Poll of the Day > Do you think drugs are bad mmmmkay?

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wolfy42
12/13/17 1:00:45 PM
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I don't think drugs are bad, I think they should be legal and taxed. Not just some drugs, but all da drugs. No more sending people to jail because of them, no more spending tons trying to keep them out of the country etc, instead tax em, and provide help for people that get addicted etc with some of the money you get from taxing them (not to mention all the money you save not fighting to keep drugs out of the country and not incarcerating people who buy/sell them etc.

So yeah, what do you think, should drugs be legal everywhere?

And if they where, would you take them (not saying your not already taking em).
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Guide
12/13/17 1:04:55 PM
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Harder drugs have never improved anyone's lot in life unless they already had some serious medical problems. That being said, the attempts to corral drug use have done as much harm as the drugs themselves, if not more so.
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Mead
12/13/17 1:07:30 PM
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Some of them.

I generally think that natural ones are for the most part ok, but that anything that is manufactured or refined for the sole intent of overloading the pleasure centers of the brain to the point where getting more of the drug becomes the primary motivation in life are destructive pure and simple.
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helIy
12/13/17 1:07:51 PM
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all drugs should be illegal and have more harsher punishments if caught.
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SunWuKung420
12/13/17 1:13:07 PM
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helIy posted...
all drugs should be illegal and have more harsher punishments if caught.


This is the whole problem with our current system, it doesn't work and will never work.

The majority of drug users are responsible members of society.
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wolfy42
12/13/17 1:13:45 PM
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Wow, i thought everyone, or most everyone would hop aboard the free drug train. I do agree some drugs, like heroin, are very negative and cause harm, but I don't think we are accomplishing much by making them illegal.

If drugs where actually legal, we could steer people towards the less dangerous/addictive ones and hopefully at least prevent some people from doing the really hard drugs eventually. Even if that was not the case, I still think the resources are spent better in rehab etc, then trying to prevent people from getting drugs at all by making them illegal.

It seems, from my admittedly limited experience, that you can pretty much still get any drugs you want, it might cost a bit more since it's illegal, and there is some risk involved obviously (which is part of the reason for the cost), but people who want drugs seems to be able to get them, and often are supporting criminals (like murderers etc) in the process.

Would I do the drugs if they were legal? Probably some, just "party" drugs to have more fun when hanging with friends etc. Nothing hard core like heroin, and not even coke etc. I don't really need that to have a good time.

I just think that the war on drugs is sorta like a parent telling their child not to date someone, it just makes that person more attractive, and makes it more likely the child will actually date them.

If nothing else making drugs legal and taxing them could help with the deficit, although at this point the money would probably just go to the rich anyway.
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helIy
12/13/17 1:15:31 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
helIy posted...
all drugs should be illegal and have more harsher punishments if caught.


This is the whole problem with our current system, it doesn't work and will never work.

The majority of drug users are responsible members of society.

get me in office, i'd make it work

i would be feared
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bulbinking
12/13/17 1:18:39 PM
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Everybody does drugs everyday.
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wwinterj25
12/13/17 1:21:27 PM
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Most of them no it's just when abused they become bad just like anything. Take weed for example. I'm all for it for medicinal purposes as it does indeed help some folk with pain they are getting. My sister who is no longer with us tried it and it did seem to help her (in her own words). However those who abuse it for whatever reason are clearly going down a bad road due to the effects it has.

As for the legal side of things weed at least should be made legal and relegated much like tobacco, caffeine or any other legal drugs because it makes it more accessible for those who really need it and makes the drug more safer being as it would be produced by respected companies and not some guy off the street.

I personally however wouldn't use any more drugs then I already do. I smoke tobacco(started vaping recently as a better alternative), drink caffeine and drink alcohol now and then so I believe I already do enough damage to my body. Although in moderation most of these are not that harmful. I also take paracetamol and ibuprofen at times. I generally have hate for pills though so try not to take them unless absolutely needed. Although with that said I still don't wish to go down the pill route with my anxiety issues as that won't fix the problem I have. Plus I'd hate to become addicted to them. Some drugs however should stay illegal for the safety of others more than anything.
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wolfy42
12/13/17 1:28:18 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Plus I'd hate to become addicted to them. Some drugs however should stay illegal for the safety of others more than anything.


I can agree with this, although I'm not sure if making them illegal actually accomplishes much. I also tried to avoid pills forever, but ended up having to take them for my blood sugar levels and for my blood pressure.

I'm not really pro drug use, i'm just pro-drug legalization, possibly with other ways to deter people from doing drugs (That are not mega expensive and conterproductive).

What those ways are (perhaps having programs where you can get tested for drugs and as long as your clean you get a tax break, or a straight % of money gathered from taxing drugs).

In such a system you would lose the extreme cost of fighting drugs, the super extreme cost of incarceration, gain taxes on drugs (Which would be pretty large), and then actually give citizens a portion of that directly for not doing them.

Actual money in your pocket would do more to deter people from doing drugs then anything currently being done, and would cost WAY less.

Do pot, and receive no monies, or stay clean, get blood tested once a month or so (maybe just hair follucule tested whatever), and receive $300 a month (about $10 a day).

Would be WAY cheaper over all then our current setup, and I would certainly choose $300 over getting high a few times at parties etc.
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SinisterSlay
12/13/17 1:29:35 PM
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I'm against them, but weed will be legal July 1st, so my opinion doesn't matter.
So if it has to be legal, i want the same restrictions as smoking and drinking combined.
No public places at all, in your home only, and only if you do not have kids, never in the car, even if you're not the driver.
Caught driving high is immediate 1 year license suspension and maximum demerits on your license. Any accident caused by someone that is high is automatically held at fault no matter what, even if your sitting in your car and someone backs onto you, your at fault. I want it to be so restrictive that only the real die hards will actually bother.
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Guide
12/13/17 1:33:16 PM
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Some drugs however should stay illegal for the safety of others more than anything.


