Current Events > Being a real life Punisher would be ace

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Imagine, waking up knowing you are going to make the world a better place each day. That when justice fails, you're going to be able to correct it.
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Imagine being shot in the face because you're an idiot who tries to act like a comic book character.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Imagine being shot in the face because you're an idiot who tries to act like a comic book character.

And how would that happen if you had his skill set? Special forces/weapons training, hand to hand combat skills, and plenty of armaments.
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Punisher is a very cool power fantasy but in reality you would be dead or imprisoned very quickly.

Kinda like William Bonin?
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NYmasajista posted...

Punisher is a very cool power fantasy but in reality you would be dead or imprisoned very quickly.

But it would be awesome if every gang member, drug dealer, terrorist, spouse beater, child abuser, etc knew that were going to be murdered on the depot. Crime would drop dramatically.

Years ago my uncle was killed by a drunk driver. All she got was a slap on the wrist. She needed some punisher justice.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Imagine being shot in the face because you're an idiot who tries to act like a comic book character.

And how would that happen if you had his skill set? Special forces/weapons training, hand to hand combat skills, and plenty of armaments.

no amount of training can make you as bad as Punisher. You're completely out of touch with reality if you think special forces training can prevent you from eventually dying or getting caught.
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you'd die in like a week
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Behaviorism posted...

NYmasajista posted...

Punisher is a very cool power fantasy but in reality you would be dead or imprisoned very quickly.

But it would be awesome if every gang member, drug dealer, terrorist, spouse beater, child abuser, etc knew that were going to be murdered on the depot. Crime would drop dramatically.

Years ago my uncle was killed by a drunk driver. All she got was a slap on the wrist. She needed some punisher justice.

You mean how the Death Row stopped terrorists and murders from doing their stuff?
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NYmasajista posted...

Punisher is a very cool power fantasy but in reality you would be dead or imprisoned very quickly.

Imprisoned, yes. Dead? Probably not. As long as you literally cut ties with everyone you've ever known, never make any connections with another human being, and have overkill on your mind when it comes to security. I mean 10+ years of building underground bunkers with so many traps you yourself would be fucked trying to break in.

You'd have to have a ridiculous amount of money and conviction, but if the law didn't get involved, no one you don't want to get to you could if you planned enough.

We'll never know what's possible I guess.
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Foppe posted...

Behaviorism posted...

NYmasajista posted...

Punisher is a very cool power fantasy but in reality you would be dead or imprisoned very quickly.

But it would be awesome if every gang member, drug dealer, terrorist, spouse beater, child abuser, etc knew that were going to be murdered on the depot. Crime would drop dramatically.

Years ago my uncle was killed by a drunk driver. All she got was a slap on the wrist. She needed some punisher justice.

You mean how the Death Row stopped terrorists and murders from doing their stuff?

I never said it would end crime, I said it would reduce it
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any normal person would be in a coma and in recovery for months if they took a beating like the punisher did in a couple scenes in the show.

But yeah, you would be dead or in jail pretty quick. the cops / baddies were pretty incompetent in the show.
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Behaviorism posted...

NYmasajista posted...

Punisher is a very cool power fantasy but in reality you would be dead or imprisoned very quickly.

But it would be awesome if every gang member, drug dealer, terrorist, spouse beater, child abuser, etc knew that were going to be murdered on the depot. Crime would drop dramatically.

Years ago my uncle was killed by a drunk driver. All she got was a slap on the wrist. She needed some punisher justice.

Lets put it to you this way. In Death Note that was able to be done remotely in stealth by a highly intelligent human being, and he was still caught.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

but if the law didn't get involved,

That's a bit of a tall order. Anyone who tried to pull shit the Punisher does in real life would likely find themselves in a shootout with the cops.
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So Osama bin Laden can hide for years, but a Punisher type person couldn't? And no competency is needed to get blown up. The Punisher uses guerilla tactics mostly. Then when you're done Punishing you go back to your underground bunker designed to horribly kill any and all intruders. Thermite, liquid nitrogen, explosives, potent acid, spike pits, automated guns, etc.

Unless everything runs on a central power grid, no one is getting past all of that even if they know who you are.

It sounds ridiculous but it would work for a while. Your only risk would be in the field, which can be minimized with technology and pre-planning.
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Vermander posted...

Behaviorism posted...

NYmasajista posted...

Punisher is a very cool power fantasy but in reality you would be dead or imprisoned very quickly.

But it would be awesome if every gang member, drug dealer, terrorist, spouse beater, child abuser, etc knew that were going to be murdered on the depot. Crime would drop dramatically.

