Current Events > What does the Confederate flag mean to you?

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Traitors tried to take over america and failed
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Treason
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A short-lived country that declared slavery to be its cornerstone principle before laughably overextending itself and losing the war for its existence.
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nothing
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrdgFjIEDBs

This is about the battle flag, right? Nobody remembers the actual CSA flag.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

States' rights
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C_Pain posted...

nothing

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Nothing. Its a historical left over that represents a group of people who hated America enough to go to war so they could leave it.

These days if I see you flying it I just assume youre a racist.
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Electrokinesis posted...

C_Pain posted...

nothing

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A whole lot of failure
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Questionmarktarius posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrdgFjIEDBs

Just some good ol' boys never meaning no harm...
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Lynyrd Skynyrd, a glib, right wing facsimile of the Allman Brothers Band, the true kings of Southern Rock.
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Absolutely nothing
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C_Pain posted...

nothing

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Nothing, a relic of the past, a cool logo that I am not offended by.
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It symbolizes losing
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Makes me laugh at all the Democrats and SJWs that think the Confederate were racist Republican. No, the Republican was Abe Lincoln
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Even more freedom than today
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Makes me laugh at all the Democrats and SJWs that think the Confederate were racist Republican. No, the Republican was Abe Lincoln

Who said anything about Republicans?
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Nothing. Its a historical left over that represents a group of people who hated America enough to go to war so they could leave it.

These days if I see you flying it I just assume youre a racist.

There are some black people that display the flag on their vehicles and homes. Would you call them racist?
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It depends on who flies it.

* Slavery (expansionism and/or preservation)
* States Rights (Slavery and/or free trade)
* Anti-Republicanism, Anti-Black, Anti-Immigrant, Anti-Semitism, Anti-Catholicism, Anti-Civil Rights, Anti-Integration
* Southern Nationalism / Neo-Confederate
* Southern Regionalism
* The Lost Cause Movement
* White (Southerner) Supremacy
* Confederate Historiography
* Southern Rock
* Anti-Federalism and/or Anti-Government
* American Rural / Agrarian Traditionalism
* Paleolibertarianism
* Edgelord
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Don't respond to DiffEQ, guys. Just don't do it.
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Antifar posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

Makes me laugh at all the Democrats and SJWs that think the Confederate were racist Republican. No, the Republican was Abe Lincoln

Who said anything about Republicans?

I did

It makes me laugh these days because so many of these social warriors that hate Republicans dont even know Lincoln was one and it the Left that wanted to keep slaves
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Don't respond to DiffEQ, guys. Just don't do it.

Here's just one example that ended up in the news:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-college-student-sparks-debate-hanging-confederate-flag-dorm-room-kind-weird-black-article-1.985611

You can find more examples with a google search. Or, if you live in an area in the south where there are black people and there are people who fly the flag, you will very likely see some black people flying the flag.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

It makes me laugh these days because so many of these social warriors that hate Republicans dont even know Lincoln was one and it the Left that wanted to keep slaves

How do you figure the partisan breakdown of Confederacy debates looks in 2017?
Iowa was a Union state; one of its GOP representatives has a Confederate flag in his office:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2016/07/11/steve-king-provokes-criticism-displaying-confederate-flag/86947746/

In the Virginia governer's race, it was the GOP candidate (born in New Jersey) campaigning on protecting monuments to the confederacy:
https://patch.com/virginia/fredericksburg/virginia-governors-race-2017-monument-issue-looms

The Republican President has made a point of prominently featuring a portrait of Democrat Andrew Jackson, despite outcry from the left
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/trump-and-andrew-jackson/508973/

Lincoln was a Republican, and the Democratic Party was populated by virulent racists from its inception until ~last week. But nobody is looking to die on the hill of protecting 1860 Southerners because they were Democrats or slamming Lincoln because he was Republican. Things have changed slightly in the 150 years since.
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Slavery and treason.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

Nothing. Its a historical left over that represents a group of people who hated America enough to go to war so they could leave it.

