Current Events > Who is to blame for the DC Cinematic Universe mess?

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Zac Snyder for his crappy movies and creative decisions?

Whose idea was it to rush up to Batman vs Superman and Justice League? Was that Snyder too? Did they decide this crap before or after Man of Steel? The movie order is so out of wack. Batman vs Superman and Justice League were way too early.
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Warner bros are incompetent greedy fucks
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Geoff Johns i guess, but it seems Warner Bros is fucking up the creative process.
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geoff johns

It still blows my mind that they thought BvS being the second movie in the entire franchise was a good idea. Especially considering the stories they decided to base the concept on. It was so unearned. You can't just go straight up to those iconic moments without earning them. The impact just isn't there.
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We needed a solo Batman movie first.
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apolloooo posted...

Warner bros are incompetent greedy fucks

Yes.

Avengers wasn't rushed right after Captain America 2 or hulk 2. I can't even count how many movies had to take place before Avengers could be a thing, but at least it was a cap america movie, 2 hulk movies, 1 thor movie and 2 ironman movies. That is SIX MOVIES.

Having a justice league Jr (BvS) right after a single superman movie, and no Batman movie (Nolanverse doesn't count, different batman), no WW, no flash and no aquaman movie was a dumb, dumb move.

I guess technically WB for hiring Snyder. Shoulda kicked him to the curb after MoS, really should have kicked him to the curb after BvS.
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Darmik posted...

It still blows my mind that they thought BvS being the second movie in the entire franchise was a good idea. Especially considering the stories they decided to base the concept on. It was so unearned. You can't just go straight up to those iconic moments without earning them. The impact just isn't there.

BvS wasn't even a good idea anyway. We all know they can't kill each other, they have to become buddies so JL can happen and their powers are WAY off (imagine a Black Widow vs Thor movie LOL).

DC executives.

They are the ones doing the hiring. They are the ones handing down the directives. They are the ones that insist on copying the parts of the Marvel universe that didn't work, and abandoning the ones that did.

Warner Bros. If they just let the filmmakers make the movies in peace we wouldn't get rushed scripts, cut scenes and short times.
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How would you guys order the movie?

If they wanted to for the same sorta plot set-up I'd probably go;
- Man of Steel
- The Batman (established Batman in a post Superman world. Not an origin story).
- Wonder Woman
- Man of Steel 2 (I'd probably outright call this one Superman)
- Batman vs Superman *movie spoilers* Still kill off Superman)
- The Batman 2
- Aquaman
- Suicide Squad
- Justice League
- The Flash (I'm fine with how Justice League brought him in)

and go from there.

They really should have done more with *BvS Spoilers* a world that has lost Superman. This could have been the door to open a few heroes like Aquaman and Green Lantern.
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I'm not convinced that any attempt to mimic the money-making-machine that is the MCU could have been handled differently. It just takes too much patience on the part of the studio.
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lilORANG posted...

I guess technically WB for hiring Snyder. Shoulda kicked him to the curb after MoS, really should have kicked him to the curb after BvS.

Honestly I don't think kicking him out after MoS would of changed much. DC would still likely try to jump right into Justice League instead of building the world, which drastically hurts the quality.
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WB is to blame. They try to change too much and they were never confident in the people they hired. They let their fear run their operations after the reviews from MoS.

Zack Snyder planned to do MoS2, but then they wanted to bring Batman in because he seemed to be the only one making them money. So then that's why BvS happened instead of MoS.

Tmaster148 posted...

lilORANG posted...

I guess technically WB for hiring Snyder. Shoulda kicked him to the curb after MoS, really should have kicked him to the curb after BvS.

Honestly I don't think kicking him out after MoS would of changed much. DC would still likely try to jump right into Justice League instead of building the world, which drastically hurts the quality.

Honestly, as much as I dislike Snyder, even the non-Snyder films have WB's grubby fingerprints all over them. People like to put one face as a focal point for the films collective failure, but IIRC, there are multiple directors and these directors are being incredibly monitored on what they are doing.

Reading about Dwayne McDuffie's experiences at DC, I tend to think that it's DC holding the reigns on all these bad decisions.

I would have liked

Man of Steel
The Batman (introducing Joker and Harley)
Wonder Woman
The Trinity (basically BvS. Superman can die here.)
Aquaman
Justice League

Flash
Cyborg
Man of Steel 2 (featuring supergirl and brainiac)
Shazam (with black adam and Superman)
Wonder Woman 2
Green Lantern
Justice League 2 (with the evil justice league aka lex and his goons)
Aquaman 2
The Batman 2

And from that they can just introduce more and more heroes. No need for an overarching story like the mcu.
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LightningAce11 posted...

