Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 151: It is okay to be of any race or any color.

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An Okay to be White speaker (who I have heard is actually peddling a quite racist message though I have yet to verify) was arrested at a speech at UConn University. The UConn students wouldn't let him speak (supposedly due to the hateful nature of his speech) and basically rioted due to being offended and broke windows and vandalized the setting.

The speaker was arrested for trying to forcibly grab what appears to be his speaking notes that a student came to the podium and took off of him.

In other news:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/29/detective-disciplined-over-because-youre-white-remark-to-teen.html

Officer caught on camera saying a person was being arrested for being "white". It clearly looks like the cop was clearly frustrated and probably just boiled over and said something just to piss the detainees off, but it is probably going to cost that cop his job, especially in this political climate.
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except Inuit
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http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/29/nbc-announces-today-show-co-host-matt-lauer-fired-due-to-inappropriate-sexual-behavior-at-work.html

Another one bites the dust...
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Lol...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/935844881825763328?s=17
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i'm glad it took trump no time at all to make this scandal about himself.
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I mean I guess I wanted a guy who speaks from the heart but how he chooses to do it is so distasteful.
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pjbasis posted...

I mean I guess I wanted a guy who speaks from the heart but how he chooses to do it is so distasteful.

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Nothing that profound, I don't really like presidents calling out people to be fired all the time or taking things so personally.
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pjbasis posted...

Nothing that profound, I don't really like presidents calling out people to be fired all the time or taking things so personally.

He is cracking a joke, PJ. You are supposed to laugh. Not think he is taking it personally... Lol.
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Ehhhh re-reading it the Andy Lack part at the end may have been going too far with it. Fair enough.
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Hmmm I'm not an expert on the guy, I probably pay less attention to him than most people, but I can usually spot a good Trump joke
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pjbasis posted...

Hmmm I'm not an expert on the guy, I probably pay less attention to him than most people, but I can usually spot a good Trump joke

Most of what he says is quips and humor.

I mean, you have to understand the person above who said Trump is taking it personally is also the one of the guys who thought Trump was not making a joke when saying The Apprentice should have won the Emmy and was robbed during the debate. Or that he wasn't joking when talking to the kids of the media at the Xmas event.
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Corrik posted...

Anti-immigration, anti-terrorism for the 2 I said.

The people in the videos are not singled out as terrorists, or as foreigners. They are singled out as Muslim.
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Corrik posted...

Most of what he says is quips and humor.

maybe he should be a stand-up comedian instead of president of the united states.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Anti-immigration, anti-terrorism for the 2 I said.

The people in the videos are not singled out as terrorists, or as foreigners. They are singled out as Muslim.

Yeah I was going to say, nothing anywhere talks about them being foreign or terrorists. (Other than the title of one video saying migrant) Only that all the people doing these horrible things in the videos are Muslims. :-/
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All three videos are about Muslims though right?

Showing three different attacks by Muslims for three different reasons sends a broader message to me. Now we have three different reasons to not like Muslims.

And even with the best of intentions it's at least irresponsible that people wouldn't make that "connection."
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My thoughts are unique I swear
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Like, if I posted a string of videos about cops shooting or beating unarmed black people, its pretty clear what my message would be.
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Even if he has the best of intentions (which I still cant figure out what those would be) in posting those videos, its still a very irresponsible thing for the president of the United States to be doing.

Like I said in the other topic, you can find videos of nearly any race or religion attacking and/or harassing any other race or religion. Why post just those ones if not to make the religion of Islam look bad?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Anti-immigration, anti-terrorism for the 2 I said.

The people in the videos are not singled out as terrorists, or as foreigners. They are singled out as Muslim.

He retweeted it. He can't change how the initial publisher labeled it. That said, the video that troubles me is the Virgin Mary one. As by correlation, it makes them all look anti-muslim is nature. The other 2 alone are crimes on platforms he campaigned against. The Virgin Mary one however... Yeah...
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Corrik posted...

