Current Events > Anyone else just not really into Star Wars anymore? (TFA spoilers)

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I used to love it, but ehh. I feel like The Force Awakens kind of reversed any progress RotJ accomplished.

What was the point of defeating the empire, if another "empire" comes along? Whats the point of defeating Darth Vader and the emperor and redeeming him if another "Vader like guy and emperor" comes along? Whats the point of blowing up the Death Star twice if another "Death Star" comes along?

I feel like Star Wars is never going to offer something fresh because of the negative reaction to the prequels.

Apparently people are calling The Last Jedi the best Star Wars movie ever. Even older SW fans who loved the OT.

Asherlee10 posted...

I never really understood the absolute hatred for the prequels.

Weak plots, terrible dialogue at some parts, COMPLETELY screwing up the badass vision people had for Darth Vader by turning him into a whiny little brat, Jar-Jar Binks, etc.

I think people tend to go way overboard with the criticism, but the PT really just isn't very good compared to the OT. Personally, I think they're okay for what they are.

Its just like in real life. Just because we get rid of Osama doesnt mean there wont be another asshole terrorist to take his place. Same with the actual groups like Al Qaeda, ISIS, The Empire, etc.

And if you think about it it makes sense. The empire had been dominating the galaxy for what? 20-30 years? I forget. But for it to just completely disappear just because Palp and Vader are gone would be more ridiculous.
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I have almost no interest in the new ones. The last time I was excited about Star Wars was when Ep.3 came out, which was weird because I didn't give half a shit about 1 or 2
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Nope, I'm still definitely really into star wars
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Touch posted...

Its just like in real life. Just because we get rid of Osama doesnt mean there wont be another asshole terrorist to take his place. Same with the actual groups like Al Qaeda, ISIS, The Empire, etc.

And if you think about it it makes sense. The empire had been dominating the galaxy for what? 20-30 years? I forget. But for it to just completely disappear just because Palp and Vader are gone would be more ridiculous.

This.
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Mikablu posted...

Apparently people are calling The Last Jedi the best Star Wars movie ever. Even older SW fans who loved the OT.

A lot of people said the exact same thing about TFA
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To me its because they're making movies every year now. So its not as special anymore.

I liked the prequels, but the advancing series just isn't convincing me to pay that ticket price anymore.
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Asherlee10 posted...

BlueBoy675 posted...

Mikablu posted...

Apparently people are calling The Last Jedi the best Star Wars movie ever. Even older SW fans who loved the OT.

A lot of people said the exact same thing about TFA

And some people probably mean it. That's cool though.

Yeah I mean it's fine. Just making the point that saying "people are calling it the best thing ever" means nothing.
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The Last Jedi is really The Last Hope.
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Touch posted...

Its just like in real life. Just because we get rid of Osama doesnt mean there wont be another asshole terrorist to take his place. Same with the actual groups like Al Qaeda, ISIS, The Empire, etc.

And if you think about it it makes sense. The empire had been dominating the galaxy for what? 20-30 years? I forget. But for it to just completely disappear just because Palp and Vader are gone would be more ridiculous.

this isn't representative of the film's events

these are the film's events:

1) first order is a medium sized terrorist group of empire loyalists/holdouts within the new republic, an organization that rose up and completely replaced the empire

2) leia's rebellion remained separate from the new republic because they saw the first order as an existential threat; the new republic did nothing

3) the first order completely destroyed the new republic in the first film, wiping out their entire capital system, using a planet-sized death star, and now dominates the galaxy in the power vacuum, even though their death star was also destroyed by the rebellion

functionally, the movie basically said "all that stuff you guys did in the OT? we're taking it away in one scene. reset, back to start. rebels vs empire, just with new characters (and some old ones we're gonna kill off)."
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Are they stopping at 9 "main" movies?
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bluezero posted...

Are they stopping at 9 "main" movies?

nah

the bad guys are called the first order

movies 10-12 will be about the second order and their death sun which blows up the galaxy the new new republic rules from in the first movie of that trilogy, and the still-rebels will find the weak spot to make it go supernova

tbh the reversion to the status quo of episode IV is probably the most egregious 'copycat' thing about episode VII.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I never really understood the absolute hatred for the prequels. I actually enjoy them. Sure, there are some corny parts and parts that don't make sense in the SW Universe, but whatever. It's still enjoyable.

They're coarse and rough and irritating and they get everywhere.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I never really understood the absolute hatred for the prequels. I actually enjoy them. Sure, there are some corny parts and parts that don't make sense in the SW Universe, but whatever. It's still enjoyable.

I'm less in the "prequels are overhated" and more "originals are overrated" category.

I mean, the OT is alright. But I'm not convinced they hold up as great movies watching it these days.
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Darkman124 posted...

death sun

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sun_Crusher

>_>
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But seriously, 2 is probably the worst movie I've ever seen.

