Current Events > So why did kylo ren.............? The Last Jedi ****!!!!!Spoilers!!!!***

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Why did he kill snoke? And just read an article from a link on this site that it was never really explained who snoke was and where he came from and they said it looks like it may never be explained. Read another article where the writers said they were surprised that it seems that rey's parents really were nothing special and certainly her father was not luke skywalker like a whole lot of people had guessed.

To go back to my first sentence, were you surprised that he killed snoke? But why did he do that if he didn't turn good and became more evil than he ever was?
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I personally loved the twist.

It subverted expectations nicely and opens the door for some interesting things for Kylo to do.

My interpretation was the Kylo was tired of being treated like a dog on a leash, and was tired of trying to hold on the past, which is what Snoke and the First Order is really about. He doesn't want to be Vader 2.0 anymore, he wants to "let the past die" and build something new.

As for Snoke not being explained? Meh, doesn't bug me much. Think of how much we knew of the Emperor in the OT and how much we know of Snoke. Pretty much the same amount.
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What do we even know about Snoke? Pretty expendable at the end of the day.
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cause he didn't like him trying to control him and he wanted to be in charge
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The apprentice kills the master. That's how the dark side works.
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It was explained in the movie. He wanted to get rid of First Order and the Rebels and unite the galaxy under his (and Rey's rule).
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Zack_Attackv1 posted...

What do we even know about Snoke? Pretty expendable at the end of the day.

I mean, again. What did we know of the Emperor?

Emperor:
-Old
-Powerful in the dark side
- Likes hamming it up
- Hubris out the wazoo
- Rules the Empire

Snoke:
-Old
-Powerful in the dark side
-Likes hamming it up
-Hubris out the wazoo
-Rules the First Order
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I was certainly surprised. But it's not hard to understand at all. It's pretty standard on the dark side to want to supplant your master. Snoke was a lot more powerful than him, so he took advantage of the opportunity. It also saved Rey, who he has a connection with, and wants her to join him (also needs her help to defeat Snoke's guards). And I'm sure becoming more like Vader was another reason behind it.

But more than anything, it's about casting aside the old and replacing it with the new, moving forward on their own terms.
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Doom_Art posted...

He doesn't want to be Vader 2.0 anymore, he wants to "let the past die" and build something new.

He did want to be Vader 2.0 until Snoke made fun of him.

Thats when he destroyed his helmet.
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Doom_Art posted...

Zack_Attackv1 posted...

What do we even know about Snoke? Pretty expendable at the end of the day.

I mean, again. What did we know of the Emperor?

Emperor:
-Old
-Powerful in the dark side
- Likes hamming it up
- Hubris out the wazoo
- Rules the Empire

Snoke:
-Old
-Powerful in the dark side
-Likes hamming it up
-Hubris out the wazoo
-Rules the First Order

This. More importantly, I appreciated TLJ's stance that it doesn't even matter. Since the beginning of time, there's always some evil asshole that uses chaos, instability, disorder and hate to grab power. Snoke was that guy in the SW universe post OT. Who he is and how he did it doesn't matter. He's just there, it felt real to me.

I also loved that they decided to make Rey's parents nobodies. I thought the theme of it was really powerful. SW has always been chasing the "I am your father" moment since ESB, and the endless twists, reveals and intrigue have gotten ridiculous. The concept that you don't have to be a Skywalker, a Kenobi, a Solo etc to be a hero really worked for me. We're all heroes, or villains (Snoke) in our own stories.

Who and how we get there doesn't matter. Just what we do when were are there.

the guys who wrote the article i read also said they found it refreshing that rey's parents are nobodies but they also said that they thought it was possible that kylo ren was really lying to her and maybe in the next star wars it could be revealed that they really were somebody. Another separate question, at the end of the last jedi there wasn't some scenes during the credits or after were there? I don't really like when movies do that i just wanna get out, but it seems a lot of the comic book movies in particular are doing that
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Smallville posted...

the guys who wrote the article i read also said they found it refreshing that rey's parents are nobodies but they also said that they thought it was possible that kylo ren was really lying to her and maybe in the next star wars it could be revealed that they really were somebody. Another separate question, at the end of the last jedi there wasn't some scenes during the credits or after were there? I don't really like when movies do that i just wanna get out, but it seems a lot of the comic book movies in particular are doing that

SW never does post credit scenes

Also, I know the article you're talking about but it's completely ridiculous to think he's lying. Anyone who thinks that didn't get the point of the movie.

It's like everyone freaking out about the kid at the end of the movie. "OMG who is he?! is he someone IMPORTANT?" The point isn't that he was meant to be a big deal. The point is there is always a new generation of heroes out there. The Skywalker story will end, and a new story will rise. That's the point, you don't NEED to be a Skywalker or anything. Just like Luke used to look to the sky and dream of being a hero in ANH, and Rey in TFA, this boy does too.