He retweeted it. He can't change how the initial publisher labeled it. That said, the video that troubles me is the Virgin Mary one. As by correlation, it makes them all look anti-muslim is nature.

You say that as though its accidental
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Anti-immigration, anti-terrorism for the 2 I said.

The people in the videos are not singled out as terrorists, or as foreigners. They are singled out as Muslim.

He retweeted it. He can't change how the initial publisher labeled it. That said, the video that troubles me is the Virgin Mary one. As by correlation, it makes them all look anti-muslim is nature. The other 2 alone are crimes on platforms he campaigned against. The Virgin Mary one however... Yeah...

I dont use twitter often, but can you not add your own message to the retweet? Something like I may not agree with the published label, but this shows why immigration is bad etc etc? If so, I feel like that states he has no problem with the initial labels.
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MikeTavish posted...

I dont use twitter, but can you not add your own message to the retweet?

You absolutely can
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

He retweeted it. He can't change how the initial publisher labeled it. That said, the video that troubles me is the Virgin Mary one. As by correlation, it makes them all look anti-muslim is nature.

You say that as though its accidental

Not really.

I could see how this came about as a normal person. But, as the President of the United States he should have known how that would look and that the Virgin Mary video while maybe offensive to him really isn't a crime against humanity like the other 2 are... Which allows the easy bridge to formulate that racism was the reason behind his tweets.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

He retweeted it. He can't change how the initial publisher labeled it. That said, the video that troubles me is the Virgin Mary one. As by correlation, it makes them all look anti-muslim is nature.

You say that as though its accidental

I don't think this is a point I'd want to push. It's good to have someone like corrik's perspective as honest as possible without making it seem like you're trying to convert him at every moment to your point of view.
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ESPN layoffs are today supposedly. Approximately 150 people will lose their jobs today.
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pjbasis posted...

I don't think this is a point I'd want to push. It's good to have someone like corrik's perspective as honest as possible without making it seem like you're trying to convert him at every moment to your point of view.

Well, your thoughts are unique, as you said
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Heh
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I would be more concerned if all the retweets were from different sources immensely.
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Im not trying to attack anyone who supports trump as president, I hope he does make things great for all you guys living down below me.

But things like those tweets make me question how anyone with morals can support him as a person.
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Corrik posted...

But, as the President of the United States he should have known how that would look

I feel like this is something you can say about most things he does
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

But, as the President of the United States he should have known how that would look

I feel like this is something you can say about most things he does

Obviously. But he ran as an outsider also who never held political office. So, I can't in good faith say this is entirely astonishing either.
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Corrik posted...

I would be more concerned if all the retweets were from different sources immensely.

I think the fact that theyre coming from a member of a well-known hate group (that she identifies in her bio) is cause enough for concern
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MikeTavish posted...

Im not trying to attack anyone who supports trump as president, I hope he does make things great for all you guys living down below me.

But things like those tweets make me question how anyone with morals can support him as a person.

I think a lot of what you hear is overblown greatly.

He didn't retweet a video of someone ranting about how all Muslims should die or that surmised that another race was an inferior set of human beings.

I mean, he clearly just retweeted things he found offensive in his opinion. All the videos could cause reasonable offense to a person.

Saying you cannot morally support him is a huge leap. You can justify not supporting him morally if you wish to. Sure. That doesn't mean that justification is entirely accurate though.
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Corrik posted...

I would be more concerned if all the retweets were from different sources immensely.

Why, what difference would that make?

Not trying to be combative, Im genuinely curious what that would change about the tweets.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

I would be more concerned if all the retweets were from different sources immensely.

I think the fact that theyre coming from a member of a well-known hate group (that she identifies in her bio) is cause enough for concern

I do not know who the person is. Do you think that Donald Trump read the person's bio personally?
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MikeTavish posted...

Corrik posted...

I would be more concerned if all the retweets were from different sources immensely.

Why, what difference would that make?

Not trying to be combative, Im genuinely curious what that would change about the tweets.