I would have liked

Man of Steel
The Batman (introducing Joker and Harley)
Wonder Woman
The Trinity (basically BvS. Superman can die here.)
Aquaman
Justice League

Flash
Cyborg
Man of Steel 2 (featuring supergirl and brainiac)
Shazam (with black adam and Superman)
Wonder Woman 2
Green Lantern
Justice League 2 (with the evil justice league aka lex and his goons)
Aquaman 2
The Batman 2

And from that they can just introduce more and more heroes. No need for an overarching story like the mcu.

What about suicide squad?
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Returning_CEmen posted...

LightningAce11 posted...

I would have liked

Man of Steel
The Batman (introducing Joker and Harley)
Wonder Woman
The Trinity (basically BvS. Superman can die here.)
Aquaman
Justice League

Flash
Cyborg
Man of Steel 2 (featuring supergirl and brainiac)
Shazam (with black adam and Superman)
Wonder Woman 2
Green Lantern
Justice League 2 (with the evil justice league aka lex and his goons)
Aquaman 2
The Batman 2

And from that they can just introduce more and more heroes. No need for an overarching story like the mcu.

What about suicide squad?

It probably could of just not been made. The premise didn't really make much sense and nothing really got accomplished by the squad.
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Whoever decided that Zack Snyder should be incharge of the DCEU when they knew or found out he was not a fan of the heroes to begin with. Snyders hate for Superman should have been the get this clown the fuck out of here boot to the ass out of power moment.
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Not that I watch superhero movies but I was really confused by Batman vs Superman since I didn't see anything about any Batman or Superman movies before that, so I didn't have any idea why Batman would want to be fighting against Superman.
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Offworlder1 posted...

Whoever decided that Zack Snyder should be incharge of the DCEU when they knew or found out he was not a fan of the heroes to begin with. Snyders hate for Superman should have been the get this clown the fuck out of here boot to the ass out of power moment.

they should have known since sucker punch

I blame WB
Snyder has his faults, but he's not 100% to blame for things. certainly WB being insecure as fuck and constantly changing shit at the last minute hasn't helped, as has been the 2 hr limit imposed by execs to maximize showings

honestly I feel like they should have just treated Green Lantern like how the MCU treated the Hulk film
keep the broad points in continuity, just ignore the bad parts. recast reynolds so he can go on to do deadpool too

make MoS the same. make Supes happier and received better by people. dial down on the destruction porn (but still have consequences to lead into Batman). then do a Batman film. have him be retired, coming out of it because of the alien attacks of GL and MoS making him very alert. I'd like a Superman cameo (not BvS) where he basically makes peace with him.
do Wonder Woman like it is, that filmwas good enough. end scene be her in the present day, deciding to introduce herself to Superman

basically you get the trinity together and Superman be the connector. I think you could easily pull off 4 superheroes in the Justice League having had origin films, with Flash and Aquaman perhaps having had cameos (a la Black Widow and Hawkeye in the MCU - perhaps Flash in Batman and Aquaman in Wonder Woman)
tbh i'd have the JL film be the Martians. act 1 is assembling it because of invasion. act 2 would give us a cool fight between Manhunter and the League (and let Bats be useful once he figures out the weakness). act 3 would be the 7 teaming up to save the day. end credit could easily be Injustice League or Darkseid

Flash and Aquaman movies afterwards (assuming they're popular), along with sequels to the rest
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Tmaster148 posted...

It probably could of just not been made. The premise didn't really make much sense and nothing really got accomplished by the squad.

The Suicide Squad is meant to be a bunch of villains forced by the Government to do shady black ops missions. If they get caught or killed the Government can just claim that they're doing villain shit and absolve themselves of any responsibility. They're not meant to be some stupid Superman replacement.

Hexenherz posted...

Not that I watch superhero movies but I was really confused by Batman vs Superman since I didn't see anything about any Batman or Superman movies before that, so I didn't have any idea why Batman would want to be fighting against Superman.

I remember it being brought up as a possibility around when Freddy vs Jason came out. It was a dream movie for some reason.
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WB, they suck at hiring talent
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Honestly, Snyder is a huge problem. They need to stop him from directing anything else.
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Darmik posted...

The Suicide Squad is meant to be a bunch of villains forced by the Government to do shady black ops missions. If they get caught or killed the Government can just claim that they're doing villain shit and absolve themselves of any responsibility. They're not meant to be some stupid Superman replacement.

I get that, though the movie itself referenced superman and what would they do if he superman turned evil.

It's just the entire problem suicide squad fought was created by creating the suicide squad. The mission they were sent to do in the movie was just meet up with the lady in charge.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Darmik posted...

The Suicide Squad is meant to be a bunch of villains forced by the Government to do shady black ops missions. If they get caught or killed the Government can just claim that they're doing villain shit and absolve themselves of any responsibility. They're not meant to be some stupid Superman replacement.

I get that, though the movie itself referenced superman and what would they do if he superman turned evil.

It's just the entire problem suicide squad fought was created by creating the suicide squad. The mission they were sent to do in the movie was just meet up with the lady in charge.

Yeah the movie was bad. Their mission was to escort their boss up some stairs.
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