Years ago my uncle was killed by a drunk driver. All she got was a slap on the wrist. She needed some punisher justice.

Lets put it to you this way. In Death Note that was able to be done remotely in stealth by a highly intelligent human being, and he was still caught.

Bad example. Light is the complete opposite of the type of killer I'm talking about. He got cocky and stupid. Wasn't paranoid enough for his own good and stuck his neck out constantly with no back up plan. Just dove headfirst into killing.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

So Osama bin Laden can hide for years, but a Punisher type person couldn't?

Osama Bin Laden hid in caves for years, he didn't head directly into the main bases of American forces to take them all out single-handedly.
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Where's Osama Bin Hidin?
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So go to the base, read the wind direction, and release some VX gas into it. No half measures. Of course you don't go in guns blazing. You figure out the optimal way to kill your target and go that route. If that's face to face, great. If it's pushing a button from miles away, that works too.
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The Punisher is a nutcase
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...so it is possible to be a real life Punisher if you hide in a cave in the Middle East when you are not trying to find drug dealers to kill or passing the airport?
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tc plays too many video games
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You're not supposed to see Punisher as a good person or hero.

The Netflix show made him too likable tbh
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I too would like to wake up every day in a cold sweat due to PTSD from having my family killed in cold blood
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With social media? Would definitely be caught quickly.
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People seem to confuse the Punisher with not having Super Powers with somehow *not* being Super Human.

Like, 616 Punisher uses all sorts of special tech these days when taking down criminals. He also has access to futuristic medicine.

MAX comics Punisher is literally insane to the point that he can completely block out pain.
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You say this would reduce crime, but clearly not since the murder rate would go through the roof.

And it's not like you're gonna stop being the Punisher after all the gang members and rapists are dead. Then you'll start going after shoplifters, jaywalkers, and people who pull the tags off mattresses
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TC is the kind of nut job you see on the 5:00 news.
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Ivynn posted...

You're not supposed to see Punisher as a good person or hero.

The Netflix show made him too likable tbh

I see him as a good person. Same with Judge Dredd.
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The Punisher has a much stricter code than you do tbh. He'd view you as he did those 3 knock-offs in Ennis' run.

Although I think he's a positive force on the universe, he is most certainly a bad person. He kills only to satisfy his craving for blood. Organized crime is just a good scapegoat for that

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

With social media? Would definitely be caught quickly.

Why would someone doing these things use social media? You would live off the grid.

And if you mean people taking picture/video of you, simple: kill them and hide the evidence.

I think all that's really required for a real life Punisher is resources and a bit of legitimate psychopathy tbh. You'd just have to be a little more "hands off" than the comic/movie. No risking beatings or whatever. Just be a straight up executioner with absolutely zero moral qualms and make sure you cover yourself to a level bordering on complete paranoia. Someone follows you? Shoot/kill first and ask no questions. Treat anyone who nears you as a threat and put it down with zero hesitation. And of course, where you sleep needs to be impenetrable. Which, believe it or not, should logically be doable.
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eston posted...

You say this would reduce crime, but clearly not since the murder rate would go through the roof.

And it's not like you're gonna stop being the Punisher after all the gang members and rapists are dead. Then you'll start going after shoplifters, jaywalkers, and people who pull the tags off mattresses

That's a pretty bold assumption.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

And if you mean people taking picture/video of you, simple: kill them and hide the evidence.

fyi you are no longer The Punisher if you do this, you are a criminal dirtbag and you're on his list

FrenchCrunch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

And if you mean people taking picture/video of you, simple: kill them and hide the evidence.

fyi you are no longer The Punisher if you do this, you are a criminal dirtbag and you're on his list

Eh, in this scenario he'd be killed getting in someone like I'm describing's way then. Take all restraints off of the Punisher and you'd have what I'm envisioning.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

Eh, in this scenario he'd be killed getting in someone like I'm describing's way then. Take all restraints off of the Punisher and you'd have what I'm envisioning.

Sorry it's early and I'm groggy, not sure what you're saying here

If you're saying he'd get killed because people would notice him, in the comics/show that's not true. He's generally good at avoiding detection but he's been blasted on the news/social media a bunch of times blowing his cover

FrenchCrunch posted...

If you're saying he'd get killed because people would notice him, in the comics/show that's not true. He's generally good at avoiding detection but he's been blasted on the news/social media a bunch of times blowing his cover

In the comic books, the police tolerate him as long as he doesn't hurt any police officers.

As for civilians, he has a ton of fans and those who do not like him are not going to do anything to him because they fear him. He literally just walks around town and eats at diners and shit in the MAX line.