Because here is how I can see this harmlessly happening. Someone sends a video to Trump or links a video to him. He clicks on it and watches it. I'll assume the first he retweeted. It offends him so he retweets it. Then backs to their main profile and sees other videos which he watches and retweets the ones he finds offensive.

If they were all from different sources, I would suspect he actually had to of SEARCHED for strings of Muslim videos which is extremely worse in my mind. Stumbling across some videos from a source all in one place versus searching out material is kind of a big difference.
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Considering it's been confirmed multiple times that Trump's tweets are official statements from the President of the United States, he either is grossly incompetent and didn't do his due diligence or he did check and was purposefully trying to promote hate.

I'm not sure which is worse.
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

I would be more concerned if all the retweets were from different sources immensely.

I think the fact that theyre coming from a member of a well-known hate group (that she identifies in her bio) is cause enough for concern

I do not know who the person is. Do you think that Donald Trump read the person's bio personally?

If he found three videos she posted, he was obviously on her profile. Its right there.

He has had many issues in the past of people calling him out for re-tweeting otherwise innocuous messages from people with hate-filled profiles. Its a lesson he should have learned by now.
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Yeah this is a really bad look

Even Piers Morgan is condemning him this time
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XIII_rocks posted...

Yeah this is a really bad look

Even Piers Morgan is condemning him this time

Even Paul Joseph Watson says its a bad look to re-tweet this group!
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Corrik posted...

MikeTavish posted...

Im not trying to attack anyone who supports trump as president, I hope he does make things great for all you guys living down below me.

But things like those tweets make me question how anyone with morals can support him as a person.

I think a lot of what you hear is overblown greatly.

He didn't retweet a video of someone ranting about how all Muslims should die or that surmised that another race was an inferior set of human beings.

I mean, he clearly just retweeted things he found offensive in his opinion. All the videos could cause reasonable offense to a person.

Saying you cannot morally support him is a huge leap. You can justify not supporting him morally if you wish to. Sure. That doesn't mean that justification is entirely accurate though.

I feel like the fact that he looked at the twitter page of the leader of a hate group, watched videos on that page, and consciously decided yep these are videos everyone needs to see, Ill share them! is incredibly concerning.

Again, you can find those types of videos from any side of the playing field, why is he sharing any of those ones in particular if not to put across the message of Islam is bad? Can you say, after seeing those tweets, that Trump has nothing against muslims? Or at best, that hes not trying to appease his fans that dislike muslims?

If you can, youre great at fooling yourself. Because Im trying hard to see it some other way, and I cant fool myself into ignoring that much logic.
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Also the woman he retweeted has since been proudly posting article after article about how Donald Trump shared her anti-Muslim videos
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Wait a sec... is THE BAN still going through the courts?

Because I feel like this could be used as evidence against Trump if it is lmao.
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Corrik posted...

MikeTavish posted...

Corrik posted...

I would be more concerned if all the retweets were from different sources immensely.

Why, what difference would that make?

Not trying to be combative, Im genuinely curious what that would change about the tweets.

Because here is how I can see this harmlessly happening. Someone sends a video to Trump or links a video to him. He clicks on it and watches it. I'll assume the first he retweeted. It offends him so he retweets it. Then backs to their main profile and sees other videos which he watches and retweets the ones he finds offensive.

If they were all from different sources, I would suspect he actually had to of SEARCHED for strings of Muslim videos which is extremely worse in my mind. Stumbling across some videos from a source all in one place versus searching out material is kind of a big difference.

This is actually a decent argument for Randy McRanderson tweeting to his 25 followers. Its absolutely not even close to one for the President of the United States with 44 million twitter followers. I would hope hed take the ten seconds to take a look around the profile he was about to retweet...
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also the woman he retweeted has since been proudly posting article after article about how Donald Trump shared her anti-Muslim videos

Yeah that lady is a walking dumpster fire of a person...
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I thought the Supreme Court already decided that he could do a watered-down version of the 90-day ban (still forcing him to allow close family members and people with valid visas). Which, honestly, seems Constitutionally valid, even if I question his motives.

