Current Events > I know SJW representation and all that gets mocked, but (Star Wars, no spoilers)

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What a racist kid.
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There is no reason to criticize a movie for having more diversity

Saying a movie is bad because it is "not diverse enough" is silly

Adding things at the cost of artistic integrity is always bad. If you can convincingly argue that the chosen cast hurts the show or muddies the original intentions, then that is a valid complaint. But the vast majority of the time it should not be a big deal

This should all be common sense
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LightningAce11 posted...

What's wrong with kids seeing people of their own race and gender and possibly feeling a stronger connection to that character?

Well aside from racism and sexism nothing intrinsically harmful.

But that's not so much the point, the weird part is people like TC and the SJWs who insist on it and say it makes them happy

That's the part people take issue with.

It's like if someone says they won't sleep with Asian girls because they don't find them attractive. Okay that's not a harmful belief but it's fucking weird for onlookers to praise it and demand that we all be happy about it.

"You should like this character more because you both have vaginas or both are black or both have a Scottish Accent!" is a really dodgy soft segeration notion to teach people. It just leads to division. Part of the reason why in a lot of towns the large majority of minority groups often live in very close proximity to each other.

It's just bad ideals to teach people, the complete anti-thesis of equality, diversity and love. It's just stamping "You people are different, you people and your kind."

I'll say again, why is this any more "heartwarming" then some kid loving Lando?

That question will never ever ever be addressed aside from insults.
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LightningAce11 posted...

What's wrong with kids seeing people of their own race and gender and possibly feeling a stronger connection to that character? They see similarities on the surface and for some that's enough to enjoy it.

That kid is a RACIST and S J Ws like you and me will NEVER ADMIT THE PROBLEM
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I can remember as a kid always wanting to be Goku when playing dragon ball Z and occasionally the argument against it would be you cant cause Goku isnt black.

Bottom line is race and sex are key identifiers so its extremely encouraging to see someone like you do something
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And yet again, I called it.

It's remarkable how relevant this video is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqpq9tP14PA
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UnfairRepresent posted...

LightningAce11 posted...

What's wrong with kids seeing people of their own race and gender and possibly feeling a stronger connection to that character?

Well aside from racism and sexism nothing intrinsically harmful.

But that's not so much the point, the weird part is people like TC and the SJWs who insist on it and say it makes them happy

That's the part people take issue with.

It's like if someone says they won't sleep with Asian girls because they don't find them attractive. Okay that's not a harmful belief but it's fucking weird for onlookers to praise it and demand that we all be happy about it.

"You should like this character more because you both have vaginas or both are black or both have a Scottish Accent!" is a really dodgy soft segeration notion to teach people. It just leads to division. Part of the reason why in a lot of towns the large majority of minority groups often live in very close proximity to each other.

It's just bad ideals to teach people, the complete anti-thesis of equality, diversity and love. It's just stamping "You people are different, you people and your kind."

I'll say again, why is this any more "heartwarming" then some kid loving Lando?

That question will never ever ever be addressed aside from insults.

First off

Nvm Im not gonna bite
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gamepimp12 posted...

Bottom line is race and sex are key identifiers so its extremely encouraging to see someone like you do something

This is probably it.

There's no reason you can't identify with someone outside your race.

It's just nice to see someone who looks similar.
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gamepimp12 posted...

First off

Nvm Im not gonna bite

I'll say again, why is this any more "heartwarming" then some kid loving Lando?

That question will never ever ever be addressed aside from insults.

Called it

UnfairRepresent posted...

And yet again, I called it.

It's remarkable how relevant this video is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqpq9tP14PA

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I'll say again, why is this any more "heartwarming" then some kid loving Lando?

That question will never ever ever be addressed aside from insults.

It's been answered several times already ITT.
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gamepimp12 posted...

I can remember as a kid always wanting to be Goku when playing dragon ball Z and occasionally the argument against it would be you cant cause Goku isnt black.

Bottom line is race and sex are key identifiers so its extremely encouraging to see someone like you do something

More than that, I think seeing a diverse group of people doing regular things is beneficial. Like, all Hollywood had was emasculated Asians and that's always really demoralizing. Then you have Jackie Chan, but everyone makes kung fu jokes and you feel like they aren't seeing you as you, but "just another Asian". You finally see a character who happens to be Asian and no other character traits tied to their race and you feel your existence has been normalized, you're not just some novelty or stereotype.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

It is heartwarming that if a kid identifies more with a person who looks like them

Why?

That's the bit that's weird.

"This kid is doing something cute and likes this guy."

Cool

"This kid is doing something cute and it's one of those people with another one of those people so it's better than that other guy who isn't one of those people."

That's weird.
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"Aww, it's nice that women are also portrayed as heroes nowadays rather than just housewives or damsels in distress so little girls can idolize them if they so choose"

UnfairRepresent: SEXISM. "YOU PEOPLE." SEGREGATION.
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shockthemonkey posted...

lmao yeah and its segregation for kids to identify with people who look like them right?!

No one ever said that.

gamepimp12 posted...

I can remember as a kid always wanting to be Goku when playing dragon ball Z and occasionally the argument against it would be you cant cause Goku isnt black.

And yet here you are instead of saying "Black kids can pretend to be Goku" you're saying "Those bullies are right, Black people shouldn't get attached to Goku, they should find more black people to aspire to" without irony.

You're siding with the logic of the jerks instead of opposing it.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

"Aww, it's nice that women are also portrayed as heroes nowadays rather than just housewives or damsels in distress so little girls can idolize them if they so choose"

UnfairRepresent: SEXISM. "YOU PEOPLE." SEGREGATION.

No one said that either.

I repeat, you have no point aside from strawmen, insults and evasions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqpq9tP14PA
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LightningAce11 posted...

gamepimp12 posted...

