of it.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:38:54 PM
#188:


Paper_Okami posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
It's like saying Paper Okami's views are wrong since he's a communist.


I'm not a fucking communist.


lmao what are you then? how can someone so blatantly shill for Marx and hard socialism and shitpost in defense of communism and not be a communist?
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:39:57 PM
#189:


Tmaster148 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Their arguments are listed there for anyone to see. Refute their arguments. Saying "they're a conservative source!!!!1!1!1!1" as if that is an argument is hilarious. It makes you a child. Even if it was a conservative source, that doesn't make your post valid. You can't refute something just by claiming some supposed bias as if that invalidates what they said.


Again, I pointed out the site has a clear bias. I'm not saying their arguments are wrong or right. Just pointing out that they may not be completely accurate with their reporting.

You just want to create an issue for the reason of it.


you cant just dismiss an otherwise reasonable poster's views by alluding to a source's supposed bias. not if you want to be taken seriously lmao. whatever.
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Tmaster148
12/18/17 7:41:01 PM
#190:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Their arguments are listed there for anyone to see. Refute their arguments. Saying "they're a conservative source!!!!1!1!1!1" as if that is an argument is hilarious. It makes you a child. Even if it was a conservative source, that doesn't make your post valid. You can't refute something just by claiming some supposed bias as if that invalidates what they said.


Again, I pointed out the site has a clear bias. I'm not saying their arguments are wrong or right. Just pointing out that they may not be completely accurate with their reporting.

You just want to create an issue for the reason of it.


you cant just dismiss an otherwise reasonable poster's views by alluding to a source's supposed bias. not if you want to be taken seriously lmao. whatever.


I didn't dismiss it at all. Stop making up shit. Though clearly I hurt your feelings so much that you insist on calling me out for something I didn't do.
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TheCyborgNinja
12/18/17 7:42:49 PM
#191:


SuperNamekGod posted...
BulletWing posted...
How exactly did a topic about Nazis turn into shitposting about communism? Why do people feel the need to defend Nazis by saying there are things as bad as them?

What the fuck are you talking about? Who was defending Nazis?

Nobody. He's probably just a communist.......

*yelling* McCarthy, get your ass in here! ;) lol
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BulletWing
12/18/17 7:43:03 PM
#192:


SuperNamekGod posted...
BulletWing posted...
How exactly did a topic about Nazis turn into shitposting about communism? Why do people feel the need to defend Nazis by saying there are things as bad as them?

What the fuck are you talking about? Who was defending Nazis?

People are pulling communism out of nowhere and saying it's as bad as being a Nazi

Your average communist is a misguided individual who believes in a faulty economic system.

Your average Neo-Nazi hates minorities and would probably do harm if they could get away with it.

Now if you're talking Stalinists or something (dunno if such people actually exist) you'd have a point, but overall communists aren't exactly awful human beings. The same cannot be seen said for overall Neo-Nazis.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:43:24 PM
#193:


Tmaster148 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Their arguments are listed there for anyone to see. Refute their arguments. Saying "they're a conservative source!!!!1!1!1!1" as if that is an argument is hilarious. It makes you a child. Even if it was a conservative source, that doesn't make your post valid. You can't refute something just by claiming some supposed bias as if that invalidates what they said.


Again, I pointed out the site has a clear bias. I'm not saying their arguments are wrong or right. Just pointing out that they may not be completely accurate with their reporting.

You just want to create an issue for the reason of it.


you cant just dismiss an otherwise reasonable poster's views by alluding to a source's supposed bias. not if you want to be taken seriously lmao. whatever.


I didn't dismiss it at all. Stop making up shit. Though clearly I hurt your feelings so much that you insist on calling me out for something I didn't do.


you denied that the source had valid arguments for why socialism cant work. your reason for denying that was "it is a conservative site." you really dont understand why that is an unbelievably stupid argument? :P
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:44:08 PM
#194:


BulletWing posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
BulletWing posted...
How exactly did a topic about Nazis turn into shitposting about communism? Why do people feel the need to defend Nazis by saying there are things as bad as them?

What the fuck are you talking about? Who was defending Nazis?

