Current Events > Liberals against the tax bill, are you going to donate your savings to charity?

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Since you're so against it, why not just give the money away? Keeping it for yourself seems inauthentic. Maybe help out the disenfranchised?
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What savings
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Since you're so against it, why not just give the money away? Keeping it for yourself seems inauthentic. Maybe help out the disenfranchised?

It's cute that you think the average person will get savings from this. Are you paying any attention at all?

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I'm probably not going to save any money.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/28/upshot/what-the-tax-bill-would-look-like-for-25000-middle-class-families.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/16/senate-tax-bill-cuts-taxes-of-wealthy-and-hikes-taxes-of-families-earning-under-75000-over-a-decade/?utm_term=.b357f54f182a
http://time.com/money/5008798/gop-tax-plan-middle-class-hike/
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"Liberals"

Because conservatives aren't equally pissed about it. Lol you're such a fucking shill

fire_bolt posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Since you're so against it, why not just give the money away? Keeping it for yourself seems inauthentic. Maybe help out the disenfranchised?

It's cute that you think the average person will get savings from this. Are you paying any attention at all?

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Axiom posted...

"Liberals"

Because conservatives aren't equally pissed about it. Lol you're such a fucking shill

the conservatives pissed about it are not rich enough to actually be conservatives that matter. It's more accurate to call them expendable henchmen.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

fire_bolt posted...

Bullet_Wing posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Since you're so against it, why not just give the money away? Keeping it for yourself seems inauthentic. Maybe help out the disenfranchised?

It's cute that you think the average person will get savings from this. Are you paying any attention at all?

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You probably felt you were being really smart when you made this.
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Middle class here. Im getting taxed more and tax bill adds a 1.5 trillion deficit. The rich get tax reductions and im supposed to be happy about it? Crappy deal all around. Lose-lose. Corporate profits are at a all time high. The rich dont need a tax cut. The middle class do. Fiscally responsible republicans know this. Which is why the bill is having a hard time passing. Otherwise passing the bill would have been a no brainer.

This topic is useless because conservatives themselves are not passing the bill. This has nothing to do with liberals and everything to do with conservatives.
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Turbam posted...

You probably felt you were being really smart when you made this.

Probably like those people who quote the infamous Nancy polise quote. It doesn't address anything but it sounds like a nice dig at the liberals which we know ends the argument then and there and makes you the victor.
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So no one is going to answer my question? Literally none of you are going to save any money? I doubt that.
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Capn Circus posted...

Literally none of you are going to save any money? I doubt that.

Have you read the bill?

There's not a lot in the way of tax cuts for lower/middle class folks.
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Capn Circus posted...

So no one is going to answer my question? Literally none of you are going to save any money? I doubt that.

I'm definitely not saving anything. Not sure if I'll end up paying more yet or not
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Who to believe:

A) the CBO that estimates low and middle income families will be worse off

B) some fuckin mook
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Capn Circus posted...

So no one is going to answer my question? Literally none of you are going to save any money? I doubt that.

Well considering I'm not filthy rich or super poor, no I'm not saving.
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@Capn_Circus

Are you familiar with any part of the bill? Or even familiar with the scores it's received?
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Doom_Art posted...

@Capn_Circus

Are you familiar with any part of the bill? Or even familiar with the scores it's received?

He's a trump supporter. Everything goes in one ear and out the other with him.
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If this bill passes, my taxes will be higher than they were this year.
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Lol, how embarrassing for you, TC

I don't own an airplane, so

https://twitter.com/7im/status/936747818923933696
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Liberals screaming "Like this is going to make your life any better!" are the same people who championed the higher tax bracket being raised back up in 2014.... which made your lives no better.
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r4X0r posted...

Liberals

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Doom_Art posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Literally none of you are going to save any money? I doubt that.

Have you read the bill?

There's not a lot in the way of tax cuts for lower/middle class folks.

So you didn't answer my question while at the same time acknowledging savings.

Some people making a few hundred grand a year are going to save several thousand, so sure, they save more. But is a few thousand dollars life changing to them when they make $300,000 per year? No. Is $600-$1,500 life changing for a single person making $45,000 a year? Not particularly.

It all helps, though. For example, if you're single and wind up saving $800---that's still $800 you didn't have. For some, that's free gas for an entire year or more. For others, that's a free trip to Vegas even if you lose gambling. It's a few months worth of food from a grocery store, or it's going out to a nice restaurant and splurging on $50 plates multiple times throughout the year.