Obi-wan talks about directions in space using the word SOUTH.
Jango uses sonic weaponry IN SPACE.
Obi and Anikin can detect an insect in another room while distracted by an argument but can't detect an assassin sneaking up on them while actively looking for a threat.
Obi lectures Anikin about being rash then jumps out the thousandth floor window, then immediately shows irritation at Anikin for jumping out of the car.
We get to listen to Obi and Anakin talk about their misadventures while we watch them ride the elevator.
A monster disarms a jedi by hitting the blade of the lightsaber.
The majority of the main characters do absolutely nothing for most of the movie (Anakin and Padme roll in the flowers while Yoda meditates) while Obi stumbles his way into saving the galaxy like it's a 90's cartoon. "Oh cool an army. Good thing we found one just before the battle."
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DevsBro posted...

But seriously, 2 is probably the worst movie I've ever seen.

Obi-wan talks about directions in space using the word SOUTH.
Jango uses sonic weaponry IN SPACE.
Obi and Anikin can detect an insect in another room while distracted by an argument but can't detect an assassin sneaking up on them while actively looking for a threat.
Obi lectures Anikin about being rash then jumps out the thousandth floor window, then immediately shows irritation at Anikin for jumping out of the car.
We get to listen to Obi and Anakin talk about their misadventures while we watch them ride the elevator.
A monster disarms a jedi by hitting the blade of the lightsaber.
The majority of the main characters do absolutely nothing for most of the movie (Anakin and Padme roll in the flowers while Yoda meditates) while Obi stumbles his way into saving the galaxy like it's a 90's cartoon. "Oh cool an army. Good thing we found one just before the battle."

To be fair, everything that Obiwan did is a reason WHY Anakin turned to the dark side. It basically showed that Obiwan was a lousy teacher and hypocritical himself, along with the Jedi who were supposed to be perfect peacekeepers, who just wanted more power themselves. Hence, why Anakin eventually turned.

That theme was presented in all of the prequel movies from the beginning, even I understood that watching them as a kid, that the Jedi were supposed to be all-powerful, but had major flaws and issues.

It always baffles me that people who critique the prequels for this...is basically what the movies were intended to portray the Jedi and Anakin as.

Jabodie posted...

I mean, the OT is alright. But I'm not convinced they hold up as great movies watching it these days.

I agree. I enjoy star wars, but I feel that Empire is the only one that holds up as a great film today, while the rest are cheesy films saved by a couple actors/scenes and the soundtrack
still fun to me, but yeah
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Star wars is now comic book movie tier for me. I don't go out of my way to watch them but don't dislike them, they are just stupid, fun diversions
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rattlesnake30 posted...

I used to love it, but ehh. I feel like The Force Awakens kind of reversed any progress RotJ accomplished.

What was the point of defeating the empire, if another "empire" comes along? Whats the point of defeating Darth Vader and the emperor and redeeming him if another "Vader like guy and emperor" comes along? Whats the point of blowing up the Death Star twice if another "Death Star" comes along?

I feel like Star Wars is never going to offer something fresh because of the negative reaction to the prequels.

The problem with Disney taking over vs. when Lucas did them is that Star Wars to Disney is all about a cash grab. Like they can't come up with anything original or new and harken back to the old movies to throw in your face "hey, look, it's an X-Wing! It's a Death Star! a lightsaber.....look it's STAR WARS EVERYBODY! NOW BUY STUFF!!!!"

The new movies also are coming out too fast that it's hard to get hyped about them. At least with the prequels, the hype between the movies was cool because it was 3 years in between the releases. But now, you can't go anywhere without being reminded that there's a new Star Wars movie coming out and it's literally everywhere all year. It kinda killed the energy and specialness of the series, imo, that Star Wars is no longer special or cool to me.

star wars was never special
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XXmiznatorXX posted...

To be fair, everything that Obiwan did is a reason WHY Anakin turned to the dark side. It basically showed that Obiwan was a lousy teacher and hypocritical himself, along with the Jedi who were supposed to be perfect peacekeepers, who just wanted more power themselves. Hence, why Anakin eventually turned.

That theme was presented in all of the prequel movies from the beginning, even I understood that watching them as a kid, that the Jedi were supposed to be all-powerful, but had major flaws and issues.

Ok true, I hadn't thought of it that way.

But that's only one bullet point. The film is full of errors and bad writing.
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XXmiznatorXX posted...

DevsBro posted...

But seriously, 2 is probably the worst movie I've ever seen.

Obi-wan talks about directions in space using the word SOUTH.
Jango uses sonic weaponry IN SPACE.
Obi and Anikin can detect an insect in another room while distracted by an argument but can't detect an assassin sneaking up on them while actively looking for a threat.
Obi lectures Anikin about being rash then jumps out the thousandth floor window, then immediately shows irritation at Anikin for jumping out of the car.
We get to listen to Obi and Anakin talk about their misadventures while we watch them ride the elevator.
A monster disarms a jedi by hitting the blade of the lightsaber.
The majority of the main characters do absolutely nothing for most of the movie (Anakin and Padme roll in the flowers while Yoda meditates) while Obi stumbles his way into saving the galaxy like it's a 90's cartoon. "Oh cool an army. Good thing we found one just before the battle."

To be fair, everything that Obiwan did is a reason WHY Anakin turned to the dark side. It basically showed that Obiwan was a lousy teacher and hypocritical himself, along with the Jedi who were supposed to be perfect peacekeepers, who just wanted more power themselves. Hence, why Anakin eventually turned.