I assume it then happened. I dont know though.
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MikeTavish posted...

Corrik posted...

MikeTavish posted...

Im not trying to attack anyone who supports trump as president, I hope he does make things great for all you guys living down below me.

But things like those tweets make me question how anyone with morals can support him as a person.

I think a lot of what you hear is overblown greatly.

He didn't retweet a video of someone ranting about how all Muslims should die or that surmised that another race was an inferior set of human beings.

I mean, he clearly just retweeted things he found offensive in his opinion. All the videos could cause reasonable offense to a person.

Saying you cannot morally support him is a huge leap. You can justify not supporting him morally if you wish to. Sure. That doesn't mean that justification is entirely accurate though.

I feel like the fact that he looked at the twitter page of the leader of a hate group, watched videos on that page, and consciously decided yep these are videos everyone needs to see, Ill share them! is incredibly concerning.

Again, you can find those types of videos from any side of the playing field, why is he sharing any of those ones in particular if not to put across the message of Islam is bad? Can you say, after seeing those tweets, that Trump has nothing against muslims? Or at best, that hes not trying to appease his fans that dislike muslims?

If you can, youre great at fooling yourself. Because Im trying hard to see it some other way, and I cant fool myself into ignoring that much logic.

I think he finds things some Muslims have done offensive yes.

I could extrapolate from there more but have no solid evidence of more than that.
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Corrik posted...

MikeTavish posted...

Corrik posted...

MikeTavish posted...

Im not trying to attack anyone who supports trump as president, I hope he does make things great for all you guys living down below me.

But things like those tweets make me question how anyone with morals can support him as a person.

I think a lot of what you hear is overblown greatly.

He didn't retweet a video of someone ranting about how all Muslims should die or that surmised that another race was an inferior set of human beings.

I mean, he clearly just retweeted things he found offensive in his opinion. All the videos could cause reasonable offense to a person.

Saying you cannot morally support him is a huge leap. You can justify not supporting him morally if you wish to. Sure. That doesn't mean that justification is entirely accurate though.

I feel like the fact that he looked at the twitter page of the leader of a hate group, watched videos on that page, and consciously decided yep these are videos everyone needs to see, Ill share them! is incredibly concerning.

Again, you can find those types of videos from any side of the playing field, why is he sharing any of those ones in particular if not to put across the message of Islam is bad? Can you say, after seeing those tweets, that Trump has nothing against muslims? Or at best, that hes not trying to appease his fans that dislike muslims?

If you can, youre great at fooling yourself. Because Im trying hard to see it some other way, and I cant fool myself into ignoring that much logic.

I think he finds things some Muslims have done offensive yes.

I could extrapolate from there more but have no solid evidence of more than that.

Welp congratulations, you have a skill.
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MikeTavish posted...

Corrik posted...

MikeTavish posted...

Corrik posted...

I would be more concerned if all the retweets were from different sources immensely.

Why, what difference would that make?

Not trying to be combative, Im genuinely curious what that would change about the tweets.

Because here is how I can see this harmlessly happening. Someone sends a video to Trump or links a video to him. He clicks on it and watches it. I'll assume the first he retweeted. It offends him so he retweets it. Then backs to their main profile and sees other videos which he watches and retweets the ones he finds offensive.

If they were all from different sources, I would suspect he actually had to of SEARCHED for strings of Muslim videos which is extremely worse in my mind. Stumbling across some videos from a source all in one place versus searching out material is kind of a big difference.

This is actually a decent argument for Randy McRanderson tweeting to his 25 followers. Its absolutely not even close to one for the President of the United States with 44 million twitter followers. I would hope hed take the ten seconds to take a look around the profile he was about to retweet...

There is a lot of things in the history of the United States that I would hope the President would have thought not to do or taken 10 seconds to do.

But, yeah, he should not have retweeted those even if he was just offended by them and there was no underlying meaning or not.
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