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Antifar
12/18/17 4:37:27 PM
#101:


Herugrim posted...
Like calling for a ban on all political parties other than Democrats isn't single party Facism.

Nobody is doing this
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twitterfriends
12/18/17 4:38:41 PM
#102:


Good fuck em
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TheBiggerWiggle
12/18/17 4:41:30 PM
#103:


Herugrim posted...
*Shows physical proof*

*Replies denying proof exists*

And I suppose while we're at it we'll just pretend #KillAllWhitePeople was never trending. Just like #KillAllMen. Even though it was and still is all over the internet, we'll just pretend it's not there. No proof!

Bottom line is Nazi isn't a term exclusive to actual Nazi's anymore. It's become a catch all for any person you don't like, like "Facist", "White Supremacist", and "Misogynist".

Like Trump is rounding up Jews in concentration camps.

Like calling for a ban on all political parties other than Democrats isn't single party Facism.

Because only white people can be racist. That is a completely tolerant ideology to operate under. 10,000 people marching through New York calling for "Dead Cops Now!" is a benign and perfectly legitimate organization, and they never riot even when they do.

Men are dying exponentially faster than women in every single study, in the military, in the work place, in suicide. Women 20-35 years old graduate from college more often then men, with better grades then men, are making more money then men, and are in control of 60% of personal finances as well as 52% of the stock market. The majority of prisoners are men, the majority of the unemployed are men, and the majority of the homeless are men, but we live in a "patriarchy" that oppresses women at every single turn.

If Twitter wants to ban everyone who isn't AltLeft and call everyone else a hate group, that's their choice. I never liked Twitter anyway. Enjoy your echo chamber. I hope it brings you comfort as the world around you burns.


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BLAKUboy
12/18/17 4:51:35 PM
#104:


Antifar posted...
Nobody is doing this

I mean, to be fair, Trump is at least coming pretty damn close.
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ChromaticAngel
12/18/17 4:57:42 PM
#105:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Great news. Now they just need to ban Communists and Twitter might actually become usable.


what prominent communists use twitter?
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BlockWatcher
12/18/17 5:09:21 PM
#106:


You hear that Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement? Your time is up! Buncha nazis...
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TheCyborgNinja
12/18/17 5:39:44 PM
#107:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Great news. Now they just need to ban Communists and Twitter might actually become usable.

This. AntiFa is ironically the same shit, different pile.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 5:45:02 PM
#108:


TheCyborgNinja posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Great news. Now they just need to ban Communists and Twitter might actually become usable.

This. AntiFa is ironically the same shit, different pile.


"the people opposing nazis, are the same as nazis"
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 5:45:43 PM
#109:


Paper_Okami posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Great news. Now they just need to ban Communists and Twitter might actually become usable.

This. AntiFa is ironically the same shit, different pile.


"the people opposing nazis, are the same as nazis"


Yes. It's called Horseshoe theory. Go too extreme in either direction and you end up in the same place but for different reasons.
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ThanksUglyGod
12/18/17 5:47:44 PM
#110:


s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Great news. Now they just need to ban Communists and Twitter might actually become usable.

This. AntiFa is ironically the same shit, different pile.


"the people opposing nazis, are the same as nazis"


Yes. It's called Horseshoe theory. Go too extreme in either direction and you end up in the same place but for different reasons.

Let us know when antifa are advocating the removal of entire groups of people.
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 5:48:15 PM
#111:


ThanksUglyGod posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Great news. Now they just need to ban Communists and Twitter might actually become usable.

This. AntiFa is ironically the same shit, different pile.


"the people opposing nazis, are the same as nazis"


Yes. It's called Horseshoe theory. Go too extreme in either direction and you end up in the same place but for different reasons.

Let us know when antifa are advocating the removal of entire groups of people.


That was sarcasm, right?
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 5:53:43 PM
#112:


s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Great news. Now they just need to ban Communists and Twitter might actually become usable.

This. AntiFa is ironically the same shit, different pile.


"the people opposing nazis, are the same as nazis"


Yes. It's called Horseshoe theory. Go too extreme in either direction and you end up in the same place but for different reasons.


vDcmHyx
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ThanksUglyGod
12/18/17 5:54:08 PM
#113:


s0nicfan posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Great news. Now they just need to ban Communists and Twitter might actually become usable.

This. AntiFa is ironically the same shit, different pile.