So, I'll ask again---what are you going to do with your savings? Most people will save some money. "Not a lot" is relative. It's still saving money.
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I'm going to donate all of it to the DNC so we can fix this fucking disaster Cheeto Man is putting into motion
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@Capn_Circus

Have you read the bill?
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"Most people will save some money"

No, no they in fact won't. You're delusional if you think otherwise. The only thing the average man can hope for is that this bill will leave his status unchanged.

Also, a 15% tax break for the extremely wealthy is FAR more than "several thousand" dollars. Some people will be saving more money than the median income for an American family
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Capn Circus posted...

Most people will save some money

https://www.vox.com/2017/11/16/16665958/jct-analysis-senate-gop-tax-plan

For those of more modest means, however, the news is not so good. By 2027, after most of the individual cuts in the bill expire (and the corporate cuts remain), households earning between $75,000 and $100,000 will see, on average, no tax cut. And households earning less than $75,000 per year will see, on average, a tax increase.

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You realize tax money doesn't just go to the poor. It's used for education, for defense, for research, for infrastructure.
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creativerealms posted...

You realize tax money doesn't just go to the poor. It's used for education, for defense, for research, for infrastructure.

It would be nice if we actually spent more money on infrastructure instead of needlessly inflating our defense budget.
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Antifar posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Most people will save some money

https://www.vox.com/2017/11/16/16665958/jct-analysis-senate-gop-tax-plan

For those of more modest means, however, the news is not so good. By 2027, after most of the individual cuts in the bill expire (and the corporate cuts remain), households earning between $75,000 and $100,000 will see, on average, no tax cut. And households earning less than $75,000 per year will see, on average, a tax increase.

please remember antfair that Poors count as 2/5 of a people
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I'll be the one needing the charity tbh.
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@Capn_Circus

Hello?
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Antifar posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Most people will save some money

https://www.vox.com/2017/11/16/16665958/jct-analysis-senate-gop-tax-plan

For those of more modest means, however, the news is not so good. By 2027, after most of the individual cuts in the bill expire (and the corporate cuts remain), households earning between $75,000 and $100,000 will see, on average, no tax cut. And households earning less than $75,000 per year will see, on average, a tax increase.

Rich get richer and everyone else gets bent over like the local corner girl on friday night

Capn Circus posted...

Antifar posted...

By 2027

30 years from now. Wow. There's actually a decent chance I won't be alive by then. I wonder what could happen between now and then? That's a pretty pitiful click bait article, Antifar, I really did expect better from you.

That's 10 years.
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TIL: It's 1997 apparently
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This is the cronyism you're defending
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/936765722205851648
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Capn Circus posted...

Antifar posted...

By 2027

30 years from now. Wow. There's actually a decent chance I won't be alive by then. I wonder what could happen between now and then? That's a pretty pitiful click bait article, Antifar, I really did expect better from you.

Jesus Christ, I didn't know the American education system had gotten THIS bad.

Either that or Capn is UAU
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Tmaster148 posted...

That's 10 years.

Yeah, I just realized that. Oh I'm sure everyone will be mentioning my gaffe for a year on here.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Capn Circus posted...

Antifar posted...

By 2027

30 years from now. Wow. There's actually a decent chance I won't be alive by then. I wonder what could happen between now and then? That's a pretty pitiful click bait article, Antifar, I really did expect better from you.

That's 10 years.

good lord Capn. :v lay off those paint chips.
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@Capn_Circus

Answer the question please
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Doom_Art posted...

@Capn_Circus

Have you read the bill?

No and either have you @Doom_Art
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Capn Circus posted...

No

@Capn_Circus

So then where did you receive all this information on it?
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I mean, right now NO ONE has read it. It's being edited in REAL TIME behind closed doors. They're trying so hard to force this thru before it runs out of steam like their health care did
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Doom_Art posted...

Capn Circus posted...

No

@Capn_Circus

So then where did you receive all this information on it?

fox and friends + sarah heifer huckabee.
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Capn Circus posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

That's 10 years.

Yeah, I just realized that. Oh I'm sure everyone will be mentioning my gaffe for a year on here.

That does tend to happen when you are uneducated as fuck in the first place and make very little concessions to be a reasonable poster.
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Doom_Art posted...

Capn Circus posted...

No

@Capn_Circus

So then where did you receive all this information on it?

Various sources... some conservative, some liberal, some neutral. It's pretty obvious most people are going to save some money.

You can quit the song and dance of "well not in 8 years". I mean, come on.

So now I've answered yours... answer mine! If you save money, Doom, are you going to give it away because you don't support the bill?
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Capn Circus posted...

It's pretty obvious most people are going to save some money.

Cite one source for that claim.
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