If them being illegal actually reduced availability, I'd be all for it.
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wolfy42
12/13/17 1:38:43 PM
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SinisterSlay posted...
I'm against them, but weed will be legal July 1st, so my opinion doesn't matter.

Your opinion always matters and I can even understand it to some extent, since people on drugs are probably (sometimes) more dangerous then people who are not (although alcohol is/should be considered a drug as well in such cases...but yeah, making alcohol illegal didn't work very well).

I do agree with the driving while high/drunk restrictions. I hate our prison system, but if you physically put other people in harms way, you should be prevented from doing that again.

I would go something like this though.

First time you get caught driving drunk/high as long as nobody was hurt in an accident you have your license suspended for 6 months to give you a taste of what living without a car will be.

Second time it is revoked for life, you can never drive again period (legally).

Any time you are pulled over driving a car without a license, the car is automatically impounded (unless it was stolen), and you get time in jail. This time increases quickly (First time would be fairly low, maybe a month, next a year, and then if you do it again you get sent to a prison where there are no cars, but you can still work etc, you are just in a forced/controlled environment (part of what you make goes to pay for the guards etc, so it's not too expensive to maintain). Security isn't high, but if you escape, the next time you go to a more hard core facility.

Prevent danger to others, but give people the freedom to be a danger to themselves if they want basically.
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wolfy42
12/13/17 1:41:35 PM
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Guide posted...
Some drugs however should stay illegal for the safety of others more than anything.


If them being illegal actually reduced availability, I'd be all for it.


This.

I'm old.

I have many young friends. They can all get drugs at will, as easy as going through a drive through, and often at much later hours. I mean it's seriously crazy how easy it is to get drugs. I can't get cat litter at 3 am as easy as someone could go out and get illegal drugs.

So obviously having them be illegal is not stopping them from being sold and used.We could step up the enforcement, but that would cost even more money.

I still think a monetary incentive for those who will get tested to prove them have not taken drugs is the best solution.It would save money and stop a freakton of drug use.

Course, it also appears like the main thing many younger people actually spend their money on IS drugs, so what would they blow the extra $300 on, if they couldn't spend it on drugs.
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Xfma100
12/13/17 1:43:24 PM
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Guide posted...
Some drugs however should stay illegal for the safety of others more than anything.


If them being illegal actually reduced availability, I'd be all for it.


I can agree with this.
Them being illegal also makes it so criminals can profit a lot off of them...
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Ben111
12/13/17 2:26:54 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
helIy posted...
all drugs should be illegal and have more harsher punishments if caught.


This is the whole problem with our current system, it doesn't work and will never work.

The majority of drug users are responsible members of society.

Anyone who uses drugs is far from responsible. Drugs need to be given a harsher punishments to discourage their use. Like life in prison
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Mead
12/13/17 3:21:08 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
helIy posted...
all drugs should be illegal and have more harsher punishments if caught.


This is the whole problem with our current system, it doesn't work and will never work.

The majority of drug users are responsible members of society.


It is a complicated issue though

I agree that criminalization does more harm than good, but I also have a difficult time imagining anyone leading a non-destructive or productive life on drugs like heroin, fentanyl, crack, meth, or bath salts just to name a few. Making drugs like that legal might solve some problems but it would undoubtedly create many more.
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SunWuKung420
12/13/17 5:13:26 PM
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Ben111 posted...
Anyone who uses drugs is far from responsible.


There are many, many professional people who enjoy drugs recreationally.

Ben111 posted...
Drugs need to be given a harsher punishments to discourage their use. Like life in prison


We already know that this doesn't work.

To keep doing it, is the definition of insanity.
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Ben111
12/13/17 5:16:31 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
Ben111 posted...
Anyone who uses drugs is far from responsible.


There are many, many professional people who enjoy drugs recreationally.

Ben111 posted...
Drugs need to be given a harsher punishments to discourage their use. Like life in prison


We already know that this doesn't work.

To keep doing it, is the definition of insanity.

Illegal Drug users are all criminals by definition. Criminals cannot be responsible
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SunWuKung420
12/13/17 5:23:32 PM
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Ben111 posted...
Illegal Drug users are all criminals by definition. Criminals cannot be responsible


But if they weren't illegal then they wouldn't be criminals. Drugs are only illegal to control us, not to protect us especially how one of the most popular illegal drugs is more useful than most legal drugs.
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Ben111
12/13/17 5:25:48 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
Ben111 posted...
Illegal Drug users are all criminals by definition. Criminals cannot be responsible


But if they weren't illegal then they wouldn't be criminals. Drugs are only illegal to control us, not to protect us especially how one of the most popular illegal drugs is more useful than most legal drugs.

No, they are illegal to protect you. Ifk ehat you are trying to say
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SunWuKung420
12/13/17 5:32:07 PM
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Ben111 posted...
No, they are illegal to protect you.


Keep telling yourself that and while you're at it, get vaccinated.
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Ben111
12/13/17 5:48:39 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
Ben111 posted...
No, they are illegal to protect you.


Keep telling yourself that and while you're at it, get vaccinated.

ewww. I would never get vaccinated
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RomanGhost
12/13/17 5:54:55 PM
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Which drugs?

I mean, weed's cool if you're over 25, but the needle stuff is just a hard no.
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DirtBasedSoap
12/13/17 7:23:07 PM
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driving high isnt even close to the same thing as driving drunk
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