"the people opposing nazis, are the same as nazis"


Yes. It's called Horseshoe theory. Go too extreme in either direction and you end up in the same place but for different reasons.

Let us know when antifa are advocating the removal of entire groups of people.


That was sarcasm, right?

For real, let us know
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 5:55:29 PM
#114:


Oh man a cartoon with the biggest strawman since the Wizard of OZ, that TOTALLY destroys an established political theory based on real observations. You got me, guys!
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davyheinz
12/18/17 5:55:53 PM
#115:


Lmao, that comic is nonsensical and accurate
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A_Good_Boy
12/18/17 5:59:19 PM
#116:


s0nicfan posted...
Oh man a cartoon with the biggest strawman since the Wizard of OZ, that TOTALLY destroys an established political theory based on real observations. You got me, guys!

"established" as expressed by unintelligent mouth breathers in arguments online.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 5:59:51 PM
#117:


s0nicfan posted...
Oh man a cartoon with the biggest strawman since the Wizard of OZ, that TOTALLY destroys an established political theory based on real observations. You got me, guys!


Except it's exactly right.

https://theconversation.com/horseshoe-theory-is-nonsense-the-far-right-and-far-left-have-little-in-common-77588

here's something far more academic.
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 6:09:26 PM
#118:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Oh man a cartoon with the biggest strawman since the Wizard of OZ, that TOTALLY destroys an established political theory based on real observations. You got me, guys!


Except it's exactly right.

https://theconversation.com/horseshoe-theory-is-nonsense-the-far-right-and-far-left-have-little-in-common-77588

here's something far more academic.


Hey, I'll give you credit from moving from nonsensical cartoons to actual articles. At least you've stop shitposting. Outside of the issue that the writer's conclusion is explicitly that horseshoe theory is a tool of centrists to justify supporting far right candidates instead of far left ones, making sure to emphasize that the far left is the "right" direction to take, they don't really disprove that the theory is valid.

The issue is the articles focus primarily on the ISSUES that each side champions and uses that to claim that the theory is nonsense. The basis of horseshoe theory, though, isn't that the far left and the far right want the same things, but that the end result to society is the same. Your right to free speech (and other rights), for example, is identical in both fascism and communism when put into actual practice. Economies crumble under both. "Outsiders" and "dissidents" are jailed or killed. The nazis are the only instance of fascism that explicitly looked to commit genocide, but if you look at death count far more people died under Mao and Stalin than they did under Nazi Germany.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:12:30 PM
#119:


s0nicfan posted...
The nazis are the only instance of fascism that explicitly looked to commit genocide


what
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 6:13:46 PM
#120:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
The nazis are the only instance of fascism that explicitly looked to commit genocide


what


Do you honestly not know that fascism existed before Nazi Germany, and wasn't invented by Germany? Well that might explain why you're so obviously confused on the issue.
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UnholyMudcrab
12/18/17 6:14:11 PM
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ZMythos
12/18/17 6:15:48 PM
#122:


So when will Trump be banned
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MoreRpgs
12/18/17 6:16:46 PM
#123:


About time
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:16:59 PM
#124:


s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
The nazis are the only instance of fascism that explicitly looked to commit genocide


what


Do you honestly not know that fascism existed before Nazi Germany, and wasn't invented by Germany? Well that might explain why you're so obviously confused on the issue.


That's not what i was saying what to lol.

And did Mao explicitly look to commit genocide? (no) does it matter (no).
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gadgaurd
12/18/17 6:17:14 PM
#125:


s0nicfan posted...
StridentArremer posted...
s0nicfan posted...
The question is: at what point does a privately owned company become a utility.

Twitter is not a utility. I can safely say I have never had any need for Twitter in my life in any capacity.


A LOT of people get their news through twitter, and the president (for better or worse) uses it to DIRECTLY address the people of the nation. News agencies are held to different standards than regular television stations. Twitter is well past the point where it should be held to those same standards, one of which is fair coverage.

Most of my Twitter updates involve busty anime girls in various stages of undress or video game updates/giveaways/etc. When I want actual news I use platforms specifically designed for that.

Sure, people can and do get news via Twitter. People can and do get games via GameFAQs. Neither is a utility.
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A_Good_Boy
12/18/17 6:17:27 PM
#126:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
Milo's reaction to this is priceless

https://twitter.com/nero

lmao
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Kim Kusanagi
12/18/17 6:23:11 PM
#127:


Herugrim posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Callixtus posted...
A private company with that sort of influence should not have this power to limit speech. They aren't qualified to determine what is a hate group or not. And what do they mean by "violent"? It is quite open to interpretation.


