Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 151: It is okay to be of any race or any color.

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MikeTavish, does your view on this change if Trump had posted with these 3 videos "I know the majority of Muslims are great people, but I find these videos offensive to me"?

Serious question.
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Corrik posted...

MikeTavish posted...

Corrik posted...

MikeTavish posted...

Corrik posted...

I would be more concerned if all the retweets were from different sources immensely.

Why, what difference would that make?

Not trying to be combative, Im genuinely curious what that would change about the tweets.

Because here is how I can see this harmlessly happening. Someone sends a video to Trump or links a video to him. He clicks on it and watches it. I'll assume the first he retweeted. It offends him so he retweets it. Then backs to their main profile and sees other videos which he watches and retweets the ones he finds offensive.

If they were all from different sources, I would suspect he actually had to of SEARCHED for strings of Muslim videos which is extremely worse in my mind. Stumbling across some videos from a source all in one place versus searching out material is kind of a big difference.

This is actually a decent argument for Randy McRanderson tweeting to his 25 followers. Its absolutely not even close to one for the President of the United States with 44 million twitter followers. I would hope hed take the ten seconds to take a look around the profile he was about to retweet...

There is a lot of things in the history of the United States that I would hope the President would have thought not to do or taken 10 seconds to do.

But, yeah, he should not have retweeted those even if he was just offended by them and there was no underlying meaning or not.

At least we can agree on that. Anyhow, this has been fun, but its night shift bedtime, which means Im outta here. Dont hate on each other too much guys.
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We've had a year of Trump now and Corrik still treats the US Presidency as some entry level job at McDonalds. Christ.

"he's new to this" wasn't an acceptable excuse a year ago and it's so much worse as time passes. What you are saying is that Donald Trump is too incompetent for the presidency.
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Corrik posted...

MikeTavish, does your view on this change if Trump had posted with these 3 videos "I know the majority of Muslims are great people, but I find these videos offensive to me"?

Serious question.

Absolutely. That would change the entire context of the videos from muslims suck to these muslims suck which is a huge distinction to be made.

But considering

A) Who he retweeted from
B) The past arguments of racism made against him (whether fair or not)
C) The content and titles of the videos
And D) The fact that hes never gone out of his way to point out bad things Christians (or any non-Muslims, really,) have done to Muslims.

Its hard for me to think hes got good intentions at heart.
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Corrik posted...

MikeTavish, does your view on this change if Trump had posted with these 3 videos "I know the majority of Muslims are great people, but I find these videos offensive to me"?

Serious question.

I know my view does somewhat. Theres still a talking point there but it at least does SOMETHING to express that the views of the original tweet are not his own.
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also I will never accept ff6name having a different username :(
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I think the fact that may have been his intention without having said so is why I refuse to brand him a racist for it and remain on a wait and see approach. Questionable and definitely gives you a reason to keep an eye out for something definitive. I, however, do not think this is expressly definitive. Poor judgment yet again on station, setting, timing which I think is personally never going to go away at any point, but not definitively a showing of racism.
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Corrik posted...

I think the fact that may have been his intention without having said so is why I refuse to brand him a racist for it and remain on a wait and see approach. Questionable and definitely gives you a reason to keep an eye out for something definitive. I, however, do not think this is expressly definitive. Poor judgment yet again on station, setting, timing which I think is personally never going to go away at any point, but not definitively a showing of racism.

I gotta tell ya, a racist will never come out with a neon sign stating I hate all muslims (or a metaphorical equivalent of that). In most cases you need to use multiple smaller things that hint at it, get them all, and connect them all together to find the answer to the is he/she racist puzzle.

Like my grandmother in law, shes never outright said I hate non-white people, but Ive gotten enough puzzle pieces to tell you definitively, she does not like em.

I guess some people need a larger amount of puzzle pieces to finish the puzzle, especially when they admire/respect someone. To be honest thats fair I suppose.

Damn you guys I need to sleep stop being interesting.
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Gmun posted...

also I will never accept ff6name having a different username :(

Sorry, but the name my 14 year old self found cool isnt so cool anymore.

Also, FF6 is now my second favourite game of all time, and I didnt want to change my name to Persona5man because you only get one username change and what if I like something more than Persona 5 later in life? My face would certainly be red.
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MikeTavish posted...

Corrik posted...

I think the fact that may have been his intention without having said so is why I refuse to brand him a racist for it and remain on a wait and see approach. Questionable and definitely gives you a reason to keep an eye out for something definitive. I, however, do not think this is expressly definitive. Poor judgment yet again on station, setting, timing which I think is personally never going to go away at any point, but not definitively a showing of racism.