These days if I see you flying it I just assume youre a racist.

There are some black people that display the flag on their vehicles and homes. Would you call them racist?

I sure would.
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MLGSerperior111 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

Nothing. Its a historical left over that represents a group of people who hated America enough to go to war so they could leave it.

These days if I see you flying it I just assume youre a racist.

There are some black people that display the flag on their vehicles and homes. Would you call them racist?

I sure would.

Maybe you should consider the arguments that some of them have instead of just assuming that they're racists.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/30/why-some-black-defenders-of-the-

confederate-flag-believe-slavery-was-a-choice/?utm_term=.86eb80de7460

For many Americans, the Confederate battle flag is an unmistakable symbol of slavery and oppression.

But for Karen Cooper, a black woman who was born in New York but later settled in Virginia, the flag embodies something else entirely.

I actually think that it represents freedom, the ardent tea party supporter says in a video interview thats been making the rounds online. It represents a people who stood up to tyranny.

Im not advocating slavery or think that, you know, it was right, she says. It wasnt, and none of my friends think it was. It was just something that happened. It didnt just happen in the South, it happened worldwide.

Besides, she adds, slavery is a choice.

I say that because of what Patrick Henry said: Give me liberty or give me death. To me, if we had went back to that kind of slavery, no I couldnt do it. Give me death.

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Southern heritage. Thats about it.
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Ignorance and possible racism

DifferentialEquation posted...

MLGSerperior111 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

Nothing. Its a historical left over that represents a group of people who hated America enough to go to war so they could leave it.

These days if I see you flying it I just assume youre a racist.

There are some black people that display the flag on their vehicles and homes. Would you call them racist?

I sure would.

Maybe you should consider the arguments that some of them have instead of just assuming that they're racists.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/30/why-some-black-defenders-of-the-

confederate-flag-believe-slavery-was-a-choice/?utm_term=.86eb80de7460

For many Americans, the Confederate battle flag is an unmistakable symbol of slavery and oppression.

But for Karen Cooper, a black woman who was born in New York but later settled in Virginia, the flag embodies something else entirely.

I actually think that it represents freedom, the ardent tea party supporter says in a video interview thats been making the rounds online. It represents a people who stood up to tyranny.

Im not advocating slavery or think that, you know, it was right, she says. It wasnt, and none of my friends think it was. It was just something that happened. It didnt just happen in the South, it happened worldwide.

Besides, she adds, slavery is a choice.

I say that because of what Patrick Henry said: Give me liberty or give me death. To me, if we had went back to that kind of slavery, no I couldnt do it. Give me death.

There are morons of all races, clearly.

To me, the flag is a symbol of treason and oppression.
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ScazarMeltex posted...

Treason

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Treason
Racism
Hate not heritage

It really doesn't mean shit to me
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@DifferentialEquation

How do you have any shred of dignity when your best argument is petty tokenism?
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A symbol that racists and ignorant people hold dearly. For most its not their fault, its the way they and their parents have been raised under the efforts of the Lost Cause Movement.
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Dukes of Hazzard
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A flag representing the south.

This flag crap makes me laugh. Its awful to assume stuff about people but for some reason its okay to assume stuff about people who have this flag. Makes no sense.

Stop stereotyping people its bad, unless I do it then its okay, but fuck you for stereotyping.
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Likely owned by a shitbag.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Maybe you should consider the arguments that some of them have instead of just assuming that they're racists.

Well as a black male myself, I'll stick to slavery = bad, thank you very much.
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MLGSerperior111 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Maybe you should consider the arguments that some of them have instead of just assuming that they're racists.

Well as a black male myself, I'll stick to slavery = bad, thank you very much.

You ignored the rest of my post where I posted an article where a black woman is explaining her reasoning for supporting the flag. Do you think she's a racist?
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Electrokinesis posted...