Banning hate groups from a private platform is not a free speech violation. Those Nazis are allowed to start their own site and say whatever they want.

Like I said above, it's not the policy that's the issue, it's that Twitter doesn't always enforce their policies consistently when political ideology is involved. For example:

CF34qfk


It's amazing how many people will believe random images of memes without any semblance of proof that they are actually real.


*Shows physical proof*

*Replies denying proof exists*

And I suppose while we're at it we'll just pretend #KillAllWhitePeople was never trending. Just like #KillAllMen. Even though it was and still is all over the internet, we'll just pretend it's not there. No proof!

Bottom line is Nazi isn't a term exclusive to actual Nazi's anymore. It's become a catch all for any person you don't like, like "Facist", "White Supremacist", and "Misogynist".

Like Trump is rounding up Jews in concentration camps.

Like calling for a ban on all political parties other than Democrats isn't single party Facism.

Because only white people can be racist. That is a completely tolerant ideology to operate under. 10,000 people marching through New York calling for "Dead Cops Now!" is a benign and perfectly legitimate organization, and they never riot even when they do.

Men are dying exponentially faster than women in every single study, in the military, in the work place, in suicide. Women 20-35 years old graduate from college more often then men, with better grades then men, are making more money then men, and are in control of 60% of personal finances as well as 52% of the stock market. The majority of prisoners are men, the majority of the unemployed are men, and the majority of the homeless are men, but we live in a "patriarchy" that oppresses women at every single turn.

If Twitter wants to ban everyone who isn't AltLeft and call everyone else a hate group, that's their choice. I never liked Twitter anyway. Enjoy your echo chamber. I hope it brings you comfort as the world around you burns.


Why so mad racist?
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 6:28:25 PM
#128:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
The nazis are the only instance of fascism that explicitly looked to commit genocide


what


Do you honestly not know that fascism existed before Nazi Germany, and wasn't invented by Germany? Well that might explain why you're so obviously confused on the issue.


That's not what i was saying what to lol.

And did Mao explicitly look to commit genocide? (no) does it matter (no).


Now I must admit you've got ME confused. If you're acknowledging that Communism through Mao was just as bad as Nazi Germany in terms of number of people killed... then you kind of get what horeshoe theory is trying to say. Trying to counter it with a ridiculous strawman like "person who wants oppression versus person who doesn't" doesn't actually address the issue.

Antifa isn't just fighting to "stop nazis"... one of their key tenets is to bolster communism globally, and they have open public policies against things like free speech. Pretending like they're simply some "anti-oppression" organization is to explicitly fail to understand either their history or what they're fighting FOR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:33:37 PM
#129:


s0nicfan posted...

Antifa isn't just fighting to "stop nazis"... one of their key tenets is to bolster communism globally, and they have open public policies against things like free speech. Pretending like they're simply some "anti-oppression" organization is to explicitly fail to understand either their history or what they're fighting FOR.


LMAO the German organization and the U.S one have nothing to do with eachother, hell the U.S one isn't even an official organization.
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 6:35:46 PM
#130:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Antifa isn't just fighting to "stop nazis"... one of their key tenets is to bolster communism globally, and they have open public policies against things like free speech. Pretending like they're simply some "anti-oppression" organization is to explicitly fail to understand either their history or what they're fighting FOR.


LMAO the German organization and the U.S one have nothing to do with eachother, hell the U.S one isn't even an official organization.


Where in this conversation chain did I or anyone else explicitly say we were talking about the US Antifa? The whole thing started with someone saying that communists on twitter should be the next banned.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:36:34 PM
#131:


s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Antifa isn't just fighting to "stop nazis"... one of their key tenets is to bolster communism globally, and they have open public policies against things like free speech. Pretending like they're simply some "anti-oppression" organization is to explicitly fail to understand either their history or what they're fighting FOR.


LMAO the German organization and the U.S one have nothing to do with eachother, hell the U.S one isn't even an official organization.


Where in this conversation chain did I or anyone else explicitly say we were talking about the US Antifa? The whole thing started with someone saying that communists on twitter should be the next banned.


Nazi ideology is inherently based towards killing people Communism isn't.
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 6:36:38 PM
#132:


Paper_Okami posted...
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Malcom X?


Malcolm X is dead.