In fact, in the MAX comic books, The second the police actually started trying to take him down, they took him down hard rather quickly and it lead to his death
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FrenchCrunch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Eh, in this scenario he'd be killed getting in someone like I'm describing's way then. Take all restraints off of the Punisher and you'd have what I'm envisioning.

Sorry it's early and I'm groggy, not sure what you're saying here

If you're saying he'd get killed because people would notice him, in the comics/show that's not true. He's generally good at avoiding detection but he's been blasted on the news/social media a bunch of times blowing his cover

I mean my hypothetical person would be able to kill the Punisher if Punisher put him on his list.

And that last part is why you need to kill some who maybe aren't evil. If you let someone blast your identity on the news, you lost. The grander goal of ridding the world of evil would be fucked up by some idiot with a cellphone camera. So in the bigger picture, their deaths, though not in the "code", are necessary if they make it so.
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50Blessings posted...

In the comic books, the police tolerate him as long as he doesn't hurt any police officers.

generally yes. a few police or task forces have gone after him, but if it's anything other than the city as a whole he'll avoid capture

50Blessings posted...

As for civilians, he has a ton of fans and those who do not like him are not going to do anything to him because they fear him. He literally just walks around town and eats at diners and shit in the MAX line.

i always wondered about that. i'm sure part of it is that he doesn't broadcast the skull unless he's working, but people have gotta know his face at that point

MAX ending spoilers

I love how he inspired people to stand up for themselves against criminals

_Goggalor_ posted...

I mean my hypothetical person would be able to kill the Punisher if Punisher put him on his list.

lul

_Goggalor_ posted...

And that last part is why you need to kill some who maybe aren't evil. If you let someone blast your identity on the news, you lost. The grander goal of ridding the world of evil would be fucked up by some idiot with a cellphone camera. So in the bigger picture, their deaths, though not in the "code", are necessary if they make it so.

at this point you are Dexter not The Punisher. and i disagree. if you kill someone for being stupid then you crossed a line and probably have some type of personality disorder beyond even the urge to kill

The problem is that The Punisher has a code where he won't kill innocents, even if they do get in his way.

So like, if you do that, you're not being The Punisher.

Like, a big thing about the Punisher is that he doesn't really give a shit about his cover. At least in the comic books. The second you're about self preservation in *that* sense, you cease being The Punisher.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

The problem is that The Punisher has a code where he won't kill innocents, even if they do get in his way.

So like, if you do that, you're not being The Punisher.

Like, a big thing about the Punisher is that he doesn't really give a shit about his cover. At least in the comic books. The second you're about self preservation in *that* sense, you cease being The Punisher.

yeah. in fact there have been a couple of occasions where Frank attempts/succeeds in committing suicide due to having killed an innocent (or believing he has)

If we start killing innocent persons just because they are at the wrong place at the wrong time, why not just carpet bomb the slums as well?
Sure, we will get some innocent deaths, but think of all the dead drug dealers, drug users and gang membets, that clearly justifies it, right?
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So what the world really needs is a Dexter with the resources and training of Punisher. Gives me an idea for a character.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

So what the world really needs is a Dexter with the resources and training of Punisher. Gives me an idea for a character.

a sociopath willing to kill innocents in the name of the greater good is a very common villain trope

Did Dexter kill innocents?
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Did Dexter kill innocents?

a couple times

Foppe posted...

If we start killing innocent persons just because they are at the wrong place at the wrong time, why not just carpet bomb the slums as well?
Sure, we will get some innocent deaths, but think of all the dead drug dealers, drug users and gang membets, that clearly justifies it, right?

If I'm a half crazed killing machine taking out bad guys, and I tell people explicitly not to film, put me on the news, etc. or else they'll be hurt, and then they go and do it any way, how is it my fault for protecting my identity/location? You're the one that was being stupid. How can I continue to take out evil if I can't maintain anonymity? Anyone caught trying to find me out to put me on the news clearly wants to stop me, so they have to go.
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FrenchCrunch posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Did Dexter kill innocents?

a couple times

Hmm I stopped watching after Season 4 so I really don't remember that.

I just remember he was really conflicted over what to do with Doakes.
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FrenchCrunch posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

So what the world really needs is a Dexter with the resources and training of Punisher. Gives me an idea for a character.

a sociopath willing to kill innocents in the name of the greater good is a very common villain trope

Yeah, but my guy would be the hero and seen as such.
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The only way to kill Evil is to be like Zamasu from Dragonball Super once all humans are dead then there can be no evil because evil is a human concept and is subjective
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