Current Events > Saitama's feat is actually kinda good now in light of DBS ep (spoilers for both)

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Saitama had broken out of what was said to be essentially a black hole in the 2nd to last episode of One Punch Man.

Of course many DB fans said this wasn't a good feat because that couldn't have been a real black hole. It wasn't impressive looking and if it was a real black hole would have sucked in the area around it.

Well in the lastest DB Super episode, 3 characters made essentially the same thing that violated the same rules. It didn't suck in everything like a real black hole would have.

And yet, it still was able to keep Goku down for a bit, stop him from using IT and render both androids immoble. Goku ofc while not being able to free himself was able to fire a kamehameha out of it and defeat the users.

Saitama was like, "huh? your attack did nothing"

Seems to me, this puts Saitama above the level of current SSB Goku.

tl;dr

black hole attack was able to:
1. trap goku, make him almost unable to move
2. did nothing to Saitama
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This is a serious post
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Saitama would beat Goku in one punch. He's a gag character, his power is in constant flux with comedic value. Beating Goku in one punch would be hilarious, so that's exactly what he would do.

DBS went out of its way to show that gag strength is OP as heck in its universe and people are still making Saitama vs Goku posts smh
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hortanz posted...

DBS went out of its way to show that gag strength is OP as heck in its universe and people are still making Saitama vs Goku posts smh

?
What do you mean?

Who has gag strength?
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There was an episode with Arale 1 or 2 arcs ago where she wrecked Vegeta and he admits that gag characters are in another class entirely
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hortanz posted...

There was an episode with Arale 1 or 2 arcs ago where she wrecked Vegeta and he admits that gag characters are in another class entirely

pretty sure that was filler...
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There is no filler in DBS
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Chicken_Butt posted...

Saitama would beat Goku in one punch. He's a gag character, his power is in constant flux with comedic value. Beating Goku in one punch would be hilarious, so that's exactly what he would do.

I don't think he'd beat a fully powered up Goku in one punch since he'd probably use a normal punch and Goku can probably take one of those.

Then we'd have a 10-minute screaming scene where Goku progressively gets 8 new super saiyan forms, THEN Saitama would use a serious punch and Goku would be instantly killed.
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hortanz posted...

DBS is filler

ftfy
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the last episode was better than a good chunk of Z episodes tbh
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hortanz posted...

the last episode was better than a good chunk of Z episodes tbh

meh, I see they copied multiverse's namek idea though
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That wasn't a black hole at all that Saitama broke out of.
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Knowledge_King posted...

That wasn't a black hole at all that Saitama broke out of.

Neither was what Goku broke out of, and they were similar to each other.

I mean, the love trio was like "not even light can escape!" yet none of the light around the heart was actually captured.

I guess you can say these characters didn't make a black hole but made an attack where at a fine point it had the gravity equivalent pull of what it would feel to be inside a black hole.
And Saitama was like "huh?"
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arale >>>>>>>>saitama
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You just refuse to admit that Saitama fights weaker opponents than Goku does. The gravity attack that Saitama had to contend with was barely strong enough to just crack the floor of the ship that he was fighting on. On the other hand the one that Goku had to deal with was much more powerful. Kachin metal, as shown in DBZ, is the most dense substance in the universe. It was so strong it broke the Z sword, the sword that was so heavy that Goku couldn't even lift and Gohan had to go through considerable training just to wield. The material comprising the arena for the Tournament of Power is explicitly stated to be stronger than kachin. The gravity attack that Goku destroyed was so strong it bore through the arena like a hot knife through butter. Goku blew it away immediately after fighting 3 dudes immediately after fighting kefla immediately after fighting Kale and Caulifla immediately after getting his ass kicked by Jiren.

Goku > Saitama and it's not even close.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

I guess you can say these characters didn't make a black hole but made an attack where at a fine point it had the gravity equivalent pull of what it would feel to be inside a black hole.
And Saitama was like "huh?"

Nah I'd just say neither are close to a black hole in any way.
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Knowledge_King posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

I guess you can say these characters didn't make a black hole but made an attack where at a fine point it had the gravity equivalent pull of what it would feel to be inside a black hole.
And Saitama was like "huh?"

Nah I'd just say neither are close to a black hole in any way.

Well, either way, this is a similar enough attack to compare Saitama and Goku, real black hole or not.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Knowledge_King posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

I guess you can say these characters didn't make a black hole but made an attack where at a fine point it had the gravity equivalent pull of what it would feel to be inside a black hole.
And Saitama was like "huh?"

Nah I'd just say neither are close to a black hole in any way.

Well, either way, this is a similar enough attack to compare Saitama and Goku, real black hole or not.

Sorta like how being punched is similar to being shot.
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There's no point of trying to compare Saitama to anyone. As far as we know he might not have any limits. Hell, he could survive even sun sized spirit bomb that has 10% of all the energy in the known universe. We just don't know what hurts him, if anything does.