Words are eternal


imagine being dumb enough to compare Malcolm X to nazis.

"white people are devils"
"blacks are superior to whites"
"demise of the white race is imminent"
A set of beliefs he subscribed to and believed in. Granted that was during his time in the Nation of Islam, doesn't change the fact that they were the black equivalent of Nazis.

@Paper_Okami

As far as ideologies are concerned, Nazism and the Nation of Islam had that superior race bs and that they hated one group in particular that they thought caused all their problems.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:37:28 PM
#133:


SuperNamekGod posted...
"white people are devils"
"blacks are superior to whites"
"demise of the white race is imminent"
A set of beliefs he subscribed to and believed in. Granted that was during his time in the Nation of Islam, doesn't change the fact that they were the black equivalent of Nazis.


how many people did Malcolm X kill?
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 6:37:32 PM
#134:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Antifa isn't just fighting to "stop nazis"... one of their key tenets is to bolster communism globally, and they have open public policies against things like free speech. Pretending like they're simply some "anti-oppression" organization is to explicitly fail to understand either their history or what they're fighting FOR.


LMAO the German organization and the U.S one have nothing to do with eachother, hell the U.S one isn't even an official organization.


Where in this conversation chain did I or anyone else explicitly say we were talking about the US Antifa? The whole thing started with someone saying that communists on twitter should be the next banned.


Nazi ideology is inherently based towards killing people Communism isn't.


If the results are the same, why does it matter?
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:38:20 PM
#135:


s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Antifa isn't just fighting to "stop nazis"... one of their key tenets is to bolster communism globally, and they have open public policies against things like free speech. Pretending like they're simply some "anti-oppression" organization is to explicitly fail to understand either their history or what they're fighting FOR.


LMAO the German organization and the U.S one have nothing to do with eachother, hell the U.S one isn't even an official organization.


Where in this conversation chain did I or anyone else explicitly say we were talking about the US Antifa? The whole thing started with someone saying that communists on twitter should be the next banned.


Nazi ideology is inherently based towards killing people Communism isn't.


If the results are the same, why does it matter?


Because it's not inherent in the ideology.
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 6:39:25 PM
#136:


Paper_Okami posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
"white people are devils"
"blacks are superior to whites"
"demise of the white race is imminent"
A set of beliefs he subscribed to and believed in. Granted that was during his time in the Nation of Islam, doesn't change the fact that they were the black equivalent of Nazis.


how many people did Malcolm X kill?

My comparison regarded what Malcolm X believed in.
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 6:40:58 PM
#137:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Antifa isn't just fighting to "stop nazis"... one of their key tenets is to bolster communism globally, and they have open public policies against things like free speech. Pretending like they're simply some "anti-oppression" organization is to explicitly fail to understand either their history or what they're fighting FOR.


LMAO the German organization and the U.S one have nothing to do with eachother, hell the U.S one isn't even an official organization.


Where in this conversation chain did I or anyone else explicitly say we were talking about the US Antifa? The whole thing started with someone saying that communists on twitter should be the next banned.


Nazi ideology is inherently based towards killing people Communism isn't.


If the results are the same, why does it matter?


Because it's not inherent in the ideology.


Of course it is. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't have precisely that same result every single time it's been implemented. You're talking about an ideology that BEGINS with the violent overthrowing of the ruling class and the forceful seizing of all their assets. Do you really not care if two ideologies result in the same catastrophic loss of life, simply because one is open about it and the other pretends it isn't but ends the same way EVERY time?
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:41:24 PM
#138:


SuperNamekGod posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
"white people are devils"
"blacks are superior to whites"
"demise of the white race is imminent"
A set of beliefs he subscribed to and believed in. Granted that was during his time in the Nation of Islam, doesn't change the fact that they were the black equivalent of Nazis.


how many people did Malcolm X kill?

My comparison regarded what Malcolm X believed in.


It's different ideologically because Malcolm X belonged to a group of oppressed people, and he made amends later in his career, and either way he was essential to the furthering of rights for black people in America.
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Dyinglegacy
12/18/17 6:41:41 PM
#139:


*Fart sound*
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:41:52 PM
#140:


s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Antifa isn't just fighting to "stop nazis"... one of their key tenets is to bolster communism globally, and they have open public policies against things like free speech. Pretending like they're simply some "anti-oppression" organization is to explicitly fail to understand either their history or what they're fighting FOR.


LMAO the German organization and the U.S one have nothing to do with eachother, hell the U.S one isn't even an official organization.