We each have our own story to tell. Individuals come and go, but there's always someone else out there with a purpose. It's like when Kylo says to Rey, "What you thought you had a place in this story?"

You're not lesser just because you're a "nobody" everyone has the chance to be a hero.

I loved it as a way that Kylo actually surpassed Vader, at least in a small manner.

Vader planned for years to kill and overthrow Palpatine, and never pulled the trigger, partially because Palpatine was literally the only person he had left until Luke. Kylo may have jumped the gun a bit but he did pull it off without turning back to the light like Vader.
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Doom_Art posted...

I mean, again. What did we know of the Emperor?

Emperor:
-Old
-Powerful in the dark side
- Likes hamming it up
- Hubris out the wazoo
- created the Empire that's had control of the galaxy for enough time for Luke to be a young adult
- imposed fear across the galaxy with a fully trained lord Vader

Ftfy.

We didn't need to know about the emperor because that story already happened (and the prequels later expand), we did need snoke to bridge the gap of emperor to him. Especially you know the rule of 2.

It doesn't ruin the movie or anything like that, but it loses the impact of the death. Instead of the casino bit I'd have preferred it to have been a point to show snokes power and cunning. How he was able to detect Finn and rose instead of the lack luster black bb8 and a double cross.
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Kylo wanted to bone Rey more than he wanted to be Snoke's lackey.
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Bio1590 posted...

Kylo wanted to bone Rey more than he wanted to be Snoke's lackey.

Did any of you think that rey and kylo were gonna turn out to be brother and sister?
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He killed his father and now his master. He wants the blood of everyone.
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Smallville posted...

Bio1590 posted...

Kylo wanted to bone Rey more than he wanted to be Snoke's lackey.

Did any of you think that rey and kylo were gonna turn out to be brother and sister?

That would make absolutely no sense.

Doom_Art posted...

Zack_Attackv1 posted...

What do we even know about Snoke? Pretty expendable at the end of the day.

I mean, again. What did we know of the Emperor?

Emperor:
-Old
-Powerful in the dark side
- Likes hamming it up
- Hubris out the wazoo
- Rules the Empire

Snoke:
-Old
-Powerful in the dark side
-Likes hamming it up
-Hubris out the wazoo
-Rules the First Order

Its less about that and more about where the fuck did this guy come from, as strong as he is, with as much force mastery as he has (claims to have bridged Rey's/Kylo's minds), etc. Do you really think Palps would have let someone like this exist as competition for galactic rule?
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why wouldn't it make any sense? didn't a lot of fans think that?
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Smallville posted...

why wouldn't it make any sense? didn't a lot of fans think that?

for that theory to be plausible, either: A) Leia and Han never remember they had a daughter, or B) Kylo is an adopted son.
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Ricemills posted...

Smallville posted...

why wouldn't it make any sense? didn't a lot of fans think that?

for that theory to be plausible, either: A) Leia and Han never remember they had a daughter, or B) Kylo is an adopted son.

I never thought it was gonna pan out that they were brother and sister. But I can see how people could trick themselves into believing it.

The falcon being on Jakku in the first place. Han and Chewie quickly arrive to Rey and the falcon once it's in space. Han offers Rey a job on the falcon, Leia embraces Rey without ever meeting her before.

All of it could lead people to think, they abandoned her and kept it secret to protect her from turning to the dark side like Kylo. Similar to how Luke was hidden on Tatooine.

TheDarkCircle posted...

Ricemills posted...

Smallville posted...

why wouldn't it make any sense? didn't a lot of fans think that?

for that theory to be plausible, either: A) Leia and Han never remember they had a daughter, or B) Kylo is an adopted son.

I never thought it was gonna pan out that they were brother and sister. But I can see how people could trick themselves into believing it.

The falcon being on Jakku in the first place. Han and Chewie quickly arrive to Rey and the falcon once it's in space. Han offers Rey a job on the falcon, Leia embraces Rey without ever meeting her before.

All of it could lead people to think, they abandoned her and kept it secret to protect her from turning to the dark side like Kylo. Similar to how Luke was hidden on Tatooine.

or han fooled around before leia and that's why we're getting a young han movie so they're halfsies
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I Like Toast posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

Ricemills posted...

Smallville posted...

why wouldn't it make any sense? didn't a lot of fans think that?

for that theory to be plausible, either: A) Leia and Han never remember they had a daughter, or B) Kylo is an adopted son.

I never thought it was gonna pan out that they were brother and sister. But I can see how people could trick themselves into believing it.

The falcon being on Jakku in the first place. Han and Chewie quickly arrive to Rey and the falcon once it's in space. Han offers Rey a job on the falcon, Leia embraces Rey without ever meeting her before.