I gotta tell ya, a racist will never come out with a neon sign stating I hate all muslims (or a metaphorical equivalent of that). In most cases you need to use multiple smaller things that hint at it, get them all, and connect them all together to find the answer to the is he/she racist puzzle.

Like my grandmother in law, shes never outright said I hate non-white people, but Ive gotten enough puzzle pieces to tell you definitively, she does not like em.

I guess some people need a larger amount of puzzle pieces to finish the puzzle, especially when they admire/respect someone. To be honest thats fair I suppose.

Damn you guys I need to sleep stop being interesting.

I will err on the side of not judging someone wrongly in that type of capacity. I have heard enough people call me racist on this website to have seen the fallacy of jumping to conclusions.

I am not jumping to call someone a rapist, sex offender, murderer, racist, or etc. without a large preponderance of evidence or a conviction in which I felt was fairly achieved.
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lol trump

"now, i LOVE the muslims, but... *frantically searches for anti-muslim videos and retweets them*"
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Corrik posted...

MikeTavish posted...

Corrik posted...

I think the fact that may have been his intention without having said so is why I refuse to brand him a racist for it and remain on a wait and see approach. Questionable and definitely gives you a reason to keep an eye out for something definitive. I, however, do not think this is expressly definitive. Poor judgment yet again on station, setting, timing which I think is personally never going to go away at any point, but not definitively a showing of racism.

I gotta tell ya, a racist will never come out with a neon sign stating I hate all muslims (or a metaphorical equivalent of that). In most cases you need to use multiple smaller things that hint at it, get them all, and connect them all together to find the answer to the is he/she racist puzzle.

Like my grandmother in law, shes never outright said I hate non-white people, but Ive gotten enough puzzle pieces to tell you definitively, she does not like em.

I guess some people need a larger amount of puzzle pieces to finish the puzzle, especially when they admire/respect someone. To be honest thats fair I suppose.

Damn you guys I need to sleep stop being interesting.

I will err on the side of not judging someone wrongly in that type of capacity. I have heard enough people call me racist on this website to have seen the fallacy of jumping to conclusions.

I am not jumping to call someone a rapist, sex offender, murderer, racist, or etc. without a large preponderance of evidence or a conviction in which I felt was fairly achieved.

Thats totally fair. More puzzle pieces.
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Wait.......

You can CHANGE YOUR FUCKING USERNAME?!
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I totally need to stop discussing politics with you all so much. Just saw a Comcast ad and it says " It's time to upgrade your entertainment" and I read it as "It's time to upgrade your entitlement". Lolol.
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Trump is now calling out multiple news related workers to be looked into.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Wait.......

You can CHANGE YOUR FUCKING USERNAME?!

you can if you have an account that's at least 10 years old, yes.
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ff6man will always be a cool name

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Wait.......

You can CHANGE YOUR FUCKING USERNAME?!

I used to be JaKyL25
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yeah. there are millions of shitty people in the world, and thousands upon thousands of shitty things that people do every day

there are hundreds of problems with our country

the telling thing- when i look at other people, at least- is which of those problems feel important enough to a person to bubble up into the front of their mind

are they getting mad about child abuse? hunger and starvation? homelessness? racism? economic inequality? government bribes? domestic violence? health issues? police brutality? modern isolation? video game reviews being corrupted by bribes? freedom to shout hate speech? violence in general? violence caused by people of a specific religion or culture? people protesting police? rape? pc culture?

they can all be serious problems. but how does a person choose which one(s) is/are The Most Relevant to themselves, or the most important, or the most worth devoting yourself to and caring about?

thinking in this way kind of broke me from my previous mold. it's just weird what specifically seems to be the most important to people- what they tie to their identity.

why is someone's posture during the national anthem a more important issue than police brutality to many people? it's a matter of identity. people don't identify with the recipients of said brutality, but they do identify with football, or the flag, or the status quo, or being white, or whatever

why do some people only seem to care, post or tweet about violence committed by muslims, but not about the las vegas shooting, committed by a white person? it's not as if either of those things is okay.

it's because they identify as gun owners, or not-muslims, or white people, or whatever. it's not overtly racist in the way that we grew up learning about, but it's taking an automatic stance based on one's own identity, of which race can be and is a significant part.

so a knee-jerk reflex pops out- must defend my identity, because no one else will! i sorta care about these other issues, but i really care about this one! i'd totally be fair about everything else, i just didn't care enough to wake up.
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Going on record on having no defense for retweeting the anti-Muslim video btw.