That theme was presented in all of the prequel movies from the beginning, even I understood that watching them as a kid, that the Jedi were supposed to be all-powerful, but had major flaws and issues.

It always baffles me that people who critique the prequels for this...is basically what the movies were intended to portray the Jedi and Anakin as.

You're giving the prequels and by extension George Lucas way too much credit here.
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But it's a common story trope. The seemingly wise group of warriors that died out turned out to be a bunch of hypocrites who basically contributed to their own extinction

And as badass as Darth Vader was by the time the original trilogy was happening, Anakin of the prequels haven't been free to do evil things until the end of the 3rd movie. I think people expected the fill-in between the 3rd and the 4th episodes within the prequels and got something before that instead
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BlueBoy675 posted...

XXmiznatorXX posted...

DevsBro posted...

But seriously, 2 is probably the worst movie I've ever seen.

Obi-wan talks about directions in space using the word SOUTH.
Jango uses sonic weaponry IN SPACE.
Obi and Anikin can detect an insect in another room while distracted by an argument but can't detect an assassin sneaking up on them while actively looking for a threat.
Obi lectures Anikin about being rash then jumps out the thousandth floor window, then immediately shows irritation at Anikin for jumping out of the car.
We get to listen to Obi and Anakin talk about their misadventures while we watch them ride the elevator.
A monster disarms a jedi by hitting the blade of the lightsaber.
The majority of the main characters do absolutely nothing for most of the movie (Anakin and Padme roll in the flowers while Yoda meditates) while Obi stumbles his way into saving the galaxy like it's a 90's cartoon. "Oh cool an army. Good thing we found one just before the battle."

To be fair, everything that Obiwan did is a reason WHY Anakin turned to the dark side. It basically showed that Obiwan was a lousy teacher and hypocritical himself, along with the Jedi who were supposed to be perfect peacekeepers, who just wanted more power themselves. Hence, why Anakin eventually turned.

That theme was presented in all of the prequel movies from the beginning, even I understood that watching them as a kid, that the Jedi were supposed to be all-powerful, but had major flaws and issues.

It always baffles me that people who critique the prequels for this...is basically what the movies were intended to portray the Jedi and Anakin as.

You're giving the prequels and by extension George Lucas way too much credit here.

I'm not a prequel lover or hater, but that's basically what the story was trying to tell.

The execution of it was pretty poor, but, the underlying themes are that the Jedi were too arrogant to realize their own ways weren't really that good, and vice versa. Anakin was sorta that "grey" Jedi, so-to-speak, who was in the middle.

If Lucas had let his ex-wife or Spielberg or someone else handle the directing/editing, the prequels would've been pretty awesome. Lucas focused WAYYY too much on the politics (Trade Routes? ZZZZ) and spent way too much trying to make Jar Jar work and for some reason, give us kiddy Anakin. I was expecting Episode I to mirror Episode IV , and they kinda did...but...Anakin should've been a teenager (Anakin is Luke's age and is training to be a badass Jedi) and all the droid army stuff could've been done away with and focused more on the Jedi themselves.

I like the PT and OT, so far I hate the ST as it is just not good, more like recycled poor mans OT with more bs, gimmicks, and wannabes.

TFA was shit, RG1 was much better but still nothing for Disney SW feels needed or good enough considering how much they can do with it.

Last great SW movie was ROTS in 2005, and in my book TCW tv show was the last good thing for SW.
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Enthusiasm evaporated when it became apparent Last Jedi would be another OT. I could understand them doing it for Force Awakens, as a sure bet out the gate but twice in a row, nope that's a no-go.

I enjoyed Force Awakens a lot the first time but it doesn't hold up. It relies too heavily on tricking you with nostalgia. Some of it's appropriate sure but when the new characters are either obnoxious or a Mary-Sue... yeah. Kylo's character is fine though.
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I kind of figured TFA was done they way they did it as a safe start type thing. Which made sense since they were starting up with a beloved franchise and wanted to show they weren't going to screw it all up.

That being said though, they really could have fleshed out so much more than they did to make it more interesting. I don't think a lot of what they had going on translated well. Such as when the First Order blows up the Hosnian system. The first time I watched it I just didn't remember what that system was and why it was important to begin with. Also was confused with what Leia's role was exactly in the whole thing.

I didn't catch a lot of what exactly was going on until I started reading the books they have been coming out with.
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when the Roman empire fell, thousands of years later Hitler tried to bring it back again calling it the third Reich

because before him another person tried to make the 2nd Holy Roman Empire
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Lost interest after Disney

The TLJ spoilers I read on Reddit was disappointing. I was expecting more out Rian Johnson. Dont expect a deep story.
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cerealbox760 posted...

The TLJ spoilers I read on Reddit was disappointing. I was expecting more out Rian Johnson. Dont expect a deep story.

I dunno why people actually attribute good story with Star Wars in general. I'd look to Star Trek for something like that instead. It's always been a SW for action and ST for story for me, but people seem to think SW does everything
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