Bottom line is race and sex are key identifiers so its extremely encouraging to see someone like you do something

This is probably it.

There's no reason you can't identify with someone outside your race.

It's just nice to see someone who looks similar.

Like as a black kid prior to Obama I wouldnt of believed Id see a black man as president sure it was possible but didnt but seem likely.

Id imagine a black kid now adays doesnt think that
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shockthemonkey posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

"This kid is doing something cute and likes this guy."

Cool

This is it, there isnt more to it.

No that's my stance.

TC's stance is that there is more to it because it's you people correctly alongside another one of you people. And that makes it superior.

I don't agree. I see it as equal,
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I repeat, you have no point aside from strawmen, insults and evasions:

How can you say this when you're the poster child of snide insults, evasions and strawman arguments, just like you're doing here?
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Aeriis posted...

TC has a great point. I was a bookworm with frizzy hair and bad teeth (braces ftw) and seeing a character like Hermione gave me a lot of confidence as a kid.

This is why diversity in movies can be awesome.

No, Aeriis.

It is you who are the sexist bully.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

TC's stance is that there is more to it because it's you people correctly alongside another one of you people. And that makes it superior.

This is still not true no matter how much you say it.

My stance is "It's nice that if they would like to identify with someone who looks like them, that's an option."

Your stance is "It doesn't matter if every character ever is a straight white male, they can identify with them because we're all equal."
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Of course it's pandering. They forgot to give Laura Dern's character problem glasses.


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I wonder if Unfair gets upset when New York makes a big deal over movies that are set in New York.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

This is still not true no matter how much you say it.

It is heartwarming that if a kid identifies more with a person who looks like them

uhuh...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

Your stance is "It doesn't matter if every character ever is a straight white male, they can identify with them because we're all equal."

Again, Strawman, insults, deflection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqpq9tP14PA
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Yeah they should just fill movies with as many minorities as possible so that I can feel better if one happens to slightly look similar to me
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UnfairRepresent posted...

It is heartwarming that if a kid identifies more with a person who looks like them

uhuh...

Good job deliberately cutting out the rest of my sentence, which was "then it's an option"

Can you read?

"It is heartwarming that IT IS AN OPTION"

jfc
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You've said repeatedly over and over and over and over and over again that it's better, superior for people who can be categorized as a group, as a "you people" feel a connection to each other. Rather than anyone with anyone else.

Then you run away when people say that's a bad thing.

The question you won't answer:

Why is it superior that some girl likes Rey as opposed to Lando? Or Goku? or Lara Croft? Or Kano?

In fact imagine it's some person with a bag on their head. You have no idea who or what they are, where they come from ,what they look like. And they say they love B.D Joe from Crazy Taxi.

Then they take their sack of and.... Why is your reaction to that statement any different if under the sack is a white girl or a black boy or a Japanese hermaphrodite?

Answer that honestly. Because the truth you won't admit to is that you're prejudiced.
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shockthemonkey posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

You've said repeatedly over and over and over and over and over again that it's better, superior for people who can be categorized as a group, as a "you people" feel a connection to each other. Rather than anyone with anyone else.

Do you realize how funny it is that you keep repeating this when people can still read tcs posts?

Not really considering TC has repeated that point about 7 times and then just insulted people who question it.

But you haven't done anything else either apart from lie, insult and strawman so...

Same song different chorus really.
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shockthemonkey posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

You've said repeatedly over and over and over and over and over again that it's better, superior for people who can be categorized as a group, as a "you people" feel a connection to each other. Rather than anyone with anyone else.

Do you realize how funny it is that you keep repeating this when people can still read tcs posts?

lol this

I have never once said what you're claiming I have said repeatedly. Everyone else can read my posts.
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And as always, ducks the question
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UnfairRepresent posted...

And as always, ducks the question

You... didn't post a question.

He's slipping, dudes.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

I have never once said what you're claiming I have said repeatedly.

Mr_Biscuit posted...

I know it can go too far sometimes, but representation DOES matter to these young fans. Its internalized.

Mr_Biscuit posted...

I said it is heartwarming that there are options, that some kids are clearly reveling in having more options.

Hopefully grown-ass adults arent as preoccupied, but the reality is little kids especially notice when a girl can be a Jedi, when an Asian girl saves the day, when a black guy is one of the leads

It is heartwarming that if a kid identifies more with a person who looks like them

You're right that you never "once" said it.

You said it like 6 or 7 times.
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

You... didn't post a question.

UnfairRepresent posted...

You've said repeatedly over and over and over and over and over again that it's better, superior for people who can be categorized as a group, as a "you people" feel a connection to each other. Rather than anyone with anyone else.

Then you run away when people say that's a bad thing.

The question you won't answer:

Why is it superior that some girl likes Rey as opposed to Lando? Or Goku? or Lara Croft? Or Kano?

In fact imagine it's some person with a bag on their head. You have no idea who or what they are, where they come from ,what they look like. And they say they love B.D Joe from Crazy Taxi.

Then they take their sack of and.... Why is your reaction to that statement any different if under the sack is a white girl or a black boy or a Japanese hermaphrodite?

Answer that honestly. Because the truth you won't admit to is that you're prejudiced.

I asked two.

Well technically 5 but for the sake of the point, 2.
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I remember when I was a kid thought I looked like kid in Heart of Darkness. A game on PS1. He was a kid who goes on an adventure to save his dog. I remember daydreaming that if it became a movie I could play the lead role.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Alright now post what you thought he said

Those direct quotes I just posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqpq9tP14PA
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Dude, Unfair, real question.

Do you know what the word "if" means?
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And more deflection.

Won't answer the question, won't respond to a point.

Then wonders why peope disagree with prejudiced worldviews
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