C_Pain posted...

nothing

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DifferentialEquation posted...

MLGSerperior111 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Maybe you should consider the arguments that some of them have instead of just assuming that they're racists.

Well as a black male myself, I'll stick to slavery = bad, thank you very much.

You ignored the rest of my post where I posted an article where a black woman is explaining her reasoning for supporting the flag. Do you think she's a racist?

Not neccesarily, but I also don't think she's think she's really considered they other half of why the Confederacy ultimately failed.

Like it or not, the world was quickly evolving due to a major shift towards industrialization. It wouldn't lived on it's own for long considering the fact that there governement and econony would've essentially started from scratch, as well as the fact that it's northern counterpart was far more advanced with nautical travel and trade. With time, they would've been able to produce their own agriculture goods (possibly at a much faster rate) and many other countries had many other options for trade.

Plus ya know...slavery is bad.

Edit: Saying it was just about "freedom" feels like a generic attempt to oversimplify and undermine the main arguments against the Confederacy to equating it about "personal choice."
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Makes me laugh at all the Democrats and SJWs that think the Confederate were racist Republican. No, the Republican was Abe Lincoln

The modern day republican and democratic parties stand for the same things and have the same ideologies as they have since "republican" and "democratic" were inceived, just like how the word "gay" has always meant homosexual, words like "sick" and "ill" have always been inherently positive descriptors and "hot" has only ever been used to refer to attractiveness. If things could change, we'd have all kinds of wacky shit going on, like the MLB Giants and Dodgers moving from NYC to... I dunno, random places like San Francisco or LA... or even LITERALLY ENTIRE COUNTRIES changing! Imagine if there were 2 Sudans or if there was no Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia. Imagine Zaire just up and went "ya know wat? Our name's too short. Let's change it from 5 letters to 5 WHOLE WORDS!" Fucking... lol... if Abe Lincoln was actually a republican, I wouldn't want to be registered as anything but an Independent.
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Great Britain
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Dukes of Hazard.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

MLGSerperior111 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

Nothing. Its a historical left over that represents a group of people who hated America enough to go to war so they could leave it.

These days if I see you flying it I just assume youre a racist.

There are some black people that display the flag on their vehicles and homes. Would you call them racist?

I sure would.

Maybe you should consider the arguments that some of them have instead of just assuming that they're racists.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/30/why-some-black-defenders-of-the-

confederate-flag-believe-slavery-was-a-choice/?utm_term=.86eb80de7460

For many Americans, the Confederate battle flag is an unmistakable symbol of slavery and oppression.

But for Karen Cooper, a black woman who was born in New York but later settled in Virginia, the flag embodies something else entirely.

I actually think that it represents freedom, the ardent tea party supporter says in a video interview thats been making the rounds online. It represents a people who stood up to tyranny.

Im not advocating slavery or think that, you know, it was right, she says. It wasnt, and none of my friends think it was. It was just something that happened. It didnt just happen in the South, it happened worldwide.

Besides, she adds, slavery is a choice.

I say that because of what Patrick Henry said: Give me liberty or give me death. To me, if we had went back to that kind of slavery, no I couldnt do it. Give me death.

*had gone back

also, nope. Delusional edgelord/attention whore. She's the 6 year old girl who goes on Maury Povich on one of those "my kid is a terror and is abusive to me and I can't control him/her" episodes and talks all kinds of shit. "It's my body. I'll do what I want!" "Yeah I slap my mom! She's a bitch!" "I didn't get the XBox I wanted so I burned down the garage!" Then she gets told this drill sergeant dude is coming out to teach her some respect... "Whatever! Fuck him! He's nobody! If he gets in mah face, I'm gonna tell him to fuck off!" Then the drill sergeant guy comes out. Before he even gets the chance to yell at the kid or even get within 20 feet, she's trembling, bawling her eyes out, curled into a ball and has her face buried in her hands from terror.

Give you death? Bitch, you don't know what wanting death is...
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