Random aside: How do Twitter retweets work exactly. If you retweet a retweet does it show as from the original tweeter, or is there a retweet trail? I'm just wondering who Trump is even following that he'd be seeing that tweet to retweet it.
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Lopen posted...

Going on record on having no defense for retweeting the anti-Muslim video btw.

Random aside: How do Twitter retweets work exactly. If you retweet a retweet does it show as from the original tweeter, or is there a retweet trail? I'm just wondering who Trump is even following that he'd be seeing that tweet to retweet it.

No trail.
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Although if you were like super committed to figuring it out, you can see all 45 people he follows and check out their timelines one by one and see who else retweeted it.
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It'd be a somewhat interesting thing to look into if you really wanted to determine if this was more of Trump being an idiot (blindly retweeting something from someone he trusted that very loosely supports a message he'd been trying to drive home without actually looking at it) or hateful.

I don't think that's interesting enough to waste time on so it won't be me.
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LOL the second person on his list of people he follows is Vince McMahon
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Hey Corrik. Just wanted to respond to something in your last topic right quick.

Disappointed in your view. The flag symbolizes America and the troops who served and died to protect said country. Blatantly going against how to respect something is disrespect. I am sorry you do not agree on this as it seems to be a very simple idea of respect to me.

A good portion of America views it that way. If ignorance is the excuse, there has been over a year now to acknowledge this and change the way.

If someone decided to peacefully protest during your loved one's funeral, maybe you would understand moreso the idea of time and place that does not create pain to others.

The entire point of doing that during the anthem was there from the start and was iterated by the person who started it. That they do not support our country due to whatever reason. However, the very beginning is the issue. By doing it, you are not supporting our country. Which signals that the whole point is to disrespect the country from the very onset. It is not an irrational view that it disrespects the country. It was stated from the onset, and the means was to create a shock value which was going to get publicity due to the disrespectful nature of it.

There are better settings for such protest. Just as there was a better setting for Trump's quip. It is sad people do not respect people more to take that into account before doing what they do, especially in prolonged and continuing acts.

Okay see now I agree with you that the people who served and died to protect this country should be respected. Absolutely no argument from me on that front. But the flag? To me the flag, and this may rub quite a few people the wrong way, the flag is just a flag. A piece of fabric. And people speak of "disrespect" for not standing for the anthem... but don't people "disrespect the flag" in other ways?

A lot of people have flag theme clothes.... which you aren't supposed to do. We have flag theme paper plates and napkins at memorial parties... which we aren't supposed to do. Use the flag for advertising, which we aren't supposed to do. Why are these forms of disrespect tolerated? Why is it okay for someone to disrespect the flag for profit, yet actual people expressing their grievances via protest get all the heat?

A "good portion" of America may view something one way, but that doesn't necessary make it true. After all, there were many things a "good portion" of people believe, that was wrong.

Now yes, protesting during funerals is generally considered a dick move. The difference is people who "protest" during those times tend to have rather negative motives behind them(Think Westboro Baptist Church) Additionally funerals are about actual people.

One could argue that people being more concerned about an animate object, rather than the actual people said object flies under, is part of the problem that's being protested in the first place. People want to be patriotic, but they don't actually care to do what's best for the country. They say "respect the troops" while many of the troops end up without a home, or without steady work.

There are better settings for protest? Nah. If the protest makes you uncomfortable, good. It's not supposed to be convenient. It's supposed to send a message. If you don't like it, well the protester doesn't like it either. That's why they're protesting.

Personally I've grown tired of all the "patriots" in our country that don't actually care about the country, or its people.
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I am sad that you lament patriotism shown in our country. We are a country built by Patriots.
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Speaking of wrestling, I am reminded that the woman who tweeted those videos that Trump retweeted also once tweeted this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPzbIkLW4AAMYE7?format=jpg&name=medium
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Corrik posted...

I am sad that you lament patriotism shown in our country. We are a country built by Patriots.

Is it not patriotic to protest what you see as a failure of the nation to live up to the ideals its flag claims to represent?
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(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

That is interesting.

Not gonna agree with that but that is interesting.
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Corrik posted...

I am sad that you lament patriotism shown in our country. We are a country built by Patriots.

what the hell no we aren't, our founding fathers literally rebelled against their country to create america?
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I dont think its very patriotic to use the men and women of our military, many of whom fought and died protecting our nation, as a political prop to claim a false moral high ground over liberals.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

I am sad that you lament patriotism shown in our country. We are a country built by Patriots.

Is it not patriotic to protest what you see as a failure of the nation to live up to the ideals its flag claims to represent?