Until, we see something to cause medium damage to Saitama, or see someone who can take hist punches without dying we should assume he can't be defeated by even the most powerful comic book characters.
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Sami1000 posted...

There's no point of trying to compare Saitama to anyone. As far as we know he might not have any limits. Hell, he could survive even sun sized spirit bomb that has 10% of all the energy in the known universe.

Until, we see something to cause medium damage to Saitama, or see someone who can take hist punches without dying we should assume he can't be defeated by even the most powerful comic book characters.

That sounds pretty logical.
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I'm just going to say this: Goku's only means of countering Saitama would be "Summon Arale", simple because Saitama getting punk'd by a nerdy looking little robot girl would be even more ridiculous & silly than Saitama giving Goku a one-shot.
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darkbuster posted...

I'm just going to say this: Goku's only means of countering Saitama would be "Summon Arale", simple because Saitama getting punk'd by a nerdy looking little robot girl would be even more ridiculous & silly than Saitama giving Goku a one-shot.

Saitama is like, "You are the one I have been waiting to fight! I can get serious now!"

And their battle ends up blowing up several universes and having GP and Zeno come try to stop them...but ofc they are powerless before these two.
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Sami1000 posted...

There's no point of trying to compare Saitama to anyone. As far as we know he might not have any limits. Hell, he could survive even sun sized spirit bomb that has 10% of all the energy in the known universe. We just don't know what hurts him, if anything does.

Until, we see something to cause medium damage to Saitama, or see someone who can take hist punches without dying we should assume he can't be defeated by even the most powerful comic book characters.

Not true. He got hurt against Boros and Boros took his hits. We know the rough edges of his limits.

Also when someone doesn't show limits, you don't assume the best. That's a No Limits Fallacy. You go off of the best feat they've shown.
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Knowledge_King posted...

Not true. He got hurt against Boros

In what way was he hurt?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/3nsphf/saitama_has_never_been_pushed_in_any_of_his/

Boros thought he got hurt and the "narrator" hypes it up as he took damage. But answer in what way he took damage and you clearly see he was not hurt. Was his skull fractured? Was he bruised? Did he bleed internally? We don't see any of this.

Explain how he was hurt.
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That wasn't an actual black hole in DBS, it was just the name of the attack.

An actual black hole wouldn't sink into the ground.

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...

That wasn't an actual black hole in DBS, it was just the name of the attack.

An actual black hole wouldn't sink into the ground.

Whatever it was, it was strong enough to hold down Goku and the androids and stop IT.

The implied idea is that maybe it isn't a black hole but has the force of a black hole. That is, within a small area, whatever is inside that area feels the gravity of a black hole.

And that is what the alien dude in OPM claimed to be able to do as well.
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Saitama can't hit goku if he use Ultra Instinct.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...

That wasn't an actual black hole in DBS, it was just the name of the attack.

An actual black hole wouldn't sink into the ground.

Whatever it was, it was strong enough to hold down Goku and the androids and stop IT.

The implied idea is that maybe it isn't a black hole but has the force of a black hole. That is, within a small area, whatever is inside that area feels the gravity of a black hole.

And that is what the alien dude in OPM claimed to be able to do as well.

And the one that Goku had to contend with was stronger than the one Saitama had to contend with. So using them to draw a conclusion about how both would perform against the other is foolish, especially when Goku was operating way below peak condition and Saitama wasn't even winded when he fought his.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...

That wasn't an actual black hole in DBS, it was just the name of the attack.

An actual black hole wouldn't sink into the ground.

Whatever it was, it was strong enough to hold down Goku and the androids and stop IT.

The implied idea is that maybe it isn't a black hole but has the force of a black hole. That is, within a small area, whatever is inside that area feels the gravity of a black hole.

And that is what the alien dude in OPM claimed to be able to do as well.

Nowhere in the show was it implied that it had equal force to a real black hole. That's your assumption based on the name of the attack.

If it had the mass and therefore, gravity of a black hole, then we have to accept that Goku + Androids are faster and more powerful than light.

That's clearly not the case, since IT didn't work. It was strong gravity and mass, but not a black hole.

A_Good_Boy posted...

And the one that Goku had to contend with was stronger than the one Saitama had to contend with. So using them to draw a conclusion about how both would perform against the other is foolish, especially when Goku was operating way below peak condition and Saitama wasn't even winded when he fought his.

the force of black hole is force of a black hole
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yoloyoloswagEMP posted...

If it had the mass and therefore, gravity of a black hole, then we have to accept that Goku + Androids are faster and more powerful than light.

they are actually supposed to be much faster than light
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darkphoenix181 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

And the one that Goku had to contend with was stronger than the one Saitama had to contend with. So using them to draw a conclusion about how both would perform against the other is foolish, especially when Goku was operating way below peak condition and Saitama wasn't even winded when he fought his.

the force of black hole is force of a black hole

Nope, already explained it. And neither attack were black holes anyways.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...