People are pulling communism out of nowhere and saying it's as bad as being a Nazi

Your average communist is a misguided individual who believes in a faulty economic system.

Your average Neo-Nazi hates minorities and would probably do harm if they could get away with it.

Now if you're talking Stalinists or something (dunno if such people actually exist) you'd have a point, but overall communists aren't exactly awful human beings. The same cannot be seen said for overall Neo-Nazis.


besides extremely fringe types of communism, the average communist is in fact a closet Stalinist. same thing.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 7:45:16 PM
#195:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
BulletWing posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
BulletWing posted...
How exactly did a topic about Nazis turn into shitposting about communism? Why do people feel the need to defend Nazis by saying there are things as bad as them?

What the fuck are you talking about? Who was defending Nazis?

People are pulling communism out of nowhere and saying it's as bad as being a Nazi

Your average communist is a misguided individual who believes in a faulty economic system.

Your average Neo-Nazi hates minorities and would probably do harm if they could get away with it.

Now if you're talking Stalinists or something (dunno if such people actually exist) you'd have a point, but overall communists aren't exactly awful human beings. The same cannot be seen said for overall Neo-Nazis.


besides extremely fringe types of communism, the average communist is in fact a closet Stalinist. same thing.


proof?
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Antifar
12/18/17 7:45:25 PM
#196:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
besides extremely fringe types of communism, the average communist is in fact a closet Stalinist. same thing.

Stalinism is the fringe, not the norm on the left. You won't find many tankies in the DSA or whatever.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 7:46:15 PM
#197:


Antifar posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
besides extremely fringe types of communism, the average communist is in fact a closet Stalinist. same thing.

Stalinism is the fringe, not the norm on the left. You won't find many tankies in the DSA or whatever.


Yeah I'm on a leftist discord and I literally argued with a Tankie on it, and EVERYONE was on my side, and he was eventually banned.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:46:33 PM
#198:


Paper_Okami posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
BulletWing posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
BulletWing posted...
How exactly did a topic about Nazis turn into shitposting about communism? Why do people feel the need to defend Nazis by saying there are things as bad as them?

What the fuck are you talking about? Who was defending Nazis?

People are pulling communism out of nowhere and saying it's as bad as being a Nazi

Your average communist is a misguided individual who believes in a faulty economic system.

Your average Neo-Nazi hates minorities and would probably do harm if they could get away with it.

Now if you're talking Stalinists or something (dunno if such people actually exist) you'd have a point, but overall communists aren't exactly awful human beings. The same cannot be seen said for overall Neo-Nazis.


besides extremely fringe types of communism, the average communist is in fact a closet Stalinist. same thing.


proof?


history
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Tmaster148
12/18/17 7:46:38 PM
#199:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Their arguments are listed there for anyone to see. Refute their arguments. Saying "they're a conservative source!!!!1!1!1!1" as if that is an argument is hilarious. It makes you a child. Even if it was a conservative source, that doesn't make your post valid. You can't refute something just by claiming some supposed bias as if that invalidates what they said.


Again, I pointed out the site has a clear bias. I'm not saying their arguments are wrong or right. Just pointing out that they may not be completely accurate with their reporting.

You just want to create an issue for the reason of it.


you cant just dismiss an otherwise reasonable poster's views by alluding to a source's supposed bias. not if you want to be taken seriously lmao. whatever.


I didn't dismiss it at all. Stop making up shit. Though clearly I hurt your feelings so much that you insist on calling me out for something I didn't do.


you denied that the source had valid arguments for why socialism cant work. your reason for denying that was "it is a conservative site." you really dont understand why that is an unbelievably stupid argument? :P


I didn't do that. I said it might not be the best source to understand why socialism is bad. But i guess words are too hard for you.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/18/17 7:47:27 PM
#200:


Antifar posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
besides extremely fringe types of communism, the average communist is in fact a closet Stalinist. same thing.

Stalinism is the fringe, not the norm on the left. You won't find many tankies in the DSA or whatever.


lmfao bullshit. history proves what communists are. dont sugar coat it. btw ive seen both you and averagejoel experience arousal at the idea of violent revolution so shhh
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