All of it could lead people to think, they abandoned her and kept it secret to protect her from turning to the dark side like Kylo. Similar to how Luke was hidden on Tatooine.

or han fooled around before leia and that's why we're getting a young han movie so they're halfsies

Kylo was born like a year after the end of Episode 6 and Rey is like a decade younger than Kylo...
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Wait for the Snoke prequel next Christmas.
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I Like Toast posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

Ricemills posted...

Smallville posted...

why wouldn't it make any sense? didn't a lot of fans think that?

for that theory to be plausible, either: A) Leia and Han never remember they had a daughter, or B) Kylo is an adopted son.

I never thought it was gonna pan out that they were brother and sister. But I can see how people could trick themselves into believing it.

The falcon being on Jakku in the first place. Han and Chewie quickly arrive to Rey and the falcon once it's in space. Han offers Rey a job on the falcon, Leia embraces Rey without ever meeting her before.

All of it could lead people to think, they abandoned her and kept it secret to protect her from turning to the dark side like Kylo. Similar to how Luke was hidden on Tatooine.

or han fooled around before leia and that's why we're getting a young han movie so they're halfsies

Then she wouldn't be Anakin's granddaughter
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Doom_Art posted...

It subverted expectations nicely

you're telling me you watched both movies and didn't expect that at all
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what? i don't get your post, i read another article where it said it doesn't really explain why if snoke is dead why they still have that connection
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Doom_Art posted...

As for Snoke not being explained? Meh, doesn't bug me much. Think of how much we knew of the Emperor in the OT and how much we know of Snoke. Pretty much the same amount.

I really wanted an explanation for Snoke because of the lack of thematic purpose given to the rise of the First Order. They needed something to tie it all back to the rest of the lore (movies or extended) instead of only being "the empire's back because we just need an antagonist". But now Snoke is some random super powerful force user who just kinda shows up into the mix from nowhere instead of being some grand orchestrator. The timeline doesn't even make sense now with Snoke giving off this "old evil" vibe yet he was completely off the force radar for the duration of the entire first 6 movies.

I also don't like how they changed his character's tone from being dark, ominous, and cryptic to a bit more extravagant and warlordish with his gold tunic and more direct mannerisms.

There's still one more movie to give him some significance and tie the whole series together (there's still room for him to be Plagueis considering he had been killed once before) but I doubt they'll do anything with him considering his death was a means of placing Kylo at the head of the antagonist chain.
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Yeah Snoke needs an explanation of some sort.
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One thing that bothered me was...how did Kylo know who Rey's parents were?
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Because Rian Johnson like the character, and the writers weren't good enough to come up with a better way to get rid of him. The script was horseshit, and every scene with Snoke in the previous film was basically a waste of time.
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I liked how Kylo just grabbed Hux by the balls and told him he was in charge, when in the OT Vader was basically Tarkin's bitch.
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The Admiral posted...

Because Rian Johnson like the character, and the writers weren't good enough to come up with a better way to get rid of him. The script was horseshit, and every scene with Snoke in the previous film was basically a waste of time.

The script was great though. The whole point of the story is that literally anyone can be a hero or villain. You don't have to have some big backstory, you don't have to have a great family.

As for killing him, it fit. It's the Sith cycle, for one, and for two, Kylo was focused on moving on from the old. Keeping him around would've made far less sense.

jumi posted...

I liked how Kylo just grabbed Hux by the balls and told him he was in charge, when in the OT Vader was basically Tarkin's bitch.

Vader wasn't Tarkin's bitch, Vader just respected Tarkin, and Tarkin knew not to piss him off.

OctilIery posted...

jumi posted...

I liked how Kylo just grabbed Hux by the balls and told him he was in charge, when in the OT Vader was basically Tarkin's bitch.

Vader wasn't Tarkin's bitch, Vader just respected Tarkin, and Tarkin knew not to piss him off.

He literally ORDERED Vader to stop choking a guy. If Vader had any balls he would have choked Tarkin at that point.
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Smallville posted...

what? i don't get your post, i read another article where it said it doesn't really explain why if snoke is dead why they still have that connection

Two main theories are either that Snoke established the connection but wasn't maintaining it, or that Snoke lied about making it.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

The apprentice kills the master. That's how the dark side works.

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Touch posted...

One thing that bothered me was...how did Kylo know who Rey's parents were?

Rey knew (or felt) who her parents were and Kylo was tapping into her mind to bring out those repressed memories/feelings/hunches/whatever they were.

In other words, Kylo only has access to what's in her mind, and he acted as a sort of "therapist" who brings out your darkest repressed thoughts and feelings, albeit in a very direct and Sithy way of course. We don't know nor do the involved characters know if it's really true, but Kylo chose to promote it as if it were true to break her down.
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