If it had the mass and therefore, gravity of a black hole, then we have to accept that Goku + Androids are faster and more powerful than light.

they are actually supposed to be much faster than light

If they're much faster than light, then what is instant transmission?

I don't understand how this is even a comparison. Saitama would win because watching Goku gib would be funny as hell - and what's funny is what makes the cut in OPM's canon.
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Technically this isn't even a strength feat, a black hole doesn't suck with force, it bends space-time so that all directions lead toward the center.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Nope, already explained it. And neither attack were black holes anyways.

in both cases the people doing the attack said the attack had gravity so strong light could not escape

how is that not a black hole?
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yoloyoloswagEMP posted...

If they're much faster than light, then what is instant transmission?

teleportation
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darkphoenix181 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Nope, already explained it. And neither attack were black holes anyways.

in both cases the people doing the attack said the attack had gravity so strong light could not escape

how is that not a black hole?

What they say doesn't matter as much as the observed effects of those attacks. The attack that Goku had to deal with was more powerful than the one that Saitama dealt with, as I already noted. If you disagree then go ahead and explain why.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Nope, already explained it. And neither attack were black holes anyways.

in both cases the people doing the attack said the attack had gravity so strong light could not escape

how is that not a black hole?

Whis: It must be what they call, "the weight of their love" focused into one point to create a mass of gravity.

The attack is called Pretty Black Hole but no one said anything about light or it having the mass of a black hole.

Edit: My bad, rewatched the scene and they explicitly say light can't escape. Take that back, my memory ain't the greatest.

darkphoenix181 posted...

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...

If they're much faster than light, then what is instant transmission?

teleportation

And what would be the point of teleportation if they're moving faster than light exactly?

Also, if it were an actual black hole, wouldn't the light from Goku's aura be absorbed by it as well?

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...

If they're much faster than light, then what is instant transmission?

teleportation

And what would be the point of teleportation if they're moving faster than light exactly?

Also, if it were an actual black hole, wouldn't the light from Goku's aura be absorbed by it as well?

there isn't much point to it beyond traveling across the universe

fanboys on DB board would argue though that using IT Goku can catach a guy who moves ftl off guard though lmao
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darkphoenix181 posted...

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

yoloyoloswagEMP posted...

If they're much faster than light, then what is instant transmission?

teleportation

And what would be the point of teleportation if they're moving faster than light exactly?

Also, if it were an actual black hole, wouldn't the light from Goku's aura be absorbed by it as well?

there isn't much point to it beyond traveling across the universe

fanboys on DB board would argue though that using IT Goku can catach a guy who moves ftl off guard though lmao

He managed to catch a guy who can freeze time off guard. Let's not go and start telling Goku what he can and can't do.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

What they say doesn't matter as much as the observed effects of those attacks. The attack that Goku had to deal with was more powerful than the one that Saitama dealt with, as I already noted. If you disagree then go ahead and explain why.

You don't have an argument.
1. The attack used against Goku wasn't impressive beyond restraining Goku. Low level scrubs in the ToP can do as much damage to the arena as everyone else. And it didn't even do much damage to the arena but I will rewatch to confirm.
2. Even if this was an impressive feat, you also don't know what the ship of Boros was made out of to say this other BH was much weaker. You only want it to be.
3. Since as explained above neither of these are real black holes, you shouldn't expect much environmental damage anyways. They are focused at a point and inside that point is where the gravitational force of a BH is applied. That is the important part.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

He managed to catch a guy who can freeze time off guard. Let's not go and start telling Goku what he can and can't do.

The reason is because if you can move ftl than you can move to the other side of the planet before Goku appears behind you.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

He managed to catch a guy who can freeze time off guard. Let's not go and start telling Goku what he can and can't do.

The reason is because if you can move ftl than you can move to the other side of the planet before Goku appears behind you.

Fighting hand to hand FTL sounds super convoluted in a way that Toriyama never thought of.

Let's not give the man who literally forgets characters existed too much credit.

1. Go ahead and re-watch that fight then. You're really bad at paying attention so make sure you do it multiple times, even slowing down if you have to. Nobody else has managed to tear up the arena as much as that one attack did. Even the Jiren fight didn't create that much damage.

2. While the makeup of Boros ship isn't determined, one thing is for certain: it's not comprised of the strongest substance in all of the known universes. The arena is though. I'm gonna go ahead and just stop you right there if you're going to argue otherwise, considering the ship was taking pretty considerable damage by OPM characters, where the creator himself characterizes the cast as being city busters and nothing more.

3. The important part is that the damage caused by the black hole attack endured by Goku was greater than the damage caused by the black hole attack endured by Saitama. That's not up for debate. While you're go ahead and re-watch both scenes multiple times and report back your objections.
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Imagine getting this heated in an argument of joke series vs gag series lmao

Shut the fuck up chicken butt.
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