Where in this conversation chain did I or anyone else explicitly say we were talking about the US Antifa? The whole thing started with someone saying that communists on twitter should be the next banned.


Nazi ideology is inherently based towards killing people Communism isn't.


If the results are the same, why does it matter?


Because it's not inherent in the ideology.


Of course it is. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't have precisely that same result every single time it's been implemented. Do you really not care if two ideologies result in the same catastrophic loss of life, simply because one is open about it and the other pretends it isn't but ends the same way EVERY time?


Uh yes that time Cuba committed genocide.. wait a minute.
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 6:44:18 PM
#141:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Of course it is. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't have precisely that same result every single time it's been implemented. Do you really not care if two ideologies result in the same catastrophic loss of life, simply because one is open about it and the other pretends it isn't but ends the same way EVERY time?


Uh yes that time Cuba committed genocide.. wait a minute.


Clearly you never heard of Castro's Firing Squads, nor the fact that his communist government is responsible for over a hundred thousand deaths, which for a country of around 10 million people isn't trivial.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:45:47 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
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Of course it is. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't have precisely that same result every single time it's been implemented. Do you really not care if two ideologies result in the same catastrophic loss of life, simply because one is open about it and the other pretends it isn't but ends the same way EVERY time?


Uh yes that time Cuba committed genocide.. wait a minute.


Clearly you never heard of Castro's Firing Squads, nor the fact that his communist government is responsible for over a hundred thousand deaths, which for a country of around 10 million people isn't trivial.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_executed_by_Cuba_by_firing_squad

Not that i agree with it and fidel was still a hypcritical dictator, but far fewer.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:46:56 PM
#143:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Of course it is. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't have precisely that same result every single time it's been implemented. Do you really not care if two ideologies result in the same catastrophic loss of life, simply because one is open about it and the other pretends it isn't but ends the same way EVERY time?


Uh yes that time Cuba committed genocide.. wait a minute.


Clearly you never heard of Castro's Firing Squads, nor the fact that his communist government is responsible for over a hundred thousand deaths, which for a country of around 10 million people isn't trivial.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_executed_by_Cuba_by_firing_squad

Not that i agree with it and fidel was still a hypcritical dictator, but far fewer.

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s0nicfan
12/18/17 6:47:04 PM
#144:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Of course it is. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't have precisely that same result every single time it's been implemented. Do you really not care if two ideologies result in the same catastrophic loss of life, simply because one is open about it and the other pretends it isn't but ends the same way EVERY time?


Uh yes that time Cuba committed genocide.. wait a minute.


Clearly you never heard of Castro's Firing Squads, nor the fact that his communist government is responsible for over a hundred thousand deaths, which for a country of around 10 million people isn't trivial.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_executed_by_Cuba_by_firing_squad

Not that i agree with it and fidel was still a hypcritical dictator, but far fewer.


Seriously?
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article118282148.html
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 6:48:06 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
SuperNamekGod posted...
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"white people are devils"
"blacks are superior to whites"
"demise of the white race is imminent"
A set of beliefs he subscribed to and believed in. Granted that was during his time in the Nation of Islam, doesn't change the fact that they were the black equivalent of Nazis.


how many people did Malcolm X kill?

My comparison regarded what Malcolm X believed in.


It's different ideologically because Malcolm X belonged to a group of oppressed people, and he made amends later in his career, and either way he was essential to the furthering of rights for black people in America.

Advocating that a certain group is superior and one isn't human and are actually devils and that their deaths are to come soon isn't justified because one group is oppressed.

While X was important in the Civil Rights Movement and eventually grew out of all the bad stuff in the NOI, he was not a very good guy and wasn't preaching good things while in the organization.

He was preaching a violent segregationist approach and were black supremacists, while people like Martin Luther King obviously were for fighting for actual civil rights and equality from integration.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:48:54 PM
#146:


s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Of course it is. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't have precisely that same result every single time it's been implemented. Do you really not care if two ideologies result in the same catastrophic loss of life, simply because one is open about it and the other pretends it isn't but ends the same way EVERY time?


Uh yes that time Cuba committed genocide.. wait a minute.


Clearly you never heard of Castro's Firing Squads, nor the fact that his communist government is responsible for over a hundred thousand deaths, which for a country of around 10 million people isn't trivial.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_executed_by_Cuba_by_firing_squad

Not that i agree with it and fidel was still a hypcritical dictator, but far fewer.