It sure is when not done in a way that debases and disrespects your country.
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Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

I am sad that you lament patriotism shown in our country. We are a country built by Patriots.

what the hell no we aren't, our founding fathers literally rebelled against their country to create america?

Founding fathers I do not think are considered UK Patriots oddly enough and were not rebelling against the United States of America.
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Corrik posted...

We are a country built by Patriots.

this doesn't even make any fucking sense

doubly so when you also stan for the damn confederacy
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

I am sad that you lament patriotism shown in our country. We are a country built by Patriots.

Is it not patriotic to protest what you see as a failure of the nation to live up to the ideals its flag claims to represent?

It sure is when not done in a way that debases and disrespects your country.

Then in my opinion you care more about the rights of the country as a nebulous concept than you do of the rights of the people the country is actually comprised of
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I don't really like patriotism at all tbh.

Anything that smells like collectivism gets a long hard look of suspicion.
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Corrik posted...

I am sad that you lament patriotism shown in our country. We are a country built by Patriots.

I don't lament patriotism.

I lament what patriotism has become. I lament the people who think it means WE'RE THE BEST THAT ALWAYS WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE! The people who refuse to look at the flaws our country has, and work to improving it. In the past a patriot wanted what was best for the country. Now? "patriots" want everyone to think their country is the best. These false patriots, I feel, will be the actual death of this country. Not ISIS, not China, not Russia. But our own ego.

But yes, our very country exists because of protest. Which is funny because now people are trying to say protesting is bad....
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pjbasis posted...

I don't really like patriotism at all tbh.

Anything that smells like collectivism gets a long hard look of suspicion.

Especially when you get people treating the Anthem as holy prayer
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CelesMyUserName posted...

doubly so when you also stan for the damn confederacy

Wait wait wait..

Corrik, are you seriously pro-confederacy?
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Hes pro-respecting-the-confederacy
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Corrik posted...

Founding fathers I do not think are considered UK Patriots oddly enough and were not rebelling against the United States of America.

yeah that's what I said, they weren't patriots when they built this country

so unless you think america was a net negative for the world, clearly some good can come from a lack of patriotism, yeah?
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I think this is a bit facetious. The founding fathers probably felt the UK was distinctly different than America.
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Dark Young Link posted...

CelesMyUserName posted...

doubly so when you also stan for the damn confederacy

Wait wait wait..

Corrik, are you seriously pro-confederacy?

Look who you are quoting.
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Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

Founding fathers I do not think are considered UK Patriots oddly enough and were not rebelling against the United States of America.

yeah that's what I said, they weren't patriots when they built this country

so unless you think america was a net negative for the world, clearly some good can come from a lack of patriotism, yeah?

They were Patriots. American Patriots. And UK traitors and rebels.
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pjbasis posted...

I think this is a bit facetious. The founding fathers probably felt the UK was distinctly different than America.

of course they did but that's not the point. do you think corrik would respect my patriotism if I was patriotic for california as an independent country while wanting to rebel against the US?
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Kenri posted...

pjbasis posted...

I think this is a bit facetious. The founding fathers probably felt the UK was distinctly different than America.

of course they did but that's not the point. do you think corrik would respect my patriotism if I was patriotic for california as an independent country while wanting to rebel against the US?

I would think you are a California Patriot and an American traitor and rebel. Yes.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Hes pro-respecting-the-confederacy

Lol, I don't see why he would.

They're just a bunch of traitors who were too weak to win a war. Why respect the epitome of failure? Granted there's another rather obvious reason why I have no love for the confederacy...
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yeah "pro-confederacy" should be the wrong wording (at least I hope to god), but Corrik constantly defends their worship as heroes even though they're the definition of traitors to the country who literally did not want to BE the united states of america

Kenri posted...

Corrik posted...

Founding fathers I do not think are considered UK Patriots oddly enough and were not rebelling against the United States of America.

yeah that's what I said, they weren't patriots when they built this country

so unless you think america was a net negative for the world, clearly some good can come from a lack of patriotism, yeah?

I mean I wouldn't really call genocide of native peoples to be very patriotic either, in regards to America that is
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Corrik posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

CelesMyUserName posted...

doubly so when you also stan for the damn confederacy

Wait wait wait..

Corrik, are you seriously pro-confederacy?

Look who you are quoting.

Oh is Celes a shitposter? It's been a while since I've posted here, and I admit I don't really pay attention to everything.

But if you deny it, then I'll take your word for it. I don't like accusing people without proof.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

I mean I wouldn't really call genocide of native peoples to be very patriotic either

Pretty sure Corrik believes the inalienable human rights America stands for somehow should only be applied to Americans. Could be wrong
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