Seriously?
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article118282148.html


Yet the Cuba Archive, the Coral Gables-based organization generally regarded as the most scrupulous in documenting human-rights abuses in Cuba, uses a much lower figure of 7,193 (which, incidentally, includes 21 Americans, several of whom worked with the CIA).

Those are the ones weve documented, using either information released by the government or the testimony of eyewitnesses, not hearsay or guesswork, says Maria Werlau, the groups president. We know the numbers are much, much higher, but this is what we can actually document so far.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:49:26 PM
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SuperNamekGod posted...
He was preaching a violent segregationist approach and were black supremacist


he preached self defense.

And why the fuck wouldn't you want to segregate yourself if you were being oppressed.
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s0nicfan
12/18/17 6:51:46 PM
#148:


Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Of course it is. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't have precisely that same result every single time it's been implemented. Do you really not care if two ideologies result in the same catastrophic loss of life, simply because one is open about it and the other pretends it isn't but ends the same way EVERY time?


Uh yes that time Cuba committed genocide.. wait a minute.


Clearly you never heard of Castro's Firing Squads, nor the fact that his communist government is responsible for over a hundred thousand deaths, which for a country of around 10 million people isn't trivial.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_executed_by_Cuba_by_firing_squad

Not that i agree with it and fidel was still a hypcritical dictator, but far fewer.


Seriously?
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article118282148.html


Yet the Cuba Archive, the Coral Gables-based organization generally regarded as the most scrupulous in documenting human-rights abuses in Cuba, uses a much lower figure of 7,193 (which, incidentally, includes 21 Americans, several of whom worked with the CIA).

Those are the ones weve documented, using either information released by the government or the testimony of eyewitnesses, not hearsay or guesswork, says Maria Werlau, the groups president. We know the numbers are much, much higher, but this is what we can actually document so far.


That's a dramatic change from... what did your lazy wikipedia link count add up to when you were trying to be snarky? Five? That's right... so at WORST we're at 7 thousand, up from FIVE, and only because Castro himself didn't track exactly who he killed. If the foremost expert in the field believes that the numbers are "much, much higher" than I think we can take their word.

But really this is just goalpost moving. You tried to use Cuba as an example of a communist regime that didn't result in mass causalities, which I think we can agree at this point is explicitly untrue, and thus goes back to my point that communism is just as deadly as fascism.
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Paper_Okami
12/18/17 6:54:38 PM
#149:


s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Of course it is. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't have precisely that same result every single time it's been implemented. Do you really not care if two ideologies result in the same catastrophic loss of life, simply because one is open about it and the other pretends it isn't but ends the same way EVERY time?


Uh yes that time Cuba committed genocide.. wait a minute.


Clearly you never heard of Castro's Firing Squads, nor the fact that his communist government is responsible for over a hundred thousand deaths, which for a country of around 10 million people isn't trivial.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_executed_by_Cuba_by_firing_squad

Not that i agree with it and fidel was still a hypcritical dictator, but far fewer.


Seriously?
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article118282148.html


Yet the Cuba Archive, the Coral Gables-based organization generally regarded as the most scrupulous in documenting human-rights abuses in Cuba, uses a much lower figure of 7,193 (which, incidentally, includes 21 Americans, several of whom worked with the CIA).

Those are the ones weve documented, using either information released by the government or the testimony of eyewitnesses, not hearsay or guesswork, says Maria Werlau, the groups president. We know the numbers are much, much higher, but this is what we can actually document so far.


That's a dramatic change from... what did your lazy wikipedia link count add up to when you were trying to be snarky? Five? That's right... so at WORST we're at 7 thousand from FIVE, and only because Castro himself didn't track exactly who he killed. If the foremost expert in the field believes that the numbers are "much, much higher" than I think we can take their word.

But really this is just goalpost moving. You tried to use Cuba as an example of a communist regime that didn't result in mass causalities, which I think we can agree at this point is explicitly untrue, and thus goes back to my point that communism is just as deadly as fascism.


7000 is not nearly as much as the 12 million that Hitler caused, even taking into account difference in population.

and what happened now. Cuba has among the lowest poverty levels in the Americas, near 100% literacy, fantastic healthcare for all.

The extra judicial executions are abhorrent and wrong, but the ideology itself isn't genocidal. And you forgot that the CIA did attempt to have Castro killed many many times.
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SuperNamekGod
12/18/17 